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Enterprise Finally Cancelled
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Basically yeah, she was going to be androgynous until chrysalis. They were going to use he (being more generic than she) for her, and they were going to modulate her voice (like they did for the minbari in the changeling net in the pilot) to sound deeper.
I think they decided it just looked weird, rather than being something neat.
Earth: Final Conflict did it better anyways.
I think they decided it just looked weird, rather than being something neat.
Earth: Final Conflict did it better anyways.
DrForester
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God's Hand
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Is the new Battlestar Galactica good? I'm wondering if I should start watching. I'm fucking pissed off that Enterprise is cancelled. And will Battlestar be a long-running show or is it just 1 season? If it's 1 season, I won't bother.
SpoonyBard
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God's Hand said:
The new Galactica is excellent. If the quality keeps up it will easily be the best scifi series ever. The first season ends with a kind of a cliffhanger.
The second season seems to be pretty sure thing at this point:
http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=1709
ManaByte
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Saturnman said:
That's what makes it good. It isn't a super happy series where everything is all wrapped up and perfect in the last five minutes. At the end of each episode there's a conclusion, but life still sucks for them and they have to keep running to save what's left of the human race.
There are character scenes in Battlestar Galactica that are better than entire seasons of a Berman/Braga-run Trek.
Bingo! Prequels suck. If Star Wars Episode 1, etc haven't shown us this, what will? =P
I never watched a lot of the original Star Trek, but I watched a lot of Next Gen and Voyager. What made those so appealing to me were the wide variety of appealing characters and that the shows really made it feel like they were exploring the depths of space. Enterprise didn't interest me with that whole Xindi storyline because I already knew the Earth wouldn't be blown up since Picard was zipping about in the future. Also, Enterprise really didn't let the characters on the show grow. It seemed like the whole show was only about Archer, Tucker and Tupal.
God's Hand
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Just watched the Pilot episode of Battlestar Gallactica... wow! Great show. I hope the rest of it is as good.
JoshuaJSlone
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I must disagree with this in general. Can we think of prequels that suck? Easily. But they sucked for reasons other than that they were prequels.Vieo said:
Yeah, definitely seemed they were trying to create a slight shuffling of the original series' captain/southerner/Vulcan trio. Malcolm, Hoshi, and Travis were totally left to fight for the scraps.
ShadowRed said:
Now that would have been a cool idea... this currently storyline with Trance's sun... *gag*. Andromeda has full power they need to just get the hell outta there... of course what this really means is that Dylan isn't leaving until they somehow manage to bring the entire system back to the regular universe I'm imaging.
Oh well between Andromeda and Battlestar Galactica I'm pretty happy right now with my Friday sci fi fix. I keep thinking about wanting to get back in to SG-1 and maybe start watching Atlantis... but I haven't watched SG-1 in EONS... and the last commercial I saw the humans had spaceships... matter of fact the head guy of the complex was complaining that his ship had been stolen and he wanted it back... sounds like I'd not have a CLUE what was or has been going on...
Mega Man's Electric Sheep
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Season 7 of TNG has some of the worst Star Trek episodes ever. Need I remind you of the crew de-evolving, the ship giving birth, Picard finding the son he never knew he had-oh wait, it's a trick!, Worf's son travelling back in time to murder himself, Dr. Crusher falling in love with the ghost that was fucking her grandmother.....
Yes there were some great ones, like the finale, but overall season 7 is one of the most uneven seasons of TNG, and the worst other than season 1.
Yes there were some great ones, like the finale, but overall season 7 is one of the most uneven seasons of TNG, and the worst other than season 1.
Escape Goat
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Prospero said:
:lol
Ok I have to confess, I only watched like half of the Season 7
, and apparently I lucked out missing many of the bad episodes, cuz I don't remember any of these eps aside for crew deevolving one.I guess because the season started with a nice twoparter ending, and ended on such a high note, it made me completely forget I didn't even watch it all.
Not to mention that after that finale all the rest of trek never came close to measuring up again. Both DS9 and Voyager had pretty sucky endings too (although with DS9 I missed out on good 4 seasons in the middle so maybe that's why the ending left less of an impact).
Fafalada said:Ok I have to confess, I only watched like half of the Season 7
I guess because the season started with a nice twoparter ending, and ended on such a high note, it made me completely forget I didn't even watch it all.
Not to mention that after that finale all the rest of trek never came close to measuring up again. Both DS9 and Voyager had pretty sucky endings too (although with DS9 I missed out on good 4 seasons in the middle so maybe that's why the ending left less of an impact).
Voyager had the worst ending of the series and destroyed one of the best IMO Next Gen villians.
IMO Voyager destroyed that particular villain many many episodes before that.
But the series had a knack for ruining things, even the one cool villain species they introduced themselves (and it only took them a single season to do both :\ ).
But I agree the ending sucked - anything involving timetravel and Trek sucks 9 out of 10 times to begin with, and they made the whole thing so incredibly anticlimatic on top of it.
But the series had a knack for ruining things, even the one cool villain species they introduced themselves (and it only took them a single season to do both :\ ).
But I agree the ending sucked - anything involving timetravel and Trek sucks 9 out of 10 times to begin with, and they made the whole thing so incredibly anticlimatic on top of it.
Fafalada said:
Species 8742 had the potential to be the best kickass alien race ever.... destroying Borg cubes with one shot from their combined ships? Holy shit was that episode kick ass....
then they f'n went and humanized them... dumb...dumb...dumb.
How often was the Queen in Voyager? I don't remember too many of those eps very well....
DrForester
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I think the Borg Queen was in every single Borg episode of Voyager.
There were 2 actresses though, They seemed to alternate between one being same one from First Contact, one has been in several TNG and DS9 guest roles.
There were 2 actresses though, They seemed to alternate between one being same one from First Contact, one has been in several TNG and DS9 guest roles.
BlackClouds
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Sad to see Enterprise cancelled just when it was actually getting good. I feel sorry for Manny Coto, who has another good show cancelled while being worth watching (Odessey 5).
What really killed Enterprise was that boring and pointless, leading seemingly to nowhere pap in Season 2, which in a way, reminds me of Voyager season 3 where it was obvious the creators just did not get it. I stopped checking out Enterprise in Season 2, and did not come back until way into Season 3 (right before the Atzi Prime episode where the Enterprise gets torn the hell up in battle pretty viciously). Sure, it was DS9 light, but seriousness, focused storylines, better character development (though still not anywhere near the level it should have been if they didn't waste 2 years), and very intense action/adventure scenes won me back into the fold. I'm an easy guy to please, just don't make any bullshit episodes that are about nothing!
DS9 is my favorite Trek, and it's practically my favorite sci-fi. I'm one of the few that also loves Babylon 5, but I clearly like DS9 more (much less fantasy inspired bullshit being the main reason). Sisko is the fucking man. I reconize B5's greatness though, even if all the spinoffs, and tv movies don't live up to the series proper, giving away any hope of a new good movie, if one is ever made. Legend of the Rangers was laughably bad as this bitch grimaces real hard as she punches ships with plasma torpedoes or whatever the fuck they are called. As for Voyager, people seem to have bad memories, 7 of 9 improved the show somewhat, as Season 3 was very very horrible. Only, the writers didn't run with that momentum with 7 of 9, and totally lost it by Season 5, then they coasted to the finish like losers. I'm really surprised I actually seen most of these eps, most of them are not memorable. I won't be buying the dvd sets.
Ron Moore is showing that maybe he should've been in charge of Star Trek instead of Berman. I just can't get over how intellectually honest the Battlestar Galactica Miniseries was. Very powerful stuff (The Cylons brought the pain so quickly and viciously it really surprised me), and the regular series kicked off pretty well also. Some of these other shows being vouched for puzzles me though, I mean, Stargate? Andromada? Tried Stargate in its first season and it was just boring, and pointless, really below average. I keep hearing about it, trying some of the later season episodes, the main character changed, now he's cracking jokes instead of being a monotone mug face, and there's this whole non serious vibe going on. Not what I'm looking for. That other show doesn't even try to be about anything important, obviously aims to be low brow entertainment, and a show with a focus like that I am not going to bother with, unless it had extremely well done action scenes, which it does not.
These other sci fi shows sans Battlestar I cannot get into whatsoever, be it they are boring, silly (Farscape? Get that shit outta my face!) or outright suck. So I'm worst for wear. This has not been a good week.
All appearences of the Borg Queen on Voyager was played by another actress, except for the series finale where Alice Krige did the role.
What really killed Enterprise was that boring and pointless, leading seemingly to nowhere pap in Season 2, which in a way, reminds me of Voyager season 3 where it was obvious the creators just did not get it. I stopped checking out Enterprise in Season 2, and did not come back until way into Season 3 (right before the Atzi Prime episode where the Enterprise gets torn the hell up in battle pretty viciously). Sure, it was DS9 light, but seriousness, focused storylines, better character development (though still not anywhere near the level it should have been if they didn't waste 2 years), and very intense action/adventure scenes won me back into the fold. I'm an easy guy to please, just don't make any bullshit episodes that are about nothing!
DS9 is my favorite Trek, and it's practically my favorite sci-fi. I'm one of the few that also loves Babylon 5, but I clearly like DS9 more (much less fantasy inspired bullshit being the main reason). Sisko is the fucking man. I reconize B5's greatness though, even if all the spinoffs, and tv movies don't live up to the series proper, giving away any hope of a new good movie, if one is ever made. Legend of the Rangers was laughably bad as this bitch grimaces real hard as she punches ships with plasma torpedoes or whatever the fuck they are called. As for Voyager, people seem to have bad memories, 7 of 9 improved the show somewhat, as Season 3 was very very horrible. Only, the writers didn't run with that momentum with 7 of 9, and totally lost it by Season 5, then they coasted to the finish like losers. I'm really surprised I actually seen most of these eps, most of them are not memorable. I won't be buying the dvd sets.
Ron Moore is showing that maybe he should've been in charge of Star Trek instead of Berman. I just can't get over how intellectually honest the Battlestar Galactica Miniseries was. Very powerful stuff (The Cylons brought the pain so quickly and viciously it really surprised me), and the regular series kicked off pretty well also. Some of these other shows being vouched for puzzles me though, I mean, Stargate? Andromada? Tried Stargate in its first season and it was just boring, and pointless, really below average. I keep hearing about it, trying some of the later season episodes, the main character changed, now he's cracking jokes instead of being a monotone mug face, and there's this whole non serious vibe going on. Not what I'm looking for. That other show doesn't even try to be about anything important, obviously aims to be low brow entertainment, and a show with a focus like that I am not going to bother with, unless it had extremely well done action scenes, which it does not.
These other sci fi shows sans Battlestar I cannot get into whatsoever, be it they are boring, silly (Farscape? Get that shit outta my face!) or outright suck. So I'm worst for wear. This has not been a good week.
All appearences of the Borg Queen on Voyager was played by another actress, except for the series finale where Alice Krige did the role.
ManDudeChild
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BlackClouds said:
I was with you up until you said 7 of 9 IMPROVED the show. If anything, she was part of the pussification of The Borg. The annoying filler episodes and continuity errors that popped up because of that character make my head hurt. To cite just a couple examples.
-Claims that she gave people hope because she was the first person to ever be freed from the collective.
Well that's all well and good, but there was this little known character named Jean Luc Picard. Dunno if you've heard of this guy, but he was captain of some starship called Enter... something. Anyway, apparently The Borg captured him and used him in the Wolf 359 battle. Even if that was thrown completely out the window, there was that episode of Voyager where those three people from 7 of 9's unimatrix that arrived on Voyager. The ones that were lined together in that mini-collective. They were freed before 7 of 9.
-The use of the Hansons technology on The Borg cube.
Where the writers drunk while writing this episode? It was such a cliched way of adding more pseudo-depth to 7 of 9, by using her parents "amazing" technology. The problem arrives in the fact that the technology WORKED. The Borg would have assimilated that tech when her parents were assimilated, so nothing should have worked.
The character overally was clearly a way to go, "hey look nerds, she has boobies! WAAATTCCH." Course they forgot that even "nerds" don't like shemales... but that's a debate for another time.
I agreed with most of your post up to this pointBlackClouds said:
Given that I also really like Galactica (and don't like those other shows you mentioned not liking) I'm surprised that you could be so negative about Farscape, which is my second favourite sci-fi by a long shot (Galactica being first atm).The overall tone of the show is far from silly - and the character development is head and shoulders above almost anything else out there. The lowest point of the show is probably the first 10 episodes of Season 1, after that it's pretty much only going upwards until the end of series.
It's true that different episodes only take themselves as seriously as need be - but what satire that is there actually tends to be intelligent. Besides, there's some similar comedic elements in new Galactica all the same, and they don't hurt the overall theme of either show.
BlackClouds
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I don't knock people for liking a show, my opinions are just that, my opinions. I don't mind comedy, or even silliness if there's an undertone of seriousness, and meaningfulness. Farscape just wasn't for me.
As for 7 of 9 improving the show, well, the show was going down the tubes before she came on board, anything would've been an improvement. I think initially they had some good ideas in the opening Season 4 episodes but just dropped the ball. I didn't say it was a great improvement, but somehow kept me watching (not just the tits and that bubble ass in a tight leotard). As for the pussification of the Borg, I agree that sucks somewhat, BUT, I knew it had to happen, otherwise Voyager would've been toast for sure. Which ofcourse brings up another reason why Voyager wasn't good, it wasn't intellectually honest. The show really lacked believability in too many areas.
As for 7 of 9 improving the show, well, the show was going down the tubes before she came on board, anything would've been an improvement. I think initially they had some good ideas in the opening Season 4 episodes but just dropped the ball. I didn't say it was a great improvement, but somehow kept me watching (not just the tits and that bubble ass in a tight leotard). As for the pussification of the Borg, I agree that sucks somewhat, BUT, I knew it had to happen, otherwise Voyager would've been toast for sure. Which ofcourse brings up another reason why Voyager wasn't good, it wasn't intellectually honest. The show really lacked believability in too many areas.
Oh I wasn't trying to knock you either, was just wondering why you didn't like the show that's all
As for Voyager, I agree about lacking beliveability all too often - actually that other Federation ship that they run into in one episode looked a lot more like what one would expect Voyager to look like after some time in area so full of hostile species.
As for Voyager, I agree about lacking beliveability all too often - actually that other Federation ship that they run into in one episode looked a lot more like what one would expect Voyager to look like after some time in area so full of hostile species.
Shouta
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Picard wasn't integrated into the Collective for most of his adult life and the 3 people from 7 of 9's collective were disconnected with side effects and were to die not that long after they were disconnected from each other. So the concept of her being the first Borg to be freed from the collective isn't that inaccurate. She's the only one that's been with the collective for years, was freed without major side effects, and was starting to be reintegrated into a somewhat normal human social life. She was still insanely annoying in the later part of the series though.
Voyager did drop the ball but I don't think believeability was a big issue. It was, of course, the terrible writing. Lack of many hostile species and no real focus to the journey back to the Earth made it really hodgepodge in terms of content. The way Janeway and her crewed were written, they had very few enemies overall for the most of the series which is why they were able to keep that dumb ship intact.
Oh yeah, if there's one thing that was cool about the ending of Voyager it was the Borg Busting weapons and the fact they blew out of the Borg Sphere as they exited the tunnel much to the surprise of the Federation Fleet.
Shouta said:
Sure it looked cool... but what kind of f'n ending was that?
Next Gen gave us a nice card game that was something that was regularly done in the series... except Picard joined and commented that he should have joined a long time ago(if you read the book version Q is even there).
DS9 gave us resolutions with the various characters going their separate ways, Odo returning to his people, etc...
Voyager gave us a big explosion and then all the ships flying back to Earth... Great visual..... no meat.
Shouta
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At least with Voyager, most of the characters were already planning and hoping to return home throughout the series. You could get a big idea of what they wanted to do by watching their actions throughout the series. So in some regards, I liked that they didn't show what they did afterwards because I already knew what each of them wanted (at least I sort of remember now) and spoiling the moment of getting home with "what they did afterwards" would be a bit icky if you ask me. Both DS9 and TNG had come to a head without a real goal they all had planned for a long time and thus the endings they used were appropriate.
BigJonsson
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Enterprise finale needs to end with all the species meeting as the federation for the first time
Or a massive fight with the Klingons
Or a massive fight with the Klingons
That explains it then - you ruined your taste with crap SciFi so you can't recognize a good one when it comes alongCockles said:
I kid I kid
Oh come now that wasn't even remotely believable. They almost completely trash the ship countless times and it is all white&shiney and completely new looking the next episode - apparently federation tech equipped rent-a-shipyards just litter that quadrant they travel in.Shouta said:
And don't even get me started on the infinite shuttle supplies and supposedly limited torpedos that apparently self replicate themselves.
Shouta
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There's an issue of whether or not we're assuming anything. I'm assuming Voyager adapted as they journeyed through the Delta Quadrant and learned how to compensate for shortcomings they had at the beginning. You're assuming they didn't which makes it unbelieveable to ya =P. The ones I will give ya are the Shuttles and to an extent the ship repairs. We really never know how trashed the ship is in and out. We only know that it *looks* trashed throughout the series and we also don't know how much time is between episodes so you do have a point in that it seems unbelieveable that they could get their ship in working order, it's still plausible given enough time.
Then again, ST has always had a suspension of belief factor going on, I mean come on, the single Borg Cube trashed the Federation at Wolf 359 but the Enterprise D was able hold its own?
Phoenix
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BigJonsson said:
I say you do both....
Yeah, everyone is gathered together in a nice peaceful scene.
The camera turns to archer and Nip'ple bending over to sign the peace accords.
Then you see a Bat'Leth pierce through Archer's chest and hear explosions in the background. As Nip'ple turns to help Archer the camera faces the window where you can see Klingon troop transports landing in the distance.
Suddenly Riker and Diana appear wearing some gay ass future setup and pieces of the cieling fall on them, killing both and ensuring that the Titan AE show can't possibly happen.
But before they die, Riker is able to transport some of the klingons from the room into the past where we see Berman and Braga in a Hollywood studio drafting their next Trek show and the Klingons disembowel them and use them for blood wine.
BigJonsson
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Phoenix said:
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Game over
Shouta said:
Amen to that. It wasn't believeble the first time I saw it, when it was called BattleStar Galactica. The entire idea of trying to undertake a journey of 100 plus years is stupid. Going out on blind faith thinking you are just going to stumble upon the resouces you need to keep your ship functioning, nevermind taking into account that you might run into not just small time thugs and raiders, but entire empires/federations, that might want to take your ship and or people. Now thow in the Borg and in know way would any group of people decide to go on the blind trek.
Voyager should have been about them trying to start a new colony there in the Delta quadrent, while exploring the new area. They could have set up shop on Tess' peoples planet and went about trying to figure out why the caretaker was looking over these people, and maybe finding out if they can reconstruct the device it used to get them their. You can have you normal trek material, discovering new shit, while maintaining the underlining theme of finding out what this caretaker was and why it cared for Tess' people and who are Tess' people and why do the Kaizon want to capture them so much. Thrugh out the show Voyager meets and makes enemies and friends of a lot of races and for a new Federation. In the end they find out all the truths about the caretaker and Tess' people, and find a way to get back to Earth, obviously as they are in the middle of doing this the Kazon attack and they have to choose between leaving the new Federation or going home. They decide to stay even though it means that they may not go home. Then they could have did movies.
JoshuaJSlone
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At the end of last season when Daniels was trying to convince Archer not to be such a dumbass and risk future history along with his life, he showed Archer at the signing of the Federation charter (or whatever). Was said to be more than a year off. Certainly something that would be like the beginning of those negotiations could be used, though.BigJonsson said:
DarienA said:
Your comment is confusing. Do you mean the Voyager series destroyed the Borg as a cool villain or do you blame the series finale for singlehandily destroying the Borg?
Need I remind you TNG didn't handle the Borg all that well, most specifically the poor little Borg kid with a name who end up splitting up the collective into individuals under the leadership of the evil Lore. I now pretend those episodes don't even exist.
Saturnman said:Your comment is confusing. Do you mean the Voyager series destroyed the Borg as a cool villain or do you blame the series finale for singlehandily destroying the Borg?
Need I remind you TNG didn't handle the Borg all that well, most specifically the poor little Borg kid with a name who end up splitting up the collective into individuals under the leadership of the evil Lore. I now pretend those episodes don't even exist.
I'm sorry, but at least that was consistent with the borg. It's understandable that individuality would fuck them up and leave them confused. Their ships were still hella powerful and they were still way ahead on warp technology, though.
Jump to Voyager, where they're able to *pass through borg space* with barely a scratch, for god's sake. That was the pussification of the borg right there.
But it really started with the Queen in First Contact. Oh, hello, we really did have an individual running us the whole time. What did we want with Picard as Locutus? Duh, I dunno. He was just kinda cool. And Hugh? Well hell, the Borg Queen was like him, but sexy. She coulda had sex with him and made a new dynasty of Borg leadership, but no.
Borg Queen + Voyager = Borg Suckage.
God's Hand
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Okay, I just finished watching 13 episodes of Battlestar, including the pilot. Is that all there is? It ended with a friggin cliffhanger if you ask me. I never expected
Totally confused. Is this all there is? Where's the rest?
HIM to get shot and probably killed...
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