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[zackmorris]

I'm glad they're enhanced ports because they look too similar to be sequels. I'd prefer sequels be made ground up on Switch.

What? Why would a sequel to splatoon look any different regardless of what console it's on.

It's not motion control or VR, all indications are that these games should play just like a traditional console games. Absolutely no need for games to be built from the ground up specifically for this device.

 

[phanphare]

True, but sucks for the hardcore audience that did jump on the Wii U.


Also I wonder what makes these versions enhanced? I'm still not sure the switch will be more powerful the Wii U. But only time will tell on that.

well for mario kart it looks like there will be new characters and they also added in the two item system. I'm also assuming there will be new tracks as well.

for splatoon there are now different hairstyles, new weapons, new gear, pants, gloves, and new maps.

so even if the graphics are the same there will be more content in both games

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Huh? Too big compared to a new Mario and enhanced Mario Kart?

You throw a new character into a trailer of Mario Kart and it's "oh, King Boo, that's cool"

You throw a new character into a trailer of Smash and it's a whole different situation.

The Smash community is partially insane and incredibly obsessive.

 

[Oersted]

People really thought they were full blown sequels? Wow.

Hoping for Smash Switch with a new character or two.

Makes sense to port over a good Racer, Shooter and Fighter.

She previously talked about a new IP.

 

[Morts]

Makes sense. A lot of people passed on the Wii U so these games will be new to them.

I hope they can get a Mario Maker port working, but I'd take an eventual sequel.

 

[MaximumSpider]

That's cool because now I can finally play it. Not buying another Wii U.

 

[zackmorris]

That's why Switch isn't exciting as a Wii U owner. I can play every game they showed. Or there is no reason I couldn't.

It's more of a sideways move for a Wii U owner unless you really want ultimate portability.

For the 3ds owner, it is a cool upgrade if it is indeed also Nintendo's next gen handheld.

They showed some sort of a new Mario that most likely won't be out on Wii U. Also this video was to show off the hardware, not the software. I'd bet in the first 2-3 years we will see a new entry in every major franchise. As a Wii U owner I agree that maybe initially there will be no reason to jump in but I'd say after a year there will be some titles worth owning.

 

[Nikana]

Reggie probably.

This made me chuckle. Reminds me of the Batman Wii u talk.

 

[Neoxon]

Pretty disappointing if the launch or launch window is padded out with re-releases.

I have no problem with it if there's lots of new games however.

In the case of Smash 4, its DLC was concluded a few months ago. So unless Sakurai managed to pull a Melee (which isn't likely given the realities of HD development), an entirely new Smash game this soon after Smash 4 was unlikely. As for Mario Kart 8, I'm honestly a bit disappointed since a decent amount of time has past to where they could have done a legit Mario Kart 9 (though if enough updates are given to the enhanced port of 8, I guess my disappointment would go down). And concerning Splatoon, one could argue either way, so I'm kinda caught in the middle about it being an enhanced port.

But from Nintendo, it makes sense to rescue these games from the Wii U.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

Not exactly a bad thing if you never had a Wii U.

And I think that's what rubs me the wrong way about this whole thing. Nintendo is basically thanking the customers that stuck with them through their toughest time by trying to sell them everything they've already bought.

 

[RPGam3r]

That's why Switch isn't exciting as a Wii U owner. I can play every game they showed. Or there is no reason the Wii U couldn't play those games.

The Switch is more of a sideways move for a Wii U owner unless you really want ultimate portability.

For the 3ds owner, it is a cool upgrade if it is indeed also Nintendo's next gen handheld.

Speak for yourself, I am a Wii U owner and am plenty excited for the Switch. That new Mario is not playable on Wii U, and Bethesda (probably Skyrim) title(s) also not on Wii U.

 

[zackmorris]

well for mario kart it looks like there will be new characters and they also added in the two item system. I'm also assuming there will be new tracks as well.

for splatoon there are now different hairstyles, new weapons, new gear, pants, gloves, and new maps.

so even if the graphics are the same there will be more content in both games

Ah ok. Enhanced as in added content, that's cool I wasn't even thinking about that.

 

[Mit-]

I'll buy Splatoon if they let me play local co-op online. No excuse now that there isn't a second screen gimmick.

 

[udivision]

As expected, really.

Those didn't look like sequels.

Still look cool though.

 

[RPGam3r]

You throw a new character into a trailer of Mario Kart and it's "oh, King Boo, that's cool"

You throw a new character into a trailer of Smash and it's a whole different situation.

The Smash community is partially insane and incredibly obsessive.

The Smash community is loud, they're not as big hence my question.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

I was confident about Mario Kart and Smash Bros. transitioning over to the [Nintendo Switch] since E3. It was just extremely logical. I also added Splatoon to that idea of thinking, but additionally I want to posit this.

Splatoon was very successful. However, it was successful under the restraints of an unsuccessful platform and very limited consumer base. Now, Nintendo wants this franchise to stand along their big multiplayer IPs (Smash, Mario Kart). The Nintendo Switch is an opportunity to go for even bigger numbers. Not only would it not make sense to let all the Splatoon content die on the Wii U, but the idea of introducing a title named Splatoon 2 for the first time to an audience, is a marketing disaster. It really makes sense to take those big 3 multiplayer IPs, and build on them, release them as strong updates early in the Nintendo Switch life cycle to a potentially BIG audience.

Meanwhile, the rest of Nintendo's R&D can actually focus on delivering a mix of BIG new entries, and original titles. But it doesn't make sense to let three of their biggest multiplayer games, vanish on the smallest user base ever.

 

[OrochiJR]

Can't wait to spend near full price on games that I bought last gen for full price.

I'm excited for new Nintendo hardware.

I'm not excited for new Nintendo hardware where half of the library are re-releases of what I played last generation.

And frankly I'm pretty disappointed in Nintendo even considering going this route.

I'm in the same boat. But let's see how much they polish up the games, maybe they add a substantial amount of content. I personally will also wait for the price point of these games before making a decision. I already bought all these games at release for the Wii U and if they are priced at 60 or 70€ (depending on what "full price" will be for Switch games) I will rather take my money to completely new games.

 

[zackmorris]

Speak for yourself, I am a Wii U owner and am plenty excited for the Switch. That new Mario is not playable on Wii U, and Bethesda (probably Skyrim) title(s) also not on Wii U.

I agree with the Mario point and I think Skyrim is a good sign for third party support. But let's be honest here, the number of potential switch buyers who have never owned a device capable of playing skyrim (PS3/360/PS4/xbo/PC) is probably insanely small.

 

[Off-Kilter]

Bought all three. Not sure if I want to double dip on all of them...

 

[daakusedo]

As expected, really.

Those didn't look like sequels.

Still look cool though.

Doubt is/was permitted with splatoon, but I found the graphical gap to be low to be a sequel.

 

[WrenchNinja]

And I think that's what rubs me the wrong way about this whole thing. Nintendo is basically thanking the customers that stuck with them through their toughest time by trying to sell them everything they've already bought.

This is the same company that made Gamecube owners wait nearly a month after Wii owners to get Twilight Princess

They don't give a shit about their diehard fans

 

[jmizzal]

Of course they wont have like 5-6 new games of their biggest IPs ready at launch - lets be honest BotW alone shits on the complete WiiU and 3DS launchlineups.

Getting established evergreens like Mario Kart and Splatoon early as possible in the plattform is the right decision - this system is supposed to replace WiiU asap.

No console has that, but for some reason Nintendo is always expected to have 6 new exclusive games at launch or its launch lineup sucks

 

[73V3N]

No way im buying this thing unless I get at least a discount for the games I already own

 

[balladofwindfishes]

The Smash community is loud, they're not as big hence my question.

Nintendo would often spend large chunks of their 2013-2015 directs for the sole purpose of announcing one character in Smash Bros. The same amount of time dedicated to entire new games. And this happened pretty much every Direct they had during this time. And people got hyped at the mere mention of possibly getting a tiny peak at a new character.

They're not going to just toss a Smash Bros enhanced port into a montage trailer. It'd cause a hassle for Sakurai, too.

 

[RPGam3r]

I agree with the Mario point and I think Skyrim is a good sign for third party support. But let's be honest here, the number of potential switch buyers who have never owned a device capable of playing skyrim (PS3/360/PS4/xbo/PC) is probably insanely small.

Sure but I can't carry around my 360, PC and soon to be PS4 versions. I don't think the market is limited to just first time Skyrim players.

 

[The Boat]

They'd be stupid not to remaster/whatever Wii U games.

 

[jmizzal]

If they won't let us transfer our old save data, then what's the fucking point since I would have to grind for everything again?

There was a rumor saying they were working on letting you keep your saves

 

[joecanada]

It's not for you, it's for the millions and millions and millions that skipped Wii u
Did I mention millions?


I owned all these games but I'd buy them again because I traded them in ages ago
Just fix the 2 map in splatoon online, never made it to ranked because I got tired of the same 2 map a day thing

first there has to be "millions and millions' of new people buy it then.

I guess this can end fanboy talk about Nintendo "ending the generation of remasters", its pretty apparent any company will jump at the chance to re-release games if it's there.

 

[DeuceGamer]

That's fine as long as they keep the content coming for those that owned Wii U versions. Either with updated content for the Wii U games that are ported, or new games that are released. Obviously Zelda BoTW is going to keep me plenty busy for a while.

 

[Shig]

Not surprising, but not a bad thing imo. Splatoon, Smash4, and MK8 were great games whose notoriety was severely hampered by the pathetic install base of the console they were on.

Besides, buffeting a console's launch lineup with enhanced ports of meaty, well-polished games that are proven successes ain't such a bad strategy, given Nintendo's history with anemic launch lineups and/or pretty barren post-launch windows. Far better to have Mario Kart 8 XL and Super Splatoon on shelves to ring in the new system than Pilotwings Resort and Steel Diver.

Also I always kind of scratch my head at peoples' insistence that multiplayer focused games constantly go back and start from scratch. From a day one standpoint, a Splatoon remaster that includes all the existing maps and a handful of new ones is kind of preferable to a new Splatoon that would start with a much slimmer selection of maps and then have to gradually work its way up to where Splatoon was, inevitably leaving out some of the first one's best maps along the way.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

I mean, it has new levels and customization options. And Mario Kart has new characters so probably new tracks too.

Anything new like that makes it a sequel in my eyes. Its essentially the same games with new DLC it sounds like but the DLC is exclusive to the new versions so it is kinda a sequel regardless. Same for Smash probably with new characters.

So yeah even if its ports with new built in DLC its essentially a sequel.

I wonder if this means Splatoon at launch especially when they can rollout new (and old) stuff again. I hope so! I'm guessing Smash atleast won't be too near launch despite earlier rumors since itwasn't shown at all.

 

[R.D.Blax]

If what I saw in that Splatoon clip is an enhanced port or remaster, then apparently I have no idea what a port is. The character models are different, animate differently, and the entire team introduction is new. The weapons may fall into prior classes but those models are different and new. The map is new, or at least has undergone significant changes on the level of Urchin Underpass' rebuild from the first game. Pants are added, which will change the entire way the current gear-ability system is balanced. The presence of new hairstyles may make other headgear more of an optional thing. No gamepad means no constant map, and means the super-jump mechanic will need to be significantly changed. That's not minor.

If this isn't being called a sequel, then OK, but it sure as hell isn't just a port, enhanced or otherwise. At the very least it appears to be a total rebuild of the original game's concept. Keep in mind how much the development team added to the game in the wake of its initial E3 reveal. A lot was added in less than a year and way more beyond that. The bulk of the team has already had a good amount of time to potentially work on this, and we don't even know whether it's actually a launch title. By next May or June...

This.

Even if Rogers says it's just a port, it sure doesn't look like one if look carefully. Customziable hairstyle change everything ! (More chance of playable Octoling thanks this !) And pants are game changer

 

[outunderthestars]

No way im buying this thing unless I get at least a discount for the games I already own

At least? What else would you expect? Do you want Nintendo to come over and mow your lawn to say thanks for buying games on their last generation of hardware?

Sony and MS have not given you discounts for buying last gen games. I think even a discount would be a generous gesture.

 

[Village]

If inhanced ports means more characters

TIME TO START UP THE SMASH HYPE THREAD AGAIN

 

[zackmorris]

Can't wait to spend near full price on games that I bought last gen for full price.

I'm assuming your being sarcastic and your not actually excited to re-buy games.

So don't buy them then? I don't see a reason to rebuy any Wii U game that's ported to the switch. If that's the majority (all?) of the games at launch then you don't need to buy it day one.

Don't act like anyone is forcing you to buy anything.

 

[trixx]

Okay so if i own a wii u and all these games sans Zelda, there's little point getting at launch especially since I rarely play those games anymore..

Unless they have some type of upgrade program

 

[PadWarrior]

So do previous Wii U owners of these games need to pay full price again?

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I thought it was pretty obvious that MK8 and Splatoon were ports of the Wii U games.

 

[M3d10n]

Nintendo is finally following up the latest industry trends. After all, the PS4 is still getting enhanced ports over three years after launch.

So do previous Wii U owners of these games need to pay full price again?

Well, PS3 owners of games that got enhanced ports on the PS4 often needed to pay full price again as well, unless said games were released at a reduced price.

Maybe these games will be $40~50.

 

[outunderthestars]

Okay so if i own a wii u and all these games sans Zelda, there's little point getting at launch especially since I rarely play those games anymore

Oh cool, I must have missed the launch lineup announcement.

 

[Triforce141]

There was a rumor saying they were working on letting you keep your saves

In that case, well.. at least I can keep the look of my most used loadout:

Though really, if Nintendo lets you carry over your save data, keeps the current gear / ability system, and have a new gear category in the form of pants, then that means heavy rebalance changes to said abilities would have to been done to ensure that Quick Respawn stacking wouldn't be so fast that the post death camera would be skipped.

 

[zackmorris]

Sure but I can't carry around my 360, PC and soon to be PS4 versions. I don't think the market is limited to just first time Skyrim players.

Yeah but his point and your reply was about there being no games that he couldn't play before. Being able to take a 5 year old game on the go doesn't make it new again.

 

[Nategc20]

These games will be new to a lot of people.

 

[entremet]

So do previous Wii U owners of these games need to pay full price again?

Do you think there will be an upgrade program?

I doubt it.

 

[RPGam3r]

So do previous Wii U owners of these games need to pay full price again?

Yes probably, do any examples of the opposite exist? This seems like an absurd request.

 

[Plinko]

They'd be stupid not to remaster/whatever Wii U games.

Yep. Way, way too many people missed out on Mario Kart8/Splatoon/et al.

 

[Chao]

This thing is going to have like 1 or 2 original launch titles and a dozen ports isn't it?

So like PS4 and Xbox one for the last three years?

 

[RadarScope1]

I dunno, I'm not disappointed in this news at all. Quite the opposite.

As a lapsed Nintendo gamer who was interested in the NX, I kept thinking that if I could get a somewhat traditional, dual-stick controller and ports of recent games that I am interested in - such as Mario Marker, Mario Kart and Splatoon ... well, then I'm VERY inclined to look at a purchase. I have no interested in getting a Wii U. I think the GamePad is a fucking monstrosity.

So, some enhanced ports, a few new games, maybe even a port or two of a 3DS game and it's looking really enticing for me personally. I can see how hard core Nintendo fans would be disappointed because they've already bought and played these games but that's not my perspective.

So like PS4 and Xbox one for the last three years?

Ha, exactly.

 

[Kaisos]

Can't wait to spend near full price on games that I bought last gen for full price.

Oh, you mean like people have been doing this gen already, with no value added other than 1080p and maybe free DLC a year later? That they have been happy to do? Why is this only a bad thing now that Nintendo is doing it, and making seemingly substantial changes to their games to boot?

I'm not 100% convinced that Splatoon Switch is an "enhanced" version of the original game. There's quite a bit of new stuff: ability to change hairstyle and pants, redesigned spawn points, new maps, new poses, etc. In addition to all of that, the gameplay will have to be adjusted somewhat substantially to accommodate the lack of a Gamepad.

The only reason people are buying the "enhanced port" stuff is because it's running on the same engine. Even with MK8, just being able to hold two items at once is a pretty significant change to gameplay.

Like, these aren't Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition, they're m much more an annualized multiplayer-focused title like the EA Sports games, CoD, etc.

And I think that's what rubs me the wrong way about this whole thing. Nintendo is basically thanking the customers that stuck with them through their toughest time by trying to sell them everything they've already bought.

I own nearly thirty WiiU games, most of which will never be released on this platform. I'm good, personally.

 

[udivision]

And I think that's what rubs me the wrong way about this whole thing. Nintendo is basically thanking the customers that stuck with them through their toughest time by trying to sell them everything they've already bought.

That's the problem with the Switch reveal. If own a Wii U, it wasn't particularly interesting software wise. They did well in every other way... but software is the only thing I care about.

Doubt is/was permitted with splatoon, but I found the graphical gap to be low to be a sequel.

I don't think Switch sequels will be defined by graphical leaps, to be honest.