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Euro 2016 |OT| Take a bow sson
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I don't understand sentiments that England shouldn't have a foreign manager, that's when we've been best since Venables. Sam is probably the only English manager I would accept at this time as the young crop aren't quite there yet. I'm gutted Pearce isn't actually that great, he would have been perfect
He's currently the u-21 coach. He went out at the group stages of the most recent u-21 tournament. His previous managerial career consists of a fairly disastrous stint at Middlesborough.
He's even less qualified than Hodgson.
Welp.How can this person even be considered at all to be candidate for England National Team here?
I mean, is there no better alternative?
Hell, getting those foreign coach should not be a bad idea right?
getting a foreign anything in this country might be a bad idea soon.
Uukhh. Brexit is really terrible all around.
It is like you wanted to see the whole England burn lol.^_^
MrS
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Howe is a good option, for sure. I'd like to see one of the aforementioned given a chance, honestly. They've earned the opportunity imo.
I would much prefer a foreign coach the list of English candidates is woeful apart from Eddie Howe, who I quite like.
I just a want a team that isn't hampered by poor tactical decision making and abject squad choices. Play in form players in their correct positions for start. Get a leader on the pitch. Fight, heart and determination is also required.
We have some decent players but poor defending in our league makes us believe they are better than they are.
Kane looks great at times but lacks pace and a trick or two to be amazing at international level. Get pace up front.
Rooney is NOT a midfielder at international level or any level for that matter, shouldnt even be playing in my opinion.
Walker is braindead, yeah hes quick going forward but cant defend to save his life. Clyne should have been first choice.
Sterling requires no words. Should never have made the squad
I just a want a team that isn't hampered by poor tactical decision making and abject squad choices. Play in form players in their correct positions for start. Get a leader on the pitch. Fight, heart and determination is also required.
We have some decent players but poor defending in our league makes us believe they are better than they are.
Kane looks great at times but lacks pace and a trick or two to be amazing at international level. Get pace up front.
Rooney is NOT a midfielder at international level or any level for that matter, shouldnt even be playing in my opinion.
Walker is braindead, yeah hes quick going forward but cant defend to save his life. Clyne should have been first choice.
Sterling requires no words. Should never have made the squad
On the plus side, you'd never have to waste 90 minutes watching them again if Big Sam got it. I'd love a foreign manager personally, but I doubt that will happen.
who's fault is it then? its the managers selection and tactics that were all wrong.
who chose to take Jack Wilshire despite only playing a handful of games last season. Or choosing Sterling over Townsend?
It's an easy scapegoat. The press can't blame the amount of money in the Premier League (for discouraging players from playing abroad) because most of them are owned by Murdoch and they're sure as hell not going to blame their own ridiculous expectations for overburdening the players.
That said, Hodgson has to bear his share of the blame because it's obvious that most of the issues on the pitch last night were to do with mentality and fatigue.
ExtremePopcorn
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The problem with the England job that it's such a poison chalice that you'll only attract no-hopers like Southgate, Hoddle etc or people at the end of their careers who are looking for one last big job like Allardyce.
I honestly can't see why you they can't appoint a part-time manager, you'll get a better quality of manager applying and someone who is involved day to day in football.
I honestly can't see why you they can't appoint a part-time manager, you'll get a better quality of manager applying and someone who is involved day to day in football.
Honey Bunny
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I'd say in this case it was almost entirely his (and his coaching staff's) fault.
- Terrible squad selection, picking reputation over form
- Forcing players into unfamiliar positions
- Tactical ineptitude and inability to adapt to on-the-field events
- Woeful set-piece preparation
- Inappropriate roles (eg Kane on corners etc etc)
- Inability to inspire his squad
- Looking like the bastard son of some unholy union between Mrs Doubtfire and a startled owl
MrS
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I liked Sven and he was decent but Capello wasn't good for England and his teams performance at the World Cup was tragic.
Hope they get an English manager but fair enough if they don't.
Shambalakan
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Honey Bunny
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Indeed Pellè works is underrated but I don't think he is at the same level of Toni.
Many forget that Toni was a scoring machine, one of the very few who scored 30 or more goals in Serie A in a single season.
In fact he scored more goals in Serie A than Inzaghi despite the seasons he played in Bundesliga (where he was again the top scorer of the league).
The current italian national team lacks talent (didn't help Verratti and Marchisio are injured) but it has one of he strongest team work in the past few decades.
Stiflers Mom
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He seems to be such a nice guy.
Wish he had more success, but I concur, that he did a lot of stupid decisions over the last few weeks.
He is. Too nice. Him and his net worth of over £10m will be just fine though.
I agree that Pelle is good at holding up play and far more skillful then people give him credit for but I think your memory is failing you. Luca Toni was a goal scoring machine. At his prime he averaged around a goal every 2 games at club level.
On a side note, England's best bet would be to hire Fergie for WC 2018. The current crop of candidates do not inspire much confidence.
PrivateRyan
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Pretty much. Just need to look at Conte and what he's done with the Italy squad to see what a difference a manager can make.
Really fancy Belgium to win this now. The Hungary game will have done wonders for their confidence and they've got a fantastic draw to get to the final.
I know Eredivisie has a (deserved) low reputation, but Pelle was nearly 1:1 during his tenure at Feyenoord. I meant the comparison with Toni in that he peaked very late in his life and is more of a goalgetter than a rounded player, so people immediately dismiss him as a workhorse, but Pelle, like Toni, has the right mentality in front of the goal. Yeah Toni is probably better when push comes to shove.
Why isn't Ferguson the main candidate? I figured he wouldn't want to do it?
Heebie Jeebies
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Rooney is surely going to announce his int. retirement soon. He can't cut it anymore. He should do a Messi and just give it up.
He is a nice bloke, but have no experience, nor the balls to manage a national team full of prima donnas.
Messi reaches at least some finals...
Fergie allegedly turned the job down twice before. He believes the team is overrated (by the media) and the pressure to win is immense. Thus, making it an impossible job.
Why on earth would he come out of retirement to manage this shit show?
What we need is a young and inventive, no BS taking recent ex-player manager from England. Sadly that doesn't really exist as yet. We need someone in the mould of Simeone or Guadiola who have come from successful teams and know what they are doing tactically and have the respect of the dressing room. Problem is a great deal of our recent international retirees have either proven to be tactical dunces or not overly bright. We'd have needed Pearce to be good, or Shearer or Sherringham, or for Ince or Robson to step up...but yeah that hasn't worked out. Hell, I'd love for Giggs to progress as I'd take him in a heartbeat if he can prove himself as a driving force. Sneaky dark horse - Ole Gunnar Solskjær
GoldenCrow
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Out of who is available as an English coach I'd go for Sherwood.
There's a lot more to the Messi retirement story. More players are renouncing as well. It all seems to be caused by a LOT of corruption at the Argentine Football Federation.
Info:
http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-lionel-messis-retirement-is-probably-just-a-threa-1782661520
"Last Decembers presidential election ended in a farce, when 75 voters somehow produced a 38-38 tie."
"Things have gotten so bad that on Friday FIFA stepped in to seize control of the AFA."
That is not a bad shout actually
Wouldn't be a bad appointment considering he would just bitch slap anyone who can't bother running. God knows these over-paid princesses need it.
Tactics Tim? no thanks i'd like us to win some games.
Confrontation
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Go on Big Sam.
The_Hitcher89
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What a week
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