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Enterprise Finally Cancelled

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God's Hand, spoiler tag that, first season hasn't ended in the US yet. And yes that's it, first season is only 13 eps. Hopefully it will picked up for a full 22 next season.
He better not be fucking dead, I can't imagine the show being as good without him.
 

Saturnman

Banned
graham said:
I'm sorry, but at least that was consistent with the borg. It's understandable that individuality would fuck them up and leave them confused. Their ships were still hella powerful and they were still way ahead on warp technology, though.

Jump to Voyager, where they're able to *pass through borg space* with barely a scratch, for god's sake. That was the pussification of the borg right there.

But it really started with the Queen in First Contact. Oh, hello, we really did have an individual running us the whole time. What did we want with Picard as Locutus? Duh, I dunno. He was just kinda cool. And Hugh? Well hell, the Borg Queen was like him, but sexy. She coulda had sex with him and made a new dynasty of Borg leadership, but no.

Borg Queen + Voyager = Borg Suckage.


The 'pussification' of the Borg started right with Best of Both Worlds in TNG. Their previous encounter made them into a simple plot device for Q against the Enterprise. They were invulnerable. They had to be.

Afterwards, they were downgraded to the level of any other Trek villain, hard to fight, but to be defeated at the end of every episode.
 

COCKLES

being watched
They've written another 5 episodes to start shooting to make a complete 'first season', the sets are standing....Sci-Fi are weighing up the options. You think it would be a no-brainer....

But Ron Moore sacked, some lightweight non-arc story producer brought in to make it all more light, fluffier and demographic friendly wouldn't surprise me to be honest..

If Space Above and Beyond & Firefly can get canned, then BS certainly can. :(
 
Yeah Saturnman, but how they were defeted in Best of Both Worlds made sense and didn't feel cheap. The Lore/Borg episdoe was and the FC's Borg Queen were terrible.

But Voyager pretty much single handidly turned one of the scariest villians in TV sci-fi into the Washington Generals.
 

BojTrek

Banned
They self-destructed by themselves... all Data did was tell them to all go into re-generation state... it caused a loop in the system, they saw the malfunction and destroyed themselves.

I agree that Voyager pussified the Borg... the Borg queen was OK, but First Contact was just too weak for my tastes... I can watch it, but it could have been phenominal with a little bit more on space battle front.

I would have had 3-4 Borg ships appear and fight them off before the time-travel jump.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
God's Hand said:
Okay, I just finished watching 13 episodes of Battlestar, including the pilot.

Spoiler tag your post. The first season is only half over in the US and you spoiled the whole thing for people watching it for the first time.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
Disco Stu said:
I disagree. It seems to me that, in one episode of the Next Generation, Data put all the Borg to sleep. And then their ship blew up.





If I'm not mistaken Data hacked into the collective and made them sleep. How does that oussify them more than Voyager. I assume the Borg adapted so that that wouldn't be possible. It's not like everytime the Borg and Enterprise met they pulled the old make them sleep gag on them.



Saturnman said:
The 'pussification' of the Borg started right with Best of Both Worlds in TNG. Their previous encounter made them into a simple plot device for Q against the Enterprise. They were invulnerable. They had to be.

Afterwards, they were downgraded to the level of any other Trek villain, hard to fight, but to be defeated at the end of every episode.


Again if I'm not mistaken. StarFleet set plans in motion after Enterprise came back from the Delta quadrent and first met the Borg. It wasn't that the Borg were downgraded it was that this time StarFleet had some data to go on to fight them. As well as the Borg was facing the whole of StarFleet rather than just one ship.
 
ShadowRed said:
If I'm not mistaken Data hacked into the collective and made them sleep. How does that oussify them more than Voyager. I assume the Borg adapted so that that wouldn't be possible. It's not like everytime the Borg and Enterprise met they pulled the old make them sleep gag on them.






Again if I'm not mistaken. StarFleet set plans in motion after Enterprise came back from the Delta quadrent and first met the Borg. It wasn't that the Borg were downgraded it was that this time StarFleet had some data to go on to fight them. As well as the Borg was facing the whole of StarFleet rather than just one ship.

StarFleet got its ass handed to it at Wolf 359. The Borg cube was put to sleep by the Enterprise while it was over Earth. Enterprise was the only ship there, so they were just facing one ship.
 

MC Safety

Member
ShadowRed said:
If I'm not mistaken Data hacked into the collective and made them sleep. How does that oussify them more than Voyager. I assume the Borg adapted so that that wouldn't be possible. It's not like everytime the Borg and Enterprise met they pulled the old make them sleep gag on them.

You called it a gag. You were right. That it happened once was more than enough.

And then, when Data put the Bog to sleep, their ship blew up. That's pretty wimpy to me.
 

Saturnman

Banned
Ironically, the Romulans are probably the most consistent villains in Trek. Sneaky and treacherous. Even as allies in DS9, you could not quite trust them. The Klingons, especially with Worf, have been pussified to make them likeable, quite a contrast from ST:TOS and early Trek movies.

With that said, characters evolve in series. I'm not really surprised by any of this. When first introduced, the Borg were pretty much underdeveloped and faceless. I see the Borg queen, like Lucatus, as an attempt to put a face to the villains, which makes better drama. Whether you like both choices is open to debate. :)
 

maharg

idspispopd
Saturnman said:
With that said, characters evolve in series. I'm not really surprised by any of this. When first introduced, the Borg were pretty much underdeveloped and faceless. I see the Borg queen, like Lucatus, as an attempt to put a face to the villains, which makes better drama. Whether you like both choices is open to debate. :)

I think it's the combination that sucks. Either they needed a face and they didn't have one, or they already had one so why did they want another? It's the change from a pure hive mind to an authoritarian structure that bothers me.
 

MC Safety

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graham said:
I think it's the combination that sucks. Either they needed a face and they didn't have one, or they already had one so why did they want another? It's the change from a pure hive mind to an authoritarian structure that bothers me.

I also liked it when the Borg started having feelings, and were ruled by Data's brother.
 

Phoenix

Member
BojTrek said:
the Borg queen was OK, but First Contact was just too weak for my tastes... I can watch it, but it could have been phenominal with a little bit more on space battle front.

Eh? We had a single borg cube bitch slap an entire Federation task force with relative ease, but the space battle was weak?
 

teiresias

Member
Ironically, the Romulans are probably the most consistent villains in Trek. Sneaky and treacherous. Even as allies in DS9, you could not quite trust them. The Klingons, especially with Worf, have been pussified to make them likeable, quite a contrast from ST:TOS and early Trek movies.

I don't agree with the comment about the Klingons at all. Pre-TNG Klingons are in the middle of basically a prolonged war with the Federation (active and cold) and they are portrayed as such from the perspective of the Federation. By the time of TNG, and following the events of Star Trek VI, they're obviously not openely hostile but there is still huge amounts of cultural tension between the Klingons and the Federation.

I think it's a quote from Roddenberry that said something like, "Klingons in the original series weren't very believable because they were all bad," and in my opinion this is an honest assessment when you're dealing with a society made up of individuals (which obviously negates this argument for the Borg collective). To believe otherwise would promote some racist view that the minute you're born a Klingon or a Romulan you automatically are "evil" depending on your definition of the term. There were some "pussified" Romulans too that weren't huge parts of the Romulan military machine.

However, I really always loved the Klingons in the TNG and the way the internal political struggle of the Klingon empire spilled over and often involved the Enterprise due to Worf and his family.
 

Saturnman

Banned
teiresias said:
I don't agree with the comment about the Klingons at all. Pre-TNG Klingons are in the middle of basically a prolonged war with the Federation (active and cold) and they are portrayed as such from the perspective of the Federation. By the time of TNG, and following the events of Star Trek VI, they're obviously not openely hostile but there is still huge amounts of cultural tension between the Klingons and the Federation.

I think it's a quote from Roddenberry that said something like, "Klingons in the original series weren't very believable because they were all bad," and in my opinion this is an honest assessment when you're dealing with a society made up of individuals (which obviously negates this argument for the Borg collective). To believe otherwise would promote some racist view that the minute you're born a Klingon or a Romulan you automatically are "evil" depending on your definition of the term. There were some "pussified" Romulans too that weren't huge parts of the Romulan military machine.

However, I really always loved the Klingons in the TNG and the way the internal political struggle of the Klingon empire spilled over and often involved the Enterprise due to Worf and his family.

But see, that's the thing. The least you know about a villain, the more menacing he becomes. When they decide to go a little deeper with those villains, exposing them in human terms we can understand, they become less threatening.

The opposite is true in war propaganda, to dehumanize a foe, to make his actions inexplicably evil and against you, is to make him more threatening.
 

Escape Goat

Member
I think any villain has to have a reason to be evil. No one does things just because. If they have a humanity to them but are twisted in a way that gives them reason to act the way they do, it makes them more interesting. Alot of comicbook villains are evil just because the heroes needed someone to fight.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Disco Stu said:
Cute.

No need to get all fired up, by the by. I was just quoting the message that was last in the thread.

And I was just asking you to say hello to the bug up your ass for me. He borrowed a pie plate from me, but on second thought I don't want it back.
 

MC Safety

Member
THE EYE said:
And I was just asking you to say hello to the bug up your ass for me. He borrowed a pie plate from me, but on second thought I don't want it back.

Here's a hint for you, Eye. You're not particularly amusing. And what's funny for you isn't as humorous for those who've graduated fourth grade.

And now, back to the topic at hand. Today, I saw an episode of The Next Generation in which the Ferengi were actually menacing -- but ultimately defeated by a pre-adolescent Picard, Guinan, and Ensign Ro Laren.

Star Trek in general doesn't have a particularly good history of maintaining its villains as such.
 

Escape Goat

Member
The Vidiians were great villains. They were evil but it was out of necessity. From an objective view, they were killing so that they may survive.
 

teiresias

Member
But see, that's the thing. The least you know about a villain, the more menacing he becomes. When they decide to go a little deeper with those villains, exposing them in human terms we can understand, they become less threatening.

But retreading the whole "menacing, evil, shooting at any Federation ship that moves" Klingons would have been horribly tedious come the time of TNG. The stories we get with the Klingons on TNG are far more interesting than anything we'd have gotten from them if they'd remained simply shoot-to-kill villians that showed up every four episodes or something to put the ship in peril. Delving into Klingon politics and culture was far more interesting and challenging story-telling wise IMO.
 

maharg

idspispopd
I think the vidiians were one of the better things to come out of the sludge that is voyager.

teiresias said:
But retreading the whole "menacing, evil, shooting at any Federation ship that moves" Klingons would have been horribly tedious come the time of TNG. The stories we get with the Klingons on TNG are far more interesting than anything we'd have gotten from them if they'd remained simply shoot-to-kill villians that showed up every four episodes or something to put the ship in peril. Delving into Klingon politics and culture was far more interesting and challenging story-telling wise IMO.

On the other hand it really did leave TNG with a lack of a serious villainous empire until the borg (with the Ferengi as the first attempt at fixing that -- :lol at monkey men with phaser whips).
 

Boogie

Member
I really like how the Klingons were developed over the years. They are the definitive race that Star Trek did right.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Ron Moore on the end of Enterprise:

http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html
February 04, 2005
Trek goes back to the Fans

Now that Enterprise has been cancelled, we're about to enter a period not seen since the orignal series ended its run just a few weeks before Apollo 11 landed on the moon: a time without a Star Trek film or TV project on the horizon. From the reaction I've seen thus far, the consensus view seems to be that this is merely a pause in the trek, and that before too long, we'll be talking about the newest take on Roddenberry's universe, be it television, feature, animation or sock puppet. I tend to agree, insofar as I know first hand that Viacom considers "the Franchise" to be one of their crown jewels and I've personally heard them refer to the "next fifty years of Star Trek" as a corporate priority.

So Star Trek isn't dead and it isn't dying. It has, however, entered into an interregnum, a pause in the treadmill of overlapping productions that have become the norm for the series that was once considered "too cerebral for television."

Certainly there is sadness in this news. There has been a Star Trek production either in prep or being filmed on Stages 8 & 9 on the Paramount lot since 1977, when Star Trek: Phase Two began initial construction for a second series featuring all the original characters but Spock (these sets were then revamped for Star Trek: The Motion Picture). An entire infrastructure has been built around the productions, staffed by people whose involvement in the Franchise goes back over two decades. The dedication, passion, and talent of these artisans and craftsmen cannot be overstated. The unsung heroes of Trek, the people who sweat every detail, who take the time to think through continuity and try to make the vast universe consistent, people like Mike and Denise Okuda, Dave Rossi, Michael Westmore, Herman Zimmerman, Bob Blackman, and many others, are about to leave and take with them an enormous body of knowledge and talent that cannot be and will not be replicated again. That is cause for both tears and eulogies as the close of Enterprise signals the true end of an era.

However, there is another side of this story, one that perhaps is somewhat more hopeful and positive: Star Trek has now been returned to the care of its community of fans.

I say returned because there was a time when the fans were the exclusive owners and operators of what would later become the Franchise. From 1969 until 1979, a genuine grassroots movement of fans gathered together in conventions, published newsletters (in the primordial ooze of the pre-internet era, no less), wrote scads of fan fiction, created their own props and uniforms, and dreamed the dream of what it was to live aboard the good ship Enterprise.

I was one of those fans; I was a kid growing up in the 1970's who found Star Trek in strip syndication and bought every book and magazine I could lay my hands on and every piece of fan merchandise I could con my parents into buying and I can tell you that some of those efforts were abysmal and some were brilliant, but all of them were driven by a sense of passion rooted in a belief that Trek was our secret club. We, the fans, embroidered the Trek tapestry while the powers that be at Paramount dawdled. In those years, the best stories told not those written by Gene or any other "professional writers" (no offense to the short-lived, but well intentioned animated series), but by people like Sondra Marshak, Myrna Culbreath, and Jacqueline Lichtenberg. Who are they? Fans. People who loved Star Trek and were able to breath life into it during the interregnum between the show and the Franchise.

Star Trek now returns to the care of its fans and its fans can decide for themselves what kind of experience they want to have during this next interregnum. They can consume the seemingly endless licensed products available to them from the Franchise, everything from barware to shower curtains, and read only the mainstream, officially licensed and sanctioned books, or they can go their own way. Some of the most daring and creatively challenging Star Trek material has been created not by Paramount, but by amateurs, who simply had an idea for an interesting twist on the Trek universe. Think Kirk and Spock were secret lovers? Wonder about the social and cultural history of the planet Vulcan? Believe the Mirror Universe is more fascinating than our own? All these topics and many others were, and are, tackled by fans in their own fiction, their own stories, their own dreams.

Step back from the merchandising. Rediscover the joy and wonder of the universe Roddenberry created. Talk to people who share your common interest and who understand the difference between phaser mark I and mark II (duh!). You don't need another series to enjoy Star Trek. You need only your own imagination and the desire to boldly go where no man has gone before.
 

DrForester

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The kazon were like the Klingons on the short bus of the galaxy.

I do think the Kazon and the first few seasons in general provided Voyager with some of it's best enemies and plot twists. The whole idea of Voyager was great, just poorly executed when they started relying on old tricks. The Borg, which had a spot in Voyagers story since they're all in the delta quadrant. Just didnt go well. Also as much as I like Barklay, having him in the last 2 seasons just made me wish I was watching the Barlay show, and not Voyager.

While overall bad, Voyager did have a few nice episodes and villans



Seska was a very nice villan, and in the few later season eps where they came up with creative ways to bring her back dispite being dead were also good.

Ensign Sutter, the guy who was murdering crew members, and later helped save Voyager after it was taken by the Kazon, was also a nice character. Though, I may just have liked him becasue it's the same actor who played Wormtoung in Lord of the Rings and therefore rocks.

The 2nd caretaker. They hinted at this in the pilot and came back to it and pulled it off nicely.

Year of Hell. Right before Kes left they hinted at this, then the pull off a pretty good 2 part episode with Red form That 70's Show.

Probably the only good "2nd half of series" episode I can think of was the one where Kim and Chakotay return to Earth alone and change history to save Voyager becasue Kim screwed up and destroyed the ship in an attempt to get them home
 

Shouta

Member
There were tons of good single or two-part episodes for Voyager but most of them just weren't cohesive enough to benefit the overall show. There also a decent amount of character episodes as well which was surprising. Oh and the Doctor on Voyager rocked.
 

Vlad

Member
DrForester said:
Seska was a very nice villan, and in the few later season eps where they came up with creative ways to bring her back dispite being dead were also good.

Seska died? What episode did that happen in? The last episode I remember seeing her in was the one where she took her baby and left Voyager. I don't remember seeing her in any of the episodes after that, aside from the one where she popped up in the holodeck "mutiny" scenario.


Ensign Sutter, the guy who was murdering crew members, and later helped save Voyager after it was taken by the Kazon, was also a nice character. Though, I may just have liked him becasue it's the same actor who played Wormtoung in Lord of the Rings and therefore rocks.

The 2nd caretaker. They hinted at this in the pilot and came back to it and pulled it off nicely.

Year of Hell. Right before Kes left they hinted at this, then the pull off a pretty good 2 part episode with Red form That 70's Show.

Probably the only good "2nd half of series" episode I can think of was the one where Kim and Chakotay return to Earth alone and change history to save Voyager becasue Kim screwed up and destroyed the ship in an attempt to get them home

Yeah, there were a few good episodes scattered all throughout the series. It's just that there was a LOT of fluff in between. I always liked the one where they were stuck near that planet where time ran faster than the rest of the universe.
 

DrForester

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Seska died at the end of the mutiny episode if I am remembering it right.



As for comming back, she came back one in a hollodeck episode, they also did an episode where the ship was split into different time periods and one of them was when Seska was trying to take over.
 

Vlad

Member
DrForester said:
Seska died at the end of the mutiny episode if I am remembering it right.

As for comming back, she came back one in a hollodeck episode, they also did an episode where the ship was split into different time periods and one of them was when Seska was trying to take over.


Ok, it's been years since I've seen that episode (and we may be talking about different ones), but are you referring to the episode where the whole crew was playing around with the Holodeck scenario that Tuvac made, and it later turned out that Seska had programmed it to kill whoever was inside it or something (she showed up in that one). That's the only episode I remember offhand that referred to a mutiny or anything similar...
 
Vlad said:
Ok, it's been years since I've seen that episode (and we may be talking about different ones), but are you referring to the episode where the whole crew was playing around with the Holodeck scenario that Tuvac made, and it later turned out that Seska had programmed it to kill whoever was inside it or something (she showed up in that one). That's the only episode I remember offhand that referred to a mutiny or anything similar...

Seska actually died when the Kazon lost Voyager to the Taalaxians (sp?) and Tom Paris' shuttle. The death was pretty subtile as far as Star Trek deaths go, but the scene with Seska hunched over with the baby is where she died.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
The series finale airs on May 13th.

At least there's some good stuff before then.

There's the two-parter explaining the Klingon ridges in the Original Series.

And the two-parter showing the origin of the Mirror, Mirror universe with the Tholians and Gorn (both CG now).
 

DrForester

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Man, if they try and do a Mirror Universe Origin it will be disapointing. The books shatner put out already have a great origin story for the mirror universe (And it would require enterprise to be in the mirror universe).

Shatners take on it was that the Borg in first contact really freaked ou the Humans, and they went into full defense mode, attacking others before they coudl attack them. That is what deviated one universe from another. The Borg from first contact have been in enterprise, so Enterprise woudl have to be in the Mirror Universe (And this woudl have made enterprise a great show).

2 parter about the ridges on Klingons... why. Worf has already explained it as much as any fan wants. He gave the perfect explination in the DS9 episode with the Tribbles "It is a long story and we do not discuss it with outsiders". The end.
 

Saturnman

Banned
DrForester said:
2 parter about the ridges on Klingons... why. Worf has already explained it as much as any fan wants. He gave the perfect explination in the DS9 episode with the Tribbles "It is a long story and we do not discuss it with outsiders". The end.

Agreed.

Though there's a slim chance those will be good, relevant episodes.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
DrForester said:
Shatners take on it was that the Borg in first contact really freaked ou the Humans, and they went into full defense mode, attacking others before they coudl attack them. That is what deviated one universe from another. The Borg from first contact have been in enterprise, so Enterprise woudl have to be in the Mirror Universe (And this woudl have made enterprise a great show).


That's how it happens in Enterprise. They show the Vulcans landing exactly like in First Contact, but this time the humans storm the Vulcan ship and attack them.
 
ManaByte said:
That's how it happens in Enterprise. They show the Vulcans landing exactly like in First Contact, but this time the humans storm the Vulcan ship and attack them.

One thing I don't get is
when they find the Defiant, where are Sisko & crew? I mean are they killed off by the Tholians before Archer takes over Enterprise and then the stripped Defiant ... or does Archer kill off the Defiant crew? The production reports don't seem to mention the actual crew.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it would be neat if they turn out to be there, but also wouldn't make much sense. Even if time travel is involved.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
ManDudeChild said:
One thing I don't get is
when they find the Defiant, where are Sisko & crew? I mean are they killed off by the Tholians before Archer takes over Enterprise and then the stripped Defiant ... or does Archer kill off the Defiant crew

Uh...wrong Defiant.
The one they find is the Defiant from the original series, which is the same class ship as the original Enterprise so they will be using sets that look like the original Enterprise sets and they will be wearing original series uniforms.
 
ManaByte said:
Uh...wrong Defiant. The one they find is the Defiant from the original series, which is the same class ship as the original Enterprise
so they will be using sets that look like the original Enterprise sets and they will be wearing original series uniforms.

Oh ... my bad. Misunderstood that. Btw, you might want to put some spoiler tags around that.
 

DrForester

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ManaByte said:
That's how it happens in Enterprise. They show the Vulcans landing exactly like in First Contact, but this time the humans storm the Vulcan ship and attack them.


Not really. The Vulcans and Humans were still allies in the mirror universe, which is why Vulcans were also enslaved when the Alliance took over. Spock became the leader of the Empire in the mirror universe.
 

maharg

idspispopd
JMS wants Trek. (JMS did Babylon 5, Jeremiah, some recent line of Spider Man everyone seems to have hated, The Real Ghostbusters cartoon, and in his not so proudest moment, a bunch of Murder, She Wrote)

JMS said:
I'm trying this via google to see if I can access the groups, since
I've been offline since AOL stopped carrying newsgroups.

I don't normally do this...in fact, I don't think I've ever done this
in any group before, because I've always kind of waited to make sure it
was worth doing, and that it would make a difference.

I'm sending this to both the B5 folks reading this and any Trek fans
looking on.

Bryce Zabel (recently the head of the Television Academy and
creator/executive producer of Dark Skies) and I share one thing in
common. We are both long-time Trek fans, from the earliest days, who
felt that the later iterations were not up to the standards set by the
original series. (I'm exempting TNG because that one worked nicely,
and was in many ways the truest to the original series because Gene was
still around to shepherd its creation and execution.)

Over time, Trek was treated like a porsche that's kept in the garage
all the time, for fear of scratching the finish. The stories were, for
the most part, safe, more about technology than what William Faulkner
described as "the human heart in conflict with itself." Yes, there
were always exceptions, but in general that trend became more and more
apparent with the passage of years. Which was why so often I came down
on the later stories, which I did openly, because I didn't feel they
lined up with what Trek was created to be. I don't apologize for it,
because that was what I felt as a fan of Trek. That's why I had Majel
appear on B5, to send a message: that I believe in what Gene created.

Because left to its own devices, allowed to go as far as it could,
telling the same kind of challenging stories Trek was always known for,
it could blow the doors off science fiction television. Think of it
for a moment, a series with a forty year solid name, guaranteed
markets...can you think of a better time when you take chances and can
tell daring, imaginative, challenging stories? Why play it safe?

When Enterprise went down, those involved shrugged and wrote it off to
"franchise fatigue," their phrase, not mine.

I don't believe that for a second. Neither does Bryce. There's a
tremendous hunger for Trek out there. It just has to be Trek done
*right*.

Last year, Bryce and I sat down and, on our own, out of a sheer love of
Trek as it was and should be, wrote a series bible/treatment for a
return to the roots of Trek. To re-boot the Trek universe.
Understand: writer/producers in TV just don't do that sort of thing on
their own, everybody always insists on doing it for vast sums of money.
We did it entirely on our own, setting aside other, paying deadlines
out of our passion for the series. We set out a full five-year arc.

But when it came time to bring it to Paramount, despite my track record
and Bryce's enormous and skillful record as a writer/producer, the
effort stalled out because of "political considerations," which was
explained to us as not wishing to offend the powers that be.

So on behalf of myself and Bryce, I'm taking the unusual step of going
right to the source...right to you guys, fueled in part by a number of
recent articles and polls, including one at www.scifi.com/scifiwire in
which nearly 18,000 fans voted their preference for a new Trek series,
and 48% of that figure called for a jms take on Trek. (The other
choices polled at about 18% or thereabouts.)

See, if somebody doesn't like a story, doesn't want to buy it, that's
all well and good, that's terrific, that's the way it's supposed to be.
But when "political considerations" are the basis...that just doesn't
parse.

So here's the deal, folks. If you want to see a new Trek series that's
true to Gene's original creation, helmed by myself and Bryce, with
challenging stories, contemporary themes, solid extrapolation, and the
infusion of some of our best and brightest SF prose writers, then you
need to let the folks at Paramount know that. If the 48% of the 18,000
folks who voted at scifi.com sent those sentiments to
Paramount...there'd be a new series in the works tomorrow.

I don't need the work, I have plenty of stuff on my plate through 2007
in TV, film and comics, so that's not an issue. But I'd set it all
aside for one shot at doing Trek right, and I know Bryce feels the
same.

If you want this to happen...it's up to the Trek and B5 fans to make it
so.

The rest I leave to the quiet turning of your considered conscience.

J. Michael Straczynski

But then he changed his mind, I guess:

jms said:
Actually...belay everything I just said.

In the 24 hours between the time I composed the prior note, and sent
it, and it made its way through the moderation software, two things
happened:

1) I heard from a trusted source that Paramount is giving the Trek TV
world a rest for maybe one to two years, depending on circumstances, no
matter who would come along to run it. So it's not right to have folks
putting in time doing something that ultimately would be pointless, I
don't think that's a proper use of anybody's time.

2) At the same time as the above, an offer came in to run a new TV
series for fall of '06, and since there's no way anything Trek can
happen in the interim, I've said yes (now we have to negotiate the
deal, but that should be fairly straightforward).

So on two counts, the whole thing is kind of moot.

We can reconvene a year or two down the road to see where this takes
us, but in the interim...my apologies for waking everybody up in the
middle of the night.

As you were.

Thanks and with great chagrinedness --

jms
 

ManaByte

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2) At the same time as the above, an offer came in to run a new TV
series for fall of '06, and since there's no way anything Trek can
happen in the interim, I've said yes (now we have to negotiate the
deal, but that should be fairly straightforward).

Can you say Star Wars?
 

COCKLES

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Voyager should have been like the episode where Worf is travelling thorugh alternate dimensions and comes across the Enterprise that lost the encounter with the Borg - Enterprise is the only ship left and their on the run, hunted through the galaxy - the uttly desperate Riker, the shattered ship *perfect* - yet no matter how many times Voyager got trashed...and it did endlessly, the next episode is was brank spankin' new again with crew in spotless hair and uniforms. :lol
 
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