It ended up working that way for a lot of games I bought on Xbox one and nearly every game I've ever bought on steam and iOS. With Xbox one obviously that wasn't the case at launch and was a value add. But It's an expectation of digital purchases that is completely fair assuming the game hasn't been significantly reworked or enhanced. If they release splatoon and it's a completely new experience then cool.
Emily Rogers: Splatoon Switch is not a sequel, allegedly. Same for Mario Kart.
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It ended up working that way for a lot of games I bought on Xbox one and nearly every game I've ever bought on steam and iOS. With Xbox one obviously that wasn't the case at launch and was a value add. But It's an expectation of digital purchases that is completely fair assuming the game hasn't been significantly reworked or enhanced. If they release splatoon and it's a completely new experience then cool.
pinkurocket
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Please let Switch have motion controls for Splatoon.
Please let Switch have motion controls for Splatoon.
Please let Switch have motion controls for Splatoon.
Please let Switch have motion controls for Splatoon.
Please let Switch have motion controls for Splatoon.
Please let Switch have motion controls for Splatoon.
Please let Switch have motion controls for Splatoon.
We don't know what else will be available for launch and we don't even know that these ports will be available at launch. We don't even know whether Smash for Switch exists!
Let's all chill and wait a couple of months.
synce
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It's looking that way. I'm disappointed to see Nintendo go this route but not completely shocked considering they've been asking people to rebuy old games for a while at this point.
On that topic it wouldn't surprise if the console's library ends up being 95% ports, since I can't see most publishers developing original games for an underpowered console without any real gimmicks. You should see a bunch of PC ports on Switch, assuming the CPU isn't a bottleneck again.
TheLegendOfCap
Member
If they release Smash Bros as an "enhanced port" and added Ice Climbers, then proceeded to release a special edition bundle that included an Ice Climbers Amiibo..... oh boy
Did you expect that Nintendo has suddenly learned now to make games faster? They rehash as much as possible.
Crimson_Justice
Member
There's no way the Switch launch lineup is going to be just ports (even if they're updated with new content). There will be new games with it. Wait for the big blowout early 2017 before you worry.
...that is exactly what the point of a sequel is. You make something new that differentiates itself from the previous game. When Splatoon 2 inevitably gets announced, it's not going to be something that looks like it's using assets at the same fidelity of a Wii U game.
If they added a proper battle mode and mission mode that would justify a purchase all by itself.
I liked the look of Mario, we've really not seen much of anything but the first thing I though when I saw the Mario stuff was how much it reminded me of Sonic Lost World rather than a proper 3D Mario.
I'm always happy to see new Mario platform games, whatever the format but I would very much a full 3D game with more open levels.
MK and Splatoon look like they have some new elements, so the steam and iOS comparisons don't work. Nobody got Remasters for free after buying the original on a different system. I imagine these games will be released at a budget price, which I think would be fair.
This console is probably not that much more powerful than a WiiU. Sorry.
LoveCake
Member
I am not complaining about the ports as such, What I cannot understand is why everyone is hyped for these games on the N/S, yet when they were released on the WiiU nobody supported it.
One of the leaks stated that the Switch would have motion controls. Hopefully the Pro Controller has gyro in it, too.
If you're a Smash/MarioKart/Splatoon fan, wouldn't you be excited about new stages and characters? People went gaga over every DLC listing. What about playing these things on the go?
Which is why I said if they actually are proper remastered versions then cool. I'm still skeptical that the switch is a signifcant jump from the Wii U in terms of power.
I am. Never had a Wii U, so this is great for me. I hope there are way more ports incoming!
TheDinoman
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LoveCake
Member
Not enough to buy a new console for no, I don't have any real need to play games on the go (I think the N/S is too big for a handheld).
I just feel let down by Nintendo I suppose, getting a WiiU and 3DS at launch was a mistake, yes they did have some stellar games in the end, but I wish I had waited like everyone else did, and bordering on going OT I fear many will just wait before getting a N/S.
Dark Cloud
Member
Speaking of Bayonetta and Cloud can we talk about Smash Switch (that was hard to type lol) please?
What do you guys think they will do with Bayo, Cloud and Corrin? Obviously, they're saving them for Smash when it releases with Switch, but do you think they'll do a Smash bundle with one of the Amiibo?
Maybe a Smash + Amiibo + Pro Controller bundle?
What do you guys think they will do with Bayo, Cloud and Corrin? Obviously, they're saving them for Smash when it releases with Switch, but do you think they'll do a Smash bundle with one of the Amiibo?
Maybe a Smash + Amiibo + Pro Controller bundle?
We'll likely hear about the remaining Amiibos whenever the rumored Smash 4 port gets revealed.
The people hyped about Splatoon / MK8 either didn't play them on Wii U because Wii U was a questionable investment overall, or they played them on Wii U and love them enough for double dipping on an "enhanced version".
Honestly they did so well with MK8 in my mind that I'd be happy if they just repurposed a lot of the content (some visual enhancements), released a few new levels, and called it MK9. Doubt a lot of fans would be pleased tho.
OuterLimits
Member
Splatoon is such an amazing game that I'm hoping it gets an enhanced port to the Switch. More costumes, weapons, and Splatfests would be enough for me really.
I'm hoping Atlus continues to make games like Etrian Odyssey for the system. Oh and can't wait for the Switch Fire Emblem game that will likely happen down the road.
I'm hoping Atlus continues to make games like Etrian Odyssey for the system. Oh and can't wait for the Switch Fire Emblem game that will likely happen down the road.
Nintendo has a better portfolio of first party games than Sony does.
Yep. There, I said it. No qualificatons. No "in my opinion." Their output of Switch games will be better than Sony's first party PS4 games. when all is said and done.
PS4 could get away with a weak launch lineup because it was a powerful, market-leading new console that delivered a better price/performance ratio than its direct competition. Also, PlayStation has been a very strong brand worldwide since the success of the PS1, with a very loyal fanbase. Hell, the strength of the brand is the biggest reason why PS3 didn't tank, despite its convoluted hardware, high price, and its own weak launch lineup.
Despite being a strong brand, Nintendo has not delivered market-leading technology since the GameCube, and gamers know it. Nintendo consoles depend on their exclusive games for appeal. So naturally, their launch lineup matters more. I would argue that the launch lineup is one of the two biggest bullet points that will determine whether it's a success or not (the other one being the price).
Irrelevant. The PS4 is not a success because of Sony's first-party games. Those are just icing on the cake.
I've played A LOT of Mario Kart and I don't mind. Just freshen up the gameplay a bit (the two items are interesting), add new courses and new characters. I wish Nintendo would maybe just use MK8 and rebrand it into Nintendo Kart.
Nintendo Kart at launch with more characters like Link and Animal Crossing characters would be really nice.
And an eSports Battle Mode.
Just_myles
Member
Well, thing is if they do offer more things because of the new platform, won't the people who bought the originals on WiiU, at the very least, feel slighted? I kind of do.
Yea what a crappy launch lineup.... that we know nothing about at all.
This teaser video says nothing about the launch lineup.
GhostTrick
Banned
Crazy stupid if true. New entries should be released, not ports. Splatoon was May 2015 and MK8 was May 2014. They had plenty of time to developp new entries.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Well here's the thing that people needs to ask themselves. If those games didn't sell Wii U's, why are they going to sell Nintendo Switch? If it's truly software that sells the system, then how are rehashes of games that didn't sell Wii U's going to sell Switches to a mass audience?
I'll take the ports. I'm a Nintendo fan. Keywords here are Nintendo fan.
The people who are likely going to buy this day one blind are those who bought a Wii U - the Nintendo hardcore, so I'm suspecting they'll need to make these title appealing to those who will have to double dip.
Also at what point is a game an enhanced port rather than a sequel in an iterative series?
If Mario Kart Switch included 16 new cups while including 8's content is that a port or sequel? Likewise with Splatoon - new features while building on the foundation of the first.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
I think enhanced ports with all dlc and some extras is fine by me. MK8 is perfect as is and splatoon still has some mileage. More importantly a lot of people haven't had a chance to play these fantastic games and they should.
captmcblack
Member
I'm cool with the ports, as long as they're enhanced and maybe lower priced as launch fodder to fill gaps and let other NEW launch titles shine. It would also mean you can build hype for the sequels to those ported games to come out in 2018 and help carry the system.
...that said, there'd better be actual new launch titles, and they'd better not have those long release lulls.
...that said, there'd better be actual new launch titles, and they'd better not have those long release lulls.
SkeptiMism
Member
But that doesn't have anything to do with what the person said. It's not only about the first party.
GhostTrick
Banned
That'd be the same game with new content. I agree with your point and this is why I feel like some Nintendo IPs should evolve as game as a service. But that should begin off a fresh start.
Splatoon deserve a second game, with a full fledged campaign and totally revamped online architecture, with a 5 years plan of online content.
All those games did sell WiiUs.to a degree. Especially Mario Kart. Which had over a 50% attatch rate. Smash and splatoon also did really well.
Ultimately it was other issues that killed the WiiU. Not those games.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I think they'll do fine if the Switch concept resonates with people. They probably aren't going to sell systems on their own but they'll help pad the lineup early on.
This thing really needs a fully robust version of Mario Maker. Both Wii U and 3DS have hampered the sales potential of that game big time. Wii U due to its complete rejection by the market and 3DS because it's incapable of producing an acceptable version of the game.
I may be in the minority here but this is my take as a day 1 Wii-U lover.
I don't mind if Smash, Mario Kart, and Splatoon have so-called "enhanced ports". Those three games are excellent, well-crafted games. I love all three of them and play at least two of them on a weekly basis. If Nintendo brings these games over to the Switch day 1 or within the first six months, that would be a great start to the library. Obviously there would have to be some extra's like new characters/stages in Kart and Smash (maybe redo Battle Mode in Mario Kart too). Splatoon would need new features and maybe another campaign. Bring a slightly fresh addition to a great foundation and Nintendo would be off and running.
Personally, I would rather see Nintendo put minimal resources towards these ports and focus more on new experience (like older IP's or new IP's). I don't need a brand new Smash Bros game that will take three+ years to make and tie up resources that could be spent elsewhere.
I don't mind if Smash, Mario Kart, and Splatoon have so-called "enhanced ports". Those three games are excellent, well-crafted games. I love all three of them and play at least two of them on a weekly basis. If Nintendo brings these games over to the Switch day 1 or within the first six months, that would be a great start to the library. Obviously there would have to be some extra's like new characters/stages in Kart and Smash (maybe redo Battle Mode in Mario Kart too). Splatoon would need new features and maybe another campaign. Bring a slightly fresh addition to a great foundation and Nintendo would be off and running.
Personally, I would rather see Nintendo put minimal resources towards these ports and focus more on new experience (like older IP's or new IP's). I don't need a brand new Smash Bros game that will take three+ years to make and tie up resources that could be spent elsewhere.
Japanmanx3
Member
Let's get it. Need new Smash characters!
Klonoa pls!
Vaughngief
Member
Wouldn't be surprised if Mario Maker and Pokken (arcade version is still getting updates) got thrown into the launch window as well. Monolith Soft is probably working on the next Xenoblade game and Retro's next project will probably be one of the Switch's first flagship titles along with the new Mario.
Babymario26
Member
There goes all my money in march
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Nintendo cannot afford for their games to be selling their consoles 'to a degree' though. I think ports of them are good ways to get new people onboard, but I'm still unconvinced that this console appeals to anyone outside of the Nintendo core and if I'm right, then these ports will just be selling to the same crowd of people who bought them on Wii U.
I hope I'm wrong, but the reveal hasn't given me a whole lot of confidence in the Switch's mainstream appeal.
Yeah, I mean at the end of the day I don't think Mario and Zelda are big enough hooks for people jump on board Nintendo hardware en-mass anymore. The games will sell gangbusters if Nintendo can first get people to buy into the Switch vision, which is what they did with the Wii and failed to do with Wii U. Let's hope they have success in doing that this time.
A hefty amount of wii-u games ported. The worlds smallest midget should be thrilled.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
Well how many people will shit all over Nintendo for this when they are okay with remasters elsewhere?
Nintendo are in a hard place because they stick steadfast to their ip's, but those titles are often expected to innovate in some way - and sometimes in a worse way. I feel like Paper Mario is an example of Nintendo demanding innovation for innovations sake, when they probably could just remake the thousand year door and please old and new fans like.
MK8 basically perfected the kart racing formula, so I really don't want Nintendo feeling like they have to change things up by taking some regressive steps in the process. It's fair to say that all you can really do with MK at this point is have prettier graphics with more characters and maps, and that's basically what this would be.