Oh that's good to hear , think I'm gonna try this tonight .
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Etrian Mystery Dungeon |OT| - The Mysterious Adventures of Fight and Heal
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Oh that's good to hear , think I'm gonna try this tonight .
ChickenHunter
Member
Seventh
OH GOD SO MUCH CONFUSION. I was not ready at all holy shit.
SliceSabre
Banned
Soo....it kinda is tough going when it comes to bosses in not having a Protector in my main party
It ends up that I have my gunners and Landshark gathered around my Dancer who is the healer/off-attacker. Gets hard when the boss focuses on one of the gunners cause they go down quickly.
Still managed to beat the 3rd dungeon boss and only lost my Dancer at the end.
It ends up that I have my gunners and Landshark gathered around my Dancer who is the healer/off-attacker. Gets hard when the boss focuses on one of the gunners cause they go down quickly.
Still managed to beat the 3rd dungeon boss and only lost my Dancer at the end.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
RIP me
My copy is finally here!
Gonna run with Medic, princess, dancer and can't decide on the last. Any ideas? Protector seems the ideal but I dunno..
EDIT: Oh wait, I wanted a gunner. Never mind, there we go!
Maybe I will swamp out the medic for something if the dancer is enough though.
Gonna run with Medic, princess, dancer and can't decide on the last. Any ideas? Protector seems the ideal but I dunno..
EDIT: Oh wait, I wanted a gunner. Never mind, there we go!
Maybe I will swamp out the medic for something if the dancer is enough though.
Named my dancer after Mauricio. ^ ^
In fourth dungeon, had an encounter with the DOE. Killed all his adds then hit him for 1 damage... Preeeety sure I missed something about how to approach those so I warped out.
Was getting overwhelmed keeping a full stable leveled / equipped, then I auto-level-styled like 10/15 my people and figured I'd use the fort-defaults. Much less stress now.
used boy sprite though
In fourth dungeon, had an encounter with the DOE. Killed all his adds then hit him for 1 damage... Preeeety sure I missed something about how to approach those so I warped out.
Was getting overwhelmed keeping a full stable leveled / equipped, then I auto-level-styled like 10/15 my people and figured I'd use the fort-defaults. Much less stress now.
So guys, I have a question.
4th dungeon, the DOE. I simply can't find the damn thing! I've run the dungeon 2-3 times and have beat the boss, but I haven't heard even a peep from this DOE. It hasn't destroyed any of my forts or anything, either... but my DOE radar is always blinking red, no matter what floor I'm on. I have a sidequest to defeat it, and would like to to get it out of the way, but I'm starting to get annoyed by trying to find it.
Am I doing something wrong? Any tips for running into DOEs?
4th dungeon, the DOE. I simply can't find the damn thing! I've run the dungeon 2-3 times and have beat the boss, but I haven't heard even a peep from this DOE. It hasn't destroyed any of my forts or anything, either... but my DOE radar is always blinking red, no matter what floor I'm on. I have a sidequest to defeat it, and would like to to get it out of the way, but I'm starting to get annoyed by trying to find it.
Am I doing something wrong? Any tips for running into DOEs?
I do like this game, by the way. So addicting!
ChickenHunter
Member
Just finished the main game, here's a few tips on things I found handy.
I am not looking forward to some of these new post game traps.
- Disable AI Wanderers from throwing rocks and make sure to move your Sovereign out of the doorway and properly into the room or they'll clog the doorway up with order spam
- Try to build a scanning fort every 4-5 floors and in the middle column if possible so you get as full a view as possible of the dungeon layout.
- Normally you can only track DOEs if they're in zones you've already been in, those colored yellow. Forts with scanning range will let you track DOEs even in zones you haven't been in, those colored blue. You are never allowed to make forts on the last 5 floors of a dungeon.
- Later on, going into a dungeon with 2-3k money will ensure that you'll be able to make as many forts as you need to and let you make longer trips
- Fighting a DOE with an 8-man party is significantly easier, try to do it as much as possible. You won't be able to directly control the fort party so plan accordingly
- Landsknecht's Links count as a status ailment on DOEs (i think?)
- Everything is susceptible to paralysis
- Don't be afraid to throw all your items and sigils at enemies
- Final boss tip:
be ready for confusion and get the left hand first
I am not looking forward to some of these new post game traps.
What do these demon calling and transforming traps do? They don't sound especially nice but I haven't noticed them do anything yet.
I'm glad for you. Enjoy!
Mine still hasn't shipped, and I chose "Express" shipping. I'm thinking of contacting them and getting that refunded...
Edit - Never mind, I just checked my order history. It's now "Preparing for Shipment". Finally.
Build a Search fort or two, it'll put the DOE on the map so you know what level he's in. Use a Light scroll when you're on his level.
EVA UNIT 01
Member
Still on the fence about this game and im not sure why.
I like EO but my only exposure to MD series is pokemon mystery dungeon and they were...well shit.
I think thats whats scaring me off.
I had my game shop hold the one and only copy they got in for me until tomorrow night so I could sleep on it.
What say you gaf?
Were the pokemon MD games just poorly made non representitive titles i should forget?
I like EO but my only exposure to MD series is pokemon mystery dungeon and they were...well shit.
I think thats whats scaring me off.
I had my game shop hold the one and only copy they got in for me until tomorrow night so I could sleep on it.
What say you gaf?
Were the pokemon MD games just poorly made non representitive titles i should forget?
rockmanjoe
Member
I love this game. Even without real permadeath they still nail the risk vs. reward factor important to roguelikes and everything they added unique to this game provide endless important decisions that the player must make. I find myself thinking hard before making my next move both in and out of dungeons. Things like where to spend the money (forts, equipment, items or facility improvements), what classes to use and their syniergies, when to use items and blast skills (and in what way to apply them too), etc. So many things to consider! I can't get enough of it. And I haven't even gotten to the first DOE yet, which opens up yet more challenges to take care of.
It's a very different game from Shiren, but with its unique ways, it scratches the same itch for deep, strategic roguelike gameplay that I love.
So far I beat the third dungeon with no party wipes yet. Using a wanderer, protector, gunner and runemaster. I have no real issues with the AI so far other than the ranged classes sometimes not attacking in hallways at enemies in their line of sight which is weird.
I disabled most of the skills to prevent the AI from burning TP on common enemies, except the runemaster's since she has enough TP to use them anyway.
Can't wait to play more!
The Pokemon MDs are pretty much "baby's first roguelike", so yes, you should forget about those.
This game is pretty much the best of the crossover MDs as it combines the strengths of both series beatifully.
It's a very different game from Shiren, but with its unique ways, it scratches the same itch for deep, strategic roguelike gameplay that I love.
So far I beat the third dungeon with no party wipes yet. Using a wanderer, protector, gunner and runemaster. I have no real issues with the AI so far other than the ranged classes sometimes not attacking in hallways at enemies in their line of sight which is weird.
I disabled most of the skills to prevent the AI from burning TP on common enemies, except the runemaster's since she has enough TP to use them anyway.
Can't wait to play more!
The Pokemon MDs are pretty much "baby's first roguelike", so yes, you should forget about those.
This game is pretty much the best of the crossover MDs as it combines the strengths of both series beatifully.
EVA UNIT 01
Member
Alright.
Screw it ill bite the bullet.
I can get it for only 32$ so worst case scenario is I sell it back for only a 10$ loss.
Screw it ill bite the bullet.
I can get it for only 32$ so worst case scenario is I sell it back for only a 10$ loss.
Point 2 seems excessive. Point 6 is true but apparently not on all DOEs. Some still don't take any damage even with the link debuff on them. The Rafflesias seem to be an example of that.
ChickenHunter
Member
Yeah, it does seem to vary what counts as a "status ailment" Like some DOEs become vulnerable when their heads are bound, but not their legs or whatever. Its a little frustrating having to trial and error that.
Also you're right about point 2. I meant to say make sure the forts are spread apart far enough that they don't overlap scanning points, which amounts to about 6 floors for scanning forts.
The
seventh
I didn't mean to brag about it or anything. I have plenty shipping troubles with Amazon and even FS/BB.
I just wanted to highlight how stupid Amazon's shipping processes were that someone could get it shipped before release and others have to wait several days after release.
It's pretty ridiculous I had mine shipped with free shipping while you have express and it took this long. I think it may not be particularly useful to pay extra for express.
GeekyDad
Member
Played a couple of the DS PMDs, and I thought they were decent games. But honestly, I didn't finish either of them. It was definitely geared toward a young audience with its presentation. If the gameplay wasn't your thing, you might not like this.
Fantasy Life.
Horribad story, but fucking vast amounts of game.
This is coming from a diehard EO fan.
You won't go wrong with any of the three, though, IMO.
Machine
Member
Seconded. Fantasy Life is great.
Munkyspace
Member
Thirdeded, or something. Love that game. So many hours spent on it.
Oh, no worries at all. I never meant to imply that you were bragging, so I apologize if it came across as such.
But yeah, Amazon.ca and shipping can be..."random". I really wish they'd improve that, especially if you pay a premium for faster shipping. :/
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
nice, till I read that spoiler.
Is "Mauricio" a lady's name? It ends in 'o'! I studied Latin for a while and putting an -o name on a lady felt wrong ;_;
I have two dancers now. I named the second one "Mary".
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Mauricio is actually a male name, from Spain or something, I just love the female dancer too much.
Don't worry about it haha, I hope you're enjoying the game... which reminds me that I actually need to play more!
4th dungeon got me flummoxed!
The difficulty in this game is kind of whack. I'm usually not too pressed but if an enemy bops one of your people then they get that "power up" or whatever and then shit spirals out of control *fast*. I haven't had a wipe yet but I have had to bail out one or two levels shy of the bottom twice...
The difficulty in this game is kind of whack. I'm usually not too pressed but if an enemy bops one of your people then they get that "power up" or whatever and then shit spirals out of control *fast*. I haven't had a wipe yet but I have had to bail out one or two levels shy of the bottom twice...
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Always bring at least one of those scrolls that can reset the enemy status back to normal. Really helps for incidents like that.
Cleared the second dungeon (the first one with a boss) so far, and I've been messing around after that with quests and stuff. I like how the game really opens up after a bit. The solo class challenge quests with special rewards are pretty fun. It's really interesting how successfully they've fused the two series. The progression and presentation is a bunch of good stuff about EO dungeon crawling - party creation, classes, collecting materials and selling them to unlock more equipment, mixed with good stuff from MD gameplay - random dungeons, faster and shorter play sessions for each run, lite-rogue elements like hunger, scrolls, and disappearing chests. It's really fun!
Stuff like the fort system and the town redevelopment stuff are good money sinks for establishing longer term goals too.
Stuff like the fort system and the town redevelopment stuff are good money sinks for establishing longer term goals too.
GeekyDad
Member
Yeah, I have to concede there are issues with the AI. Though I don't agree with all of the complaints, the main issue is the bottlenecking in hallways. The AI sometimes is aggroed and sometimes not. Sure, there could be a few conveniences added to suit the AI more to a particular play style, but those things I can overlook. But the bottlenecking is the only real issue, and it's something that should have been corrected.
Even still, it's got so many great things going for it -- so many little things that make it a time sink.
Even still, it's got so many great things going for it -- so many little things that make it a time sink.
ChickenHunter
Member
My Princess keeps dodging her own buffs. Anyone know why this is happening and how I can stop it? It's kinda becoming a problem.
IIRC, it is a known issue.
Atlus likes to handicap Dancers with glitches.
See: Dancer/NS in EO4.
They never did much against me. I was kinda disappointed because they were flying deathmobiles in Untold expert. Those bunnies from the 6th and buffaloes from the 7th were much worse.
crabhammer
Member
Ugh I accidentally had my copy shipped to my parents home and I've been waiting for it to get here from them. This is gonna be my first Mystery Dungeon game (closest thing I think I've played is Sorcery Saga on the Vita and liked that okay) but I love Etrian to death so I'm super hype to get down with this.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
If you have a princess leveled up keep using her song that gives a 1 time protection against any status ailment for X amount of turns.
Its what I did made the fight a lot easier. As the idiot kept trying to do status effects while she kept denying it and everyone else wailed in em. Took a while but cleared it with no issues outside of low mp
Yeah just beat it; I figured out I could position my medic out of range of the status effects, so I just kept group therapy up and it was pretty easy after that
Beat the 4th dungeon boss. Made a mistake of having my Protector and Wanderer attack from the same direction--the boss attacks both at the same time. So I have P and W on the opposite side, with Gunner directly behind the Protector to support fire and heal status effects. Then I have Runemaster spamming everything he has from a distance.
I was surprised that the sleep effect seems to be more or less the same as paralysis. I put a monster to sleep and then it just can take continuous damage in that state rather than waking up when it gets hit.
Heh it's cool how we all seem to be of a pace. I took down the 4th boss this morning.
I had a pile of those "launch" items when I got down that. After a cycle of getting rocked by status effects, I managed to keep Skill Seal up on him pretty much through the rest of the fight. My problem hit when the Protector ran out of mana and couldn't provoke. Had to position my people to block him moving into range of my nearly-dead people. Became this leap-frog fall-back plan of dancing back out of range, keeping up skill seal, and plinking away at him. Was really cool!
This game is so close to being everything I want. It's super satisfying a lot of the time but then an arbitrary confusing mess every now and then--still don't have a great strat for getting a party into a room from a jammed hallway. When it clicks though, damn what a cool thing. Wish I could put up party control at-will instead of using Blast points...
I had a pile of those "launch" items when I got down that. After a cycle of getting rocked by status effects, I managed to keep Skill Seal up on him pretty much through the rest of the fight. My problem hit when the Protector ran out of mana and couldn't provoke. Had to position my people to block him moving into range of my nearly-dead people. Became this leap-frog fall-back plan of dancing back out of range, keeping up skill seal, and plinking away at him. Was really cool!
This game is so close to being everything I want. It's super satisfying a lot of the time but then an arbitrary confusing mess every now and then--still don't have a great strat for getting a party into a room from a jammed hallway. When it clicks though, damn what a cool thing. Wish I could put up party control at-will instead of using Blast points...
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Later on the cheap ones will be fairly useless unless you want to carry around a ton, so that will force you to move towards the 1000$ II version instead. Much better payoff when you need TP back now lol.
YianGaruga
Banned
The game is coming to EU this fall with the help of NISA, of course. Better late than never
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dznAmveZBnE
Better late than neverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dznAmveZBnE