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Ellen Page (Inception Juno, etc) is now Elliot Page.

Ailynn

Faith - Hope - Love
Im just curious, what internal hate are you talking about?


There's basically a weird type of civil war going on - The "Tucutes" verses the "Transcum":


- TUCUTE: A self-assigned term for a person who hasn't suffered from gender dysphoria, yet still calls themselves transgender anyway. They seem to think one's sense of gender is a fun choice they can change anytime at will. They simply believe that if someone says they are trans, they are trans- No medical diagnosis needed. They believe anyone who wants to take hormones to permanently change their body should have the right to do so. They also love to create brand new genders and pronouns that no one will ever take seriously. They make snap decisions on who is transphobic and ban them immediately, and they call people who believe that transsexualism is a medical condition Truscum.

- TRUSCUM: A term Tucutes apply to people who subscribe to transmedicalist ideology- That being transgender means that one has suffered at least some form of gender dysphoria and a sense of incongruence with their birth sex. Most people do not self-label as Truscum; rather they are quickly stamped as such and kicked out of certain online trans spaces such as within Tumblr or Reddit. They understand the reality that hormone replacement therapy is nothing to take lightly and dangerous to experiment with.



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It's all basically just silly and unnecessary. :lollipop_downcast_sweat:
 
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Alandring

Member
I notice I have HUGE problems using a new pronoun for a person that I associated for many years with a certain gender when referring to a past where this still held true. It just feels so artificial.
Yeah, I agree. Especially for Page, which is (was ?) for me "the very sexy girl in Super, Beyond Two Souls and X-Men."
 
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There's basically a weird type of civil war going on - The "Tucutes" verses the "Transcum":


- TUCUTE: A self-assigned term for a person who hasn't suffered from gender dysphoria, yet still calls themselves transgender anyway. They seem to think one's sense of gender is a fun choice they can change anytime at will. They simply believe that if someone says they are trans, they are trans- No medical diagnosis needed. They believe anyone who wants to take hormones to permanently change their body should have the right to do so. They also love to create brand new genders and pronouns that no one will ever take seriously. They make snap decisions on who is transphobic and ban them immediately, and they call people who believe that transsexualism is a medical condition Truscum.

- TRUSCUM: A term Tucutes apply to people who subscribe to transmedicalist ideology- That being transgender means that one has suffered at least some form of gender dysphoria and a sense of incongruence with their birth sex. Most people do not self-label as Truscum; rather they are quickly stamped as such and kicked out of certain online trans spaces such as within Tumblr or Reddit. They understand the reality that hormone replacement therapy is nothing to take lightly and dangerous to experiment with.



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It's all basically just silly and unnecessary. :lollipop_downcast_sweat:
Hmm this sounds like that YouTuber Blaire White. She puts more focus on the medical side. Now I understand why she says many people in the Trans community hate her yet she is trans herself and has advocated for trans rights from my limited knowledge of her. Thanks for the reply though. Wish you posted more on here.
 
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Ailynn

Faith - Hope - Love
Hmm this sounds like that YouTuber Blaire White. She puts more focus on the medical side. Now I understand why she says many people in the Trans community hate her yet she is trans herself and has advocated for trans rights from my limited knowledge of her. Thanks for the reply though. Wish you posted more on here.

That's exactly right! Blaire White, Rose of Dawn, Sophia Narwitz and many others are basically labeled as Truscum by those people...saying we are "true scum" I guess. We know the harsh reality of gender dysphoria, and would never wish it or the challenges of transition upon anyone. I actually consider my own condition a birth defect, so I'm sure they would hate me as well. :lollipop_pensive:
 
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That's exactly right! Blair White, Rose of Dawn, and many others like them and myself are basically labeled as Truscum by those people...saying we are "true scum" I guess. We know the harsh reality of gender dysphoria, and would never wish it or the challenges of transition upon anyone. I actually consider my own condition a birth defect, so I'm sure they would hate me as well. :lollipop_pensive:
Well we love you here at Gaf! Sorry that is going on in the trans community right now. I think part of it has to do with the all inclusive umbrella of LBGTQ+, you are bound to have all kind of mixing ideologies and opinions. Labeling you as scum is pretty disheartening to hear. Tbh I can see the merits of the two sides. One feels like they are gate keeping due to a medial diagnosis and one feels like people are just grifting into the movement for social points. The name calling and toxicity is pretty disgusting though and should not be tolerated. I would just try not to spend much time there online. I think a lot of people are being fed up with the 30+ invention of pronouns a day and constant accusations of (insert phobia here) is really turning people off in general, even in their own communities.
 
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UnNamed

Banned
It seems for some people the trans word have lost its meaning, transition but also transform or translate which implies a shift to one state to another.

So, if we can give any meaning to a word, they would have no problem to be labeled as faggot. Which for me it means person with an high wisdom. Because I said so, don't be nazi and respect my opinion.

So, welcome to all these new faggots!
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It seems for some people the trans word have lost its meaning, transition but also transform or translate which implies a shift to one state to another.

So, if we can give any meaning to a word, they would have no problem to be labeled as faggot. Which for me it means person with an high wisdom. Because I said so, don't be nazi and respect my opinion.

So, welcome to all these new faggots!
You high on wisdom, tho? 🤔
 

NeoIkaruGAF

Gold Member
interesting how she had to change her name to be more like a man even though "Ellen" was a man the whole time?

the changing the name thing, i don't understand. you say you are embracing your true sexuality because you can't change that. yet in order to embrace your true self that you were born with... you are inventing a new name?


If I had the power to wake up one morning and force everyone to call me a completely name, with an entire army of Twitter mobsters behind me, I'd go with something much cooler like Shalashaska or Serpico, not Elliot.
See, this is baffling to me as well. Why do so many trans people change their name to one that is very similar to - if not even the opposite-gender version of - their original name?

I’d expect people who undergo such a radical change of identity to want to distance themselves from their old identity as much as possible.

Also, I’ve seen the argument that names aren’t intrinsically gendered (though they definitely are in many languages), so... why even change your name? If you truly believe that gender is a social construct and names aren’t gendered, then by changing your name, aren’t you conforming to the dictates of a gendered society?

There’s too many hoops to jump through here to make all of this remotely rational to me and not fundamentally pathological, sorry.
 

Tschumi

Member
Not gonna lie that one took me by surprise. I guess it's a good thing I didn't quite get a 'hottie' vibe playing Beyond Two Souls... Seriously though, whatever, good for her and good luck to her. I hope she doesn't pay any attention to the few billion haters out there. To paraphrase John Cleese recently, I hope people treat her kindly.
 

borborygmus

Member
This is not a legitimate thing. Quote me on this in 15 years when everyone comes to their senses.

The reason it's "difficult to come out" is because it demands mass participation in an illusion and 24/7 maintenance of the lie and that's not easy to coordinate without coercion.

The way this is implemented is via compelled action. If they have their way, you must proactively go out of your way to affirm them, under threat of punishment.

The most that can be said is that Ellen Page claims to be a man. That she is one is not established.

Cue postmodernists with "What does legitimate mean, anyway?" Their strategy is to overburden their opponents with demands to prove already established things all over again. All of the left's arguments alternate between "it's settled science" and "what is [actually established thing] anyway?"
 
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Papacheeks

Banned
It seems for some people the trans word have lost its meaning, transition but also transform or translate which implies a shift to one state to another.

So, if we can give any meaning to a word, they would have no problem to be labeled as faggot. Which for me it means person with an high wisdom. Because I said so, don't be nazi and respect my opinion.

So, welcome to all these new faggots!

Seriously you should not use this word. It's as bad as saying the "N" word. Surprised mods didn't say anything.
 

Super Mario

Banned
I read that hate cimes in 2020 are supposedly up against trans people. A lot of activists blame it on Trump, but I've also heard researchers and even some trans people say the crazy stuff being pushed by the activists is actually backfiring and working against the trans community, because having people yelling at you for accidentally using a wrong pronoun and being called evil and awful is creating animosity by those who really didn't give a shit one way or the other about someone's sexuality.

I wouldn't be shocked if this is accurate. I really think 99% of people don't give a shit who you are, but when people are constantly berated and being talked down to and fired or called nasty things over innocuous comments it creates a culture of resentment where there didn't used to be any.

I think the activists are the worst thing to happen to the trans community. Many of them aren't even trans. I hope the trans community realizes these people are doing their community way more harm than good and start to distance themselves from these wackos.

It's all just typical of the left's propaganda. Similar to "we have to stop the hateful murdering of trans people". These articles are probably some of the most devoid of facts, period. A trans person could be killed in a dispute from selling drugs, and the media can't wait to insinuate that it's because of Trump.

It's quite sad actually. These people are mentally ill and are being used as pawns. As already said, being mentally ill doesn't make you any less of a person. I have many friends and family members that are. You don't treat them any differently. To use that illness as a political tool, is shameful.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It's all just typical of the left's propaganda. Similar to "we have to stop the hateful murdering of trans people". These articles are probably some of the most devoid of facts, period. A trans person could be killed in a dispute from selling drugs, and the media can't wait to insinuate that it's because of Trump.

It's quite sad actually. These people are mentally ill and are being used as pawns. As already said, being mentally ill doesn't make you any less of a person. I have many friends and family members that are. You don't treat them any differently. To use that illness as a political tool, is shameful.
There was some discussion about these killings in REEE thread in here and it was/is in mostly 3rd world countries, so technically true, but really not applicable to countries where people are screetching about that. People get killed for a lot of reasons and I don't think that transfobia* is sole reason why someone got killed. However ridicule and bullying, that I can see easily.

*anything with "fobia" and personal identity is such a strange name for dislike of that particular group. Or maybe I don't understand English properly.
 

GeorgPrime

Banned


She is literally a straight white male now and they will take away all her priviliges.

I mean there are even female out there that want all white male dead. So she turned from a woman to the worst of the worst.

Someone has to ask her in an interview "How does it feel to be a straight white male now, that is supposed to be the worst of society?"
 
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Papacheeks

Banned

How is this funny? I try not to say that word even when im playing video games. It slipped a couple times and some of my long time friends were kind of taken back since they have kids and dont like that kind of language.

Seriously we can have discourse on gender and all that but there is no need for that kind of language. Because all it does is make us look bad that we can't have thoughtful conversations about certain topics. So by all means please go ahead in your next post and use the "N" WORD. i DARE YOU.
 

HotPocket69

Banned
How is this funny? I try not to say that word even when im playing video games. It slipped a couple times and some of my long time friends were kind of taken back since they have kids and dont like that kind of language.

Seriously we can have discourse on gender and all that but there is no need for that kind of language. Because all it does is make us look bad that we can't have thoughtful conversations about certain topics. So by all means please go ahead in your next post and use the "N" WORD. i DARE YOU.

Christ kid, how old are you? 🤣

DO YA DOUBLE DOG DARE ME?
 
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Papacheeks

Banned
Christ kid, how old are you? 🤣

DO YA DOUBLE DOG DARE ME?

I'm old. And obviously mature discourse is lost on you. So to ignore you go.

Your response was pretty Knee jerk with using emoji's. So I doubt you would even use that kind of language. To me it's put up or shut up. So if your going to mock me saying that we should try not to use that kind of language to have discussion, then lead by your example if you have no issue with it.

I'm saying we can say shit, fuck ect. But things like "F", and full on "N" word are really something if we can, not try to use. Thats all im saying.
 
I'm old. And obviously mature discourse is lost on you. So to ignore you go.

Your response was pretty Knee jerk with using emoji's. So I doubt you would even use that kind of language. To me it's put up or shut up. So if your going to mock me saying that we should try not to use that kind of language to have discussion, then lead by your example if you have no issue with it.

I'm saying we can say shit, fuck ect. But things like "F", and full on "N" word are really something if we can, not try to use. Thats all im saying.
Ok, Karen
 

HotPocket69

Banned
I'm old. And obviously mature discourse is lost on you. So to ignore you go.

Your response was pretty Knee jerk with using emoji's. So I doubt you would even use that kind of language. To me it's put up or shut up. So if your going to mock me saying that we should try not to use that kind of language to have discussion, then lead by your example if you have no issue with it.

I'm saying we can say shit, fuck ect. But things like "F", and full on "N" word are really something if we can, not try to use. Thats all im saying.

I don’t believe in not being allowed to say something. Especially a word. Obviously context is everything.

If a friend of mine flakes on hanging out because he decides to go have a picnic with some chick he’s banging, then he’s getting called a faggot full stop. It doesn’t mean he sucks cock. He’s just being a faggot. And then we laugh about it over beers later.

True story, I used to jokingly call my mom a nigger growing up. Walk in from school in 10th grade: “What’s for dinner, nigger? Shit on a stick?” And she’d just give me a look like “Really?”

Havent said it lately I don’t believe. No reason to 🤔
 
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Papacheeks

Banned
I don’t believe in not being allowed to say something. Especially a word. Obviously context is everything.

If a friend of mine flakes on hanging out because he decides to go have a picnic with some chick he’s banging, then he’s getting called a faggot full stop. It doesn’t mean he sucks cock. He’s just being a faggot. And then we laugh about it over beers later.

True story, I used to jokingly call my mom a nigger growing up. Walk in from school in 10th grade: “What’s for dinner, nigger? Shit on a stick?” And she’d just give me a look like “Really?”

Havent said it lately I don’t believe. No reason to 🤔

Wow, I use to use that language in the same manner with some of my drinking buddies, then one of them literally came out of the closet and said that using that around him made him a little uneasy. So we refrained from using it as much.

We still use it once in a blue moon. But to use "N" word is kind of a big deal especially around my friends who are black. I use to joke too but it rubbed a couple of them the wrong way so I refrained.

In this context, though the person in question that used it was using it to it's desired effect. Because the person in question is gay regardless of the transition subject matter.

I'm saying language wise we can be better. I still swear on here like a sailor. But I'm not going to use that language even in a joking manner because like you said context is everything and on a message board it comes off different than if I was saying it to a couple of friends at a bar.
 

oagboghi2

Member
Not gonna lie that one took me by surprise. I guess it's a good thing I didn't quite get a 'hottie' vibe playing Beyond Two Souls... Seriously though, whatever, good for her and good luck to her. I hope she doesn't pay any attention to the few billion haters out there. To paraphrase John Cleese recently, I hope people treat her kindly.
Oh no what about the "haters". Poor Ellen. I hope she and her millions of dollars will be okay

I too worry about the billion or so people out there who still live in reality.

Wow, I use to use that language in the same manner with some of my drinking buddies, then one of them literally came out of the closet and said that using that around him made him a little uneasy. So we refrained from using it as much.



We still use it once in a blue moon. But to use "N" word is kind of a big deal especially around my friends who are black. I use to joke too but it rubbed a couple of them the wrong way so I refrained.



In this context, though the person in question that used it was using it to it's desired effect. Because the person in question is gay regardless of the transition subject matter.



I'm saying language wise we can be better. I still swear on here like a sailor. But I'm not going to use that language even in a joking manner because like you said context is everything and on a message board it comes off different than if I was saying it to a couple of friends at a bar.

Maybe he has no friends?
 
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Kimahri

Banned
True story, I used to jokingly call my mom a nigger growing up. Walk in from school in 10th grade: “What’s for dinner, nigger? Shit on a stick?” And she’d just give me a look like “Really?”

Havent said it lately I don’t believe. No reason to 🤔

That you find that worthy of sharing makes me suspicious you were in 10th grade fairly recently.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Yo... what happened here? Just regular aging or some work done? They used to look cute.

She looks almost mal-nourished. She is skin and bones in Umbrella academy. I feel she has anxiety stress issues which lead to this. I give it a couple years and through her close nit circle she will go back to Ellen.
 

LDS

Banned
Cool, glad he can feel comfortable and out. Lot of people on this thread repressing their own feelings for some reason lol
 
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