NotXbox one
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you said it in a way like its not true/ important ,, anyway thanks for admitting its a valid point to use .
EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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you said it in a way like its not true/ important ,, anyway thanks for admitting its a valid point to use .
Based on this and other articles, it seems clear to me that the PS4 will have better graphics than Xbox One going into the next generation. And thats fine.
But it also seems clear that Xbox One will have better everything else than PS4. Specifically, better audio, better multiplayer, better gameplay, and an all-around better gaming experience.
It will have better audio thanks to a dedicated APU (audio processing unit), better multiplayer and gameplay thanks to cloud-based AI, and an all-around better gaming experience thanks to the software architecture and Kinect.
Sony can have the better graphics bragging rights. Im fine with having a better experience all-around, even if it means slightly inferior graphics.
But it also seems clear that Xbox One will have better everything else than PS4. Specifically, better audio, better multiplayer, better gameplay, and an all-around better gaming experience.
It will have better audio thanks to a dedicated APU (audio processing unit), better multiplayer and gameplay thanks to cloud-based AI, and an all-around better gaming experience thanks to the software architecture and Kinect.
Sony can have the better graphics bragging rights. Im fine with having a better experience all-around, even if it means slightly inferior graphics.
Mihos
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Stop acting as if you have to choose one or the other. Same game, same gameplay, one will look better than the other.
Neuromancer
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The article addresses the 180. Trust me I'm looking at it right now.
Future PhaZe
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this will get 10 quotes minimum
greatestjediever
Member
Still Krillin Power Level against Vegeta and Goku.
Based on the PS3 exclusives this gen, I don't think the 360 was the one that was being limited...
As for the whole castration discussion, I doubt developers will care too much if there is a noticeable difference in the two versions. After all, we witnessed that happening this gen with the 360 getting the superior ports in general, and we've been used to PCs getting superior versions of the game and the Wii getting the inferior versions.
I hope you don't honestly believe what you just wrote
Better gameplay? Explain that one there buddy? The cloud? I'm still curious how that is even going to work if always online isn't forced.
Does the game just switch to very easy mode if you aren't connected online?
Current gen proves otherwise. Games like GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, Bayonetta, Skyrim, RE5 etc. ran and looked much better on the 360. But the sales on both systems were nearly equal. People just dont care. Some enthusiasts like us maybe. The PS4 versions of the multiplats will be superior because the power is there but it wont kill any sales if a game looks not considerably better than the xbone version as this gen proves.
Audible Phonetics
Member
Cloud computing doesn't affect graphical fidelity.
If the baseline PS4 already outclasses a baseline XB1, that gap should/will remain, as more hardware/software exploits continue into the Gen.
Mihos
Gold Member
Are you kidding me? This is the absolute biggest load of crap I have read.... and I read a Fox News artical today....
Agree. 1080p to 900p is meaningless for mass market. It won't even be noticeable to most. The framerates are a bigger deal though.
Personally, I'm considering both consoles only for their exclusives...so power difference doesn't mean much. My pc is stronger than ps4 so I'll get the best multiplat titles there.
EmptySpace
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huh. pcs use hardware to make its games look better. if devs truly made the games shine on pc, then most multiplat pc games will utilize better animations and physics systems and ai given that even a 2gb vram card has almost 8 times more memory than ps3's rsx card.
stealthcobra's pc has had 8 gbs of ram and 4 gbs of vram for years now, yet stealthcobra is stuck with the same animations and systems that 512mb memory consoles have.
pcs brute-force their way to make the games look better after the recommended/minimum spec. that is not devs making pc games look better, that is better pc hardware making the games look and run better but the underlying middleware and engines are the same as the consoles.
Gears and Halo 4 would like a word with you.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Yeah, talking point. Like how ps4 fans go "GDDR5!".
And yet the best looking multiplats were those where the PS3 version couldn't keep up with the 360 one because those devs didn't give a damn about any parity politics. Hmmm...
I think those who are looking to base the entirety of their opinion regarding the two consoles power difference based on launch titles are doing so only because it benefits one particular narrative, that is, to make the Xbox One appear closer in power comparative to the PS4. I think those with some common sense realise launch games are a very poor barometer to judge either consoles power, especially with multi platform games which will have had even less time and familiarity with the consoles than the first party stuff (as is already pretty clear to see).
Just to remind you guys about what launch vs later cycle was like on other consoles...
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PS2 launch games.
PS2 later cycle games.
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360 launch games
360 later cycle games
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PS3 launch games
PS3 later cycle games
Just to remind you guys about what launch vs later cycle was like on other consoles...
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PS2 launch games.
PS2 later cycle games.
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360 launch games
360 later cycle games
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PS3 launch games
PS3 later cycle games
how does it suddenly become significantly more powerful with optimization when out of the two devices its closer to the PC and needs less optimization. The Xbox with all its custom gubbins sounds like it has far more to gain from specific platform optimizations.
Hahah, what.
You're one of the most annoying members on this forum.
You were already burned by a mod on that Killzone Mercenary thread when you pulled that 60FPS bullshit out of your ass.
Do GAF a favor and stay out of consoles threads if you despise then so much dude.
Audible Phonetics
Member
I think those who are looking to base the entirety of their opinion regarding the two consoles power difference based on launch titles are doing so only because it benefits one particular narrative, that is, to make the Xbox One appear closer in power comparative to the PS4. I think those with some common sense realise launch games are a very poor barometer to judge either consoles power, especially with multi platform games which will have had even less time and familiarity with the consoles than the first party stuff (as is already pretty clear to see).
Just to remind you guys about what launch vs later cycle was like on other consoles...
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PS2 launch games.
PS2 later cycle games.
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360 launch games
360 later cycle games
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PS3 launch games
PS3 later cycle games
We won't see as drastic a difference mid to end Gen this time around as time passes. There is really only so much more graphically consoles can do. The difference won't be as drastic this time around.
The jump from this Gen to the following isn't as big as it was from pass gens.
Give them chance, it's 6.56am in Redmond.
Nervous Sausage
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Yep. Gears 3 and Halo 4 look just as good as anything on the PS3. Never mind the fact that Halo 4 has to account for some big maps, vehicles, 4 player split screen, forging and a built in theater recording.
We're already seeing big differences. Find me an open world game that looks anywhere close to Infamous Second Son, and do it without using PC screens. That game is coming out 3 months into the generation.
If there's a PC version with improved effects they could also up those a little bit on the PS4 version compared to XBO.
Canis lupus
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The jump from PS3 to PS4 is bigger than PS2 to PS3.
I think those who are looking to base the entirety of their opinion regarding the two consoles power difference based on launch titles are doing so only because it benefits one particular narrative, that is, to make the Xbox One appear closer in power comparative to the PS4. I think those with some common sense realise launch games are a very poor barometer to judge either consoles power, especially with multi platform games which will have had even less time and familiarity with the consoles than the first party stuff (as is already pretty clear to see).
Just to remind you guys about what launch vs later cycle was like on other consoles...
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PS2 launch games.
You know something, that's not a representative screenshot of RRV, it was damn good looking when it came out, and it's still not too shabby. Also, unflinching 60fps.
That wasn't a case of the 360 getting the superior ports due to the hardware on the PS3 being inferior, and thus the PS3 limiting the multplatform games on the 360, that was more to do with the horrible PS3 architecture. But I agree that it was evidence of devs not giving a damn about parity politics.
Callibretto
Member
I think those who are looking to base the entirety of their opinion regarding the two consoles power difference based on launch titles are doing so only because it benefits one particular narrative, that is, to make the Xbox One appear closer in power comparative to the PS4. I think those with some common sense realise launch games are a very poor barometer to judge either consoles power, especially with multi platform games which will have had even less time and familiarity with the consoles than the first party stuff (as is already pretty clear to see).
Just to remind you guys about what launch vs later cycle was like on other consoles...
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man God of War 3 still look fucking amazing
That short dev time could mean more time dedicated to the Xbone version to get it up-to-snuff. To use Edge's example, the PS4 version that's already at 1080p/30fps would probably be largely left alone while optimization efforts are focused on the Xbone version.
That's all in addition to everything explained in the article itself:
Riky
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Whatever people think about Halo 4 gameplay wise it is at the very top technically this console gen, no doubt.
Chobel
Member
LOL!!! Perfect.
I don't think PS4 versions of games will be gimped directly by devs, as some people are worrying. People are professional, they won't sabotage the title just to keep MS happy.
Rather, the "gimping" will be more indirect. I'm guessing for multiplatform games, that means whatever resolution, AA, framerate etc the developer can achieve on XB1 for a given game will likely be what they target for PS4. "Lets get the XB1 to this level, and we know the PS4 version will perform fine here".
I worry, that indirectly, the focus will be on getting the XB1 version of a game to a certain base performance metric, and less focus will go into taking advantage of what the PS4 could really do with it if it was the "lead" platform.
I don't know if I'm making sense. In short, no one is gonna sabotage their PS4 games out of fear of MS reprisal. I just think version of PS4 (multiplat) games will suffer, because the focus will be more about getting XB1 to a certain performance level, then just mimicking that on PS4.
Rather, the "gimping" will be more indirect. I'm guessing for multiplatform games, that means whatever resolution, AA, framerate etc the developer can achieve on XB1 for a given game will likely be what they target for PS4. "Lets get the XB1 to this level, and we know the PS4 version will perform fine here".
I worry, that indirectly, the focus will be on getting the XB1 version of a game to a certain base performance metric, and less focus will go into taking advantage of what the PS4 could really do with it if it was the "lead" platform.
I don't know if I'm making sense. In short, no one is gonna sabotage their PS4 games out of fear of MS reprisal. I just think version of PS4 (multiplat) games will suffer, because the focus will be more about getting XB1 to a certain performance level, then just mimicking that on PS4.
Your changing the debate from total consoles sold to "Market excitement" , it doesnt change my original statement that the most powerful consoles have never sold the best. That does not mean ps4 won't sell the most , i expect it probably will but not for the fact that it is the most powerful system.
PS4 and Xbone are releasing A YEAR LATE after WiiU, it's hardly relevant though. People buy consoles to play the games that are available on them, are you actually claiming otherwise?
Wii was the ultimate example of the power of key games rather than the power of the console itself.
That gran tourismo shot and kameo shot wasn't the best either but the larger point he was making was still sound IMO.
I'm not sure I understand your question? The PS4 is stronger to start with, and with optimization, that power should be fully exploited. Is this what you disagree with?
Perhaps you are saying that the Xbox One should benefit more from optimization given it's more convoluted structure, but I don't think I stated otherwise.
AranhaHunter
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All these articles about PS4 being much more powerful, but then I look at the UE4 shot that was supposedly running on PS4 dev kits and can't help but imagine the XBone is able to run something just like this, if not better. Considering how ubiquitous UE3 was, it stands to reason that UE4 will be just as popular among developers this generation.
BloodMoney
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Monocle
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This definitely isn't an original thought, but regarding the possibility of Microsoft pressuring developers to make multiplatform titles equal by dumbing down the PS4 versions, it'll be interesting to see if the potentially superior quality of PS4 exclusives will shift the tide in Sony's favor. If the PS4's power is really a significant cut above the XB1's, I'd think it would take just one killer app that clearly displays the PS4's technical prowess to trigger a backlash against forced multiplat parity.
Audible Phonetics
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End cycle games for ps3 look almost on Par with what is launching for ps4.
GT6, Last of Us as example.
How could it possible run better on a much weaker GPU and lower memory bandwidth?
Ingueferroque
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My fear.