somuchwater
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What do bandwidth caps have to do with anything? Always-on is simply like Steam - it'll check you're logged into your account, and then there'll be hardly any data moving through.
EDGE: What Microsofts always-on Xbox means for PlayStation 4
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What do bandwidth caps have to do with anything? Always-on is simply like Steam - it'll check you're logged into your account, and then there'll be hardly any data moving through.
Don#t be so sure about that. If consumers choose Sony so will the publishers. They have to make meny after all.
You got that right. They lit this fire, then came back to douse it with gasoline to make sure that it burns even hotter. At any rate, we shall see.
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It absolutely would.
googleplex
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What would be a huge win for Sony is day and date digital releases of all games at a $10.00 discount. I'd rather buy online at $49.99 then buying at Game stop for $59.99 and trading it in later.
DeaconKnowledge
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Slightly off topic, but this is the inevitable outcome of the "one console future".
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You're crazy. I think you vastly underestimate just how many people go back and sell their old games to shops. I don't know how it is in Europe, but in the US and Japan, any system that doesn't allow used games while the competition does is fucked.
Every game shop will warn people that they can't sell back their games if they buy for Xbox (or whichever system ends up doing it). This will make it a complete non-started in Japan. No chance. It will also hurt big-time in the US. Word of mouth will spread fast about the system being the anti-consumer console.
slightconfuse
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with the risisng cost of game dev, why would they ingore half the potental audience by not putting it on ps4.
CambriaRising
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Why?
They dont hate second hand sales to the point of leaving free money on the table, people are nuts to think otherwise.
i wonder if Microsoft (and maybe Sony) will get problems here in germany.
not allowing used game sales is against the law here and that's one of the reasons why Steam (Valve) is currently being sued by some germans.
since we get f'd in the a most of the time with censorship or other bullshit it would be a nice surprise if germany would be the only country where used game sales would still be possible (but i highly doubt it - but at least it will be taken to court)
not allowing used game sales is against the law here and that's one of the reasons why Steam (Valve) is currently being sued by some germans.
since we get f'd in the a most of the time with censorship or other bullshit it would be a nice surprise if germany would be the only country where used game sales would still be possible (but i highly doubt it - but at least it will be taken to court)
This, I think it will definitely be a deal breaker and MS will not want bad word of mouth.
For those saying it will stop Sony getting 3rd party titles, what if orbis' user base ends up being twice that of Durango's for example. Would third party devs ignore them?
It's definitely risky but interesting
We don't know if this is how it'll pan out. If people just don't buy Xbox in the first place, publishers won't be developing for it.
scar tissue
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EDGE seems to be pretty confident. If they're wrong in this, their credibility will take a huge hit.
Why would publishers be cool w/ reducing prices? If anything, you'd more likely see than on Xbox's system (I'm predicting we'll see neither)
Gamestop is losing relevance by day
They wouldnt.
I thought that a strong majority of multiplatform sales go to Xbox.
I edited it into my previous post. They'll still be selling new games (and probably more now), high margin accessories, and Live cards. Just because consoles have never traditionally sold for much profit, doesn't mean you still throw everything else out. They're not in a position to turn away money.
EDIT: Not saying they won't be pimping PS4, but you still sell these other items because it's better than the alternative of nothing.
Baconsammy
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I actually don't care what Microsoft's response would be to this. It's smart business if true. I'm more interested in what Gamestop's response to this is.
This is a publishers wet dream. They'll love it.
This is a publishers wet dream. They'll love it.
Fair enough, agree to disagree. We still don't know for sure what either of them are doing.
Unless Gamestop has really changed from my time there i'm serious about the DM's coming in and telling their employees to favor one console over the other. Telling parents they will be locked into all their game purchases will be huge. Console market is a much different beast then PC market and people need to start realizing this and stop the comparisons. College students and teens live off being able to trade in their games to recoup money to buy future games, they use gamefly. This is pretty huge and nothing to try and sweep under the rug.
Oppo
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I hardly think this is within the realm of possibility. You are saying they will pit what they think they lose in used games against what they are actually making on PlayStation platforms in the last few years, and decide to toss the latter in favour of the former?
The platform holders call the shots, not the publishers.
funkystudent
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When every major publisher is backing the xbox with exclusives of some form or another who will buy a ps4?
I think thats the plan if Sony doesn't step up.
I bet we dont hear jack shit about this on the 20th.
scar tissue
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Microsoft not coming out and denying this rumor is kinda worrying me. If this were blatantly false, why not come out and say so?
Pie and Beans
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Microsoft seems really quite bent on destroying any goodwill the company ever had. Windows 8 was a disaster, and everything I hear about Durango lately is just the same. Ballmer is taking everything into a fucking locked in death spiral and nobody has the power to stop him or the idiots he's allowed to assume top responsibilities.
Also from the way EDGE is harping on, it sounds like they must know the PS4 isn't following the "no secondhand games" route.
Also from the way EDGE is harping on, it sounds like they must know the PS4 isn't following the "no secondhand games" route.
Haint
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Logically, there is no way a single manufacturer would force a system like this without ENORMOUS incentive. It would effectively be suicide if both consoles still had third party parity on the level of PS360. Granted gamers are a spineless lot, but they're not going to buy a locked console over an unlocked console when they have the same games. Now if the locked console had secured exclusivity of most or all the major properties, they'd flock to it.
If this is true and Sony actually allows used games (I think the biggest probability is Sony doing exactly the same as MS...whatever that may be) it will be interesting to observe how this will affect publishers and developers relations with both of then.
Publishers and devs will be glad if hardware makers eliminate the used market while they don't take any of the blame right? I wonder if there will be compensations, exclusive deals, etc...
All those bad MS rumors must be hitting really hard on you going by these past threads...stay strong friend!
Publishers and devs will be glad if hardware makers eliminate the used market while they don't take any of the blame right? I wonder if there will be compensations, exclusive deals, etc...
I love how you spent all that money and you're ready to drop it all on a rumor I love this website.lol
All those bad MS rumors must be hitting really hard on you going by these past threads...stay strong friend!
EDGE must be begging to lose their credibility, if that is the case. They posted one article, then came right back to reinforce it with this one. Apparently this is (at least to them) pretty concrete.
CambriaRising
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They would still have to make games for it because the other one would sell worse.
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"But why should I have to buy more than one console? Everything would be better if it was just one console and everyone else was 3rd party!"
Puppet Shadow
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Maybe it comes down to what's the bigger slice of pie:
People that trade in games vs people that will buy the system where they can play games like GTA and Call of Duty first (or only) on.
Looking at how PC sales have taken off with things like Steam, Blizzard, Minecraft and other top sellers that have no used sales due to DRM... I think MS might win this one.
Not one console, but a standardization - sure. Steambox and Android OS (for handhelds) have the potential to lead the way into the open 'format' of videogames where companies just produce hardware which will enable a standardized OS/Games which can be played on it, like home video.
michaelius
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According to rumours multiplatforms will look better (or at least play at few fps more) on Orbis.
Jawmuncher
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Will be onboard for PS4 over Xbox if this is true. Really don't want to deal with a always on system and no second hand games.
Xbox would thus turn into a buy when it's dirt cheap on sale.
Xbox would thus turn into a buy when it's dirt cheap on sale.
sony: you can resell all your games on our console!
customer: what games? where's CoD, where's GTA, where's battlefield?
sony: riiiiiiiiiiiiidge racer!
you are talking like these are two established consoles with large bases. with so little else to distinguish them, publisher support will make or break sony; who have so far have been breaking their backs to ensure that they are making a console that third parties want to work with.
the risk of not factoring in some no used games solution is catastrophic, the undesirable no games GAF box which dreamcasts within 6 months. the risk of factoring it in is losing a little good will while achieving parity with your competitor.
Not if the other one can't even run the games they plan to make.
Not a majority no, a larger percent maybe worldwide but it isnt anywhere near a majority. And this would be a brand new slate clean, whos to say where things would go if all this turned out to be true.
googleplex
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Two reasons,
1. You discourage used game sales.
2. Publisher would sale their games without the game stop mark-ups.
You buy the Xbox 720 at Asda/Walmart/Best Buy/John Lewis/etc. In the end if this is true they could put machines in Gamestops/Game where you take your memory stick type in your activation code for game and downloads an unlock for you in the store...
But the fact usually in the past Edge has mentioned a "Developer source" or a "publisher source", these stories have just had a source which is as vague as you can get ...
I honestly couldn't care less about having to be always online (if implemented similarly to Steam) or the whole no used games thing. That said, I still foresee myself skipping Microsoft's console offerings next time around. Their pay to play online ecosystem doesn't not gel with me at all and their first and second party exclusives more often than do not fit my interests. The main use for my 360 has been playing superior ports of third party single player games. During the next generation I suspect the Microsoft console will lose that advantage on third party titles given the of the shelf hardware used by both manufacturers, which should make difficulty of development on par for both systems. Hence I'll probably be more than fine with a PC + PS4 and Wii U combo.
You're going to have only Nintendo games to play though...