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European Monthly Charts - October 2024: #1 PS5 (-29%), #2 NSW (-10%), #3 XBS (-49%); #1 COD BO6, #2 EA FC 24, #3 Sparking! Zero
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I remember the Storm of 2023
PS5 is in the perfect storm right now (Increased supply , God of War:R , The Last Of Us Show & Hogwarts Legacy )
The only thing in it's way for the next few months is Metroid Prime Remastered & Zelda Tears Of The Kingdom . Hogwarts Legacy releasing on current gen first most likely shift more people into the current generation than anything else that has happened in the last 2 years & it look like PS5 can...
jm89
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I remember the Storm of 2023
PS5 is in the perfect storm right now (Increased supply , God of War:R , The Last Of Us Show & Hogwarts Legacy )
The only thing in it's way for the next few months is Metroid Prime Remastered & Zelda Tears Of The Kingdom . Hogwarts Legacy releasing on current gen first most likely shift more people into the current generation than anything else that has happened in the last 2 years & it look like PS5 can...www.neogaf.com
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Well that’s on PlayStation for not having a game for this year isn’t it. The numbers are a fact no matter the excuse. The console needs a spark to reignite hardware sales in a big way and that spark will be GTA VI. If they can sell a bundle with the game for the price of the current console alone PS5 will outsell PS4 and maybe even towards Switch if it can price drop further in 2026.
Also why would I care about Xbox or Switch for that matter when I was commenting on PS5. Outselling Series consoles by 100x isn’t an achievement as the brand is dead and Switch is in it’s 8th year.
Unknown?
Member
2025 with absolutely NO momentum? Good luck. Series launched without exclusives, if the same happens the next box will not even take off. Most likely will be OG Xbox numbers worldwide.
What I explained to you is that the only reason it's down 29% is because last year was up by 143%
PS5 is at 65 million now & will be over 70 million after the holidays & will be at or close to 80 million when GTA6 launch .
Mibu no ookami
Banned
I think we have to remember there are 4 types of gamers.
| Core Casual Gamers | Core Hardcore Gamers |
| Non-Core Casual Gamers | Non-Core Hardcore Gamers |
Casual gamers tend to buy consoles during the holidays. Hardcore gamers buy consoles throughout the year and during the holidays in cases.
Core gamers play games that aren't just F2P or annual release titles.
A casual non-core gamer might buy a PS5 and just play Fortnite on it. They almost certainly got the PS5 for Christmas or something.
GTA6 is a type of game that all 4 player types will likely buy and the thing that benefits Microsoft is that there is still brand loyalty out there, especially as it relates to casual gamers (there is brand loyalty for hardcore gamers too, but there numbers are few despite how loud they are online).
GTA6 will push a tremendous number of Xbox units, simply from people who bought Xbox 360 and Xbox One.
Where they are in trouble is in launching a new system and casual gamers don't early adopt and hardcore gamers recognize the state of brand.
Exclusives really only help with hardcore gamers, and this is why Microsoft has decreased their emphasis on exclusive games. They've given up on the hardcore gamer and are going all in on casual gamers. That's why the focus is GamePass.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
And what I explained to you was that if Sony had a big exclusive game this year it wouldn’t be 29% down. You don’t have to make excuses for them.
That's not an excuse you're just acting slow at this point SMH & I'm being nice about it lol.
XXL
Member
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
I’m being slow? Okay. You’re being a fanboy more like. Sony fucked up their strategy this gen thus there isn’t a big first party game for this winter and that’s why PS5’s sales are down.
Yes slow as hell lol.
Look at the actual numbers PlayStation is doing great where is this messed up strategy that you speak of?
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I think context is needed here. PS5 decreased as it did because of the unusual 2023 year Sony had and the main reason wasn't Spider-Man 2. I think it was the year Sony sold the most home consoles in history as far as i know because they couldn't meet demand before that year. That's what artificially made sales so huge last year. Sales this year are more than fine overall. A console selling like 18M consoles in its 4th year is totally typical. Let's also not forget how things are changing now. Most Sony studios have yet to release their games this gen. GTAVI has yet to release, AND Playstation 5 not only has yet to suffer a price decrease, it actually increased its price. All this means that we can't really compare this gen with any others.
There's also the fact that after 4 years, we still have cross-gen titles. The biggest generation push is happening once PS4 stops getting cross-gen titles that still happen. GTAVI is the one game that surpasses that videogame audience and that alone will make PS5 sell millions of units.
I wouldn't be surprised if July 2025/June 2026 is PS5's peak in terms of sales during this gen. By June 2026 it will also have surpassed PS3's lifetime sales. And by then we're still going to have like 2 years before the PS6 releases. I also don't think Sony is killing the PS5 as fast as it killed the PS4 due to covid...
Overall PS5 will end up at around PS4 or even surpass it in the end. It all depends on how Sony handles PS5 production and its price going forward.
skit_data
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Richard Leadbetter?
Let's be honest there is no way that person looked at the data that was presented & came away from it believing that things was going bad for the console that sold almost 3X the Switch & 9X the Xbox Series. He looked at the console that was down 29% this October after being up 143% last October while ignoring the console that was down around 50% 2 Octobers in a row & said that it was the PS5 that needed help & messed up their strategy , he doesn't care about reality.
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HeWhoWalks
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100%
Luminoth-4545
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2024 compared to 2022.
PS5: +72%
NSW: -28%
XBS: -75%
Xbox sold pretty decent in 2021 and 2022 which fooled many to believe it would be more successful than Xbox One (including me), but since then it has nosedived horribly.
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Esparadrapo
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They are also barely getting by revenue wise. They still haven't recovered FY22 levels of revenue without ABK. C&S in FY24 is barely above FY22 at a 3.1% increase in two years. This quarter is projected to be flat for C&S and down overall due to hardware.
There's also the problem of sub services being stalled for two years according to Matt Piscatella. Further proofed by the 34m subs announced this February missing 2+ million subs from the last known numbers from Game Pass Plus Live before they were merged.
Whatever the strategy they had for this gen, it misfired royally.
XXL
Member
It's looks like Playstation just took Xbox's fanbase. Lol.
Unknown?
Member
It's Wii 2010/2011 levels of collapse.
XXL
Member
I don't think it's doing that great in the US recently either.
Esparadrapo
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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GTA6 isn't going to do much for Xbox globally. Maybe a College Football-style boost in America, but the system is too far dead to enjoy a big boost otherwise. PS5 will hoover up most of whatever boon Xbox could've gotten from GTA6.
The thing is, casuals and mainstream have already been aggressively targeted by Microsoft since 2020 with the Series S, and after early 2022 they just stopped caring gradually over time. Once PS5's supply situation improved, interest in Xbox began falling off a cliff, because Microsoft failed to capitalize on the shortages with meaningful exclusive game releases or major Game Pass deals for 3P AAA titles throughout 2021 and 2022.
Forza Horizon 5 may've been a great arcade racer but it was never going to move Xboxes on its own. Halo Infinite was too basic and a disappointment so it failed to capitalize. A couple AA GAAS shooters in Game Pass weren't going to sustain much long-term. Then last year MS had other opportunities with RedFall, a complete failure, and Starfield, yet another disappointment. This year they had Hellblade 2, a regression of everything that made the first game good, and a pretty large disappointment. Forza Motorsport had a joke launch and no one talks or cares about it anymore.
Aside from FH5 and Flight Sim the only notable 1P release Microsoft have had this gen that was both well-received, contributed some obvious good to the console and sorta did (or could have) give a slight boost to sales was HiFi Rush, and they followed that up by shutting down Tango Gameworks & selling the IP rights to Krafton. If there was a big audience of casuals and mainstream to drive Xbox hardware sales, we'd of seen it already with Hogwarts Legacy, we'd of seen it already with College Football and as I just said that only had somewhat an effect in America.
At best GTA6 will be the same; a decently hefty short-term boost for Xbox console sales in America but no effect in Asia and very minimal help in the majority of Europe. Casuals and mainstream who want GTA6 already have a PS5 or will be buying PS5s to play that game when it launches. Mindshare for Xbox consoles outside of enthusiasts online communities and parts of social media is practically either dying or dead.
Xbox Series fumbled the bag so hard, even GTA6 can't revive them.
EDIT: I'm talking about Xbox Series as it currently exists. While I don't think MS would have the volume to make it matter, if there is a new Xbox in 2025 and it's a repackaged Series X with some modular PC-like features and alternative storefront support (Steam, EGS, GOG etc) and support for more whitelisted Windows apps...then I can see GTA6 having some benefit for that type of system.
Again, nothing to really take away from what it'll do for PS5, but enough to be more meaningful than what it can do for current Series S & X. Though not in a meaningful way for casuals & mainstream in how a cheaper PS5 would.
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Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
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#SonyToo
You're gonna see a lot more of this, now that Xbox is basically circling the drain. 65 million consoles sold by the end of Year 4 of an 8 year generation is somehow a major failure, sony is COOKED, they're not prepared for what Xbox and PCMR has in store for them
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What is a non core hardcore gamer?
I truly believe many people in the video game media honestly don't understand just how bad Xbox is doing at the moment. Just look at these numbers. It's incredible how bad Phil and Microsoft have been over the last 5 years.
kazuyamishima
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More than anything, this is a Nintendo Shill.
But a lot of users underestimate that the Digital Slim will be on sale this Holiday Season and it wasn't last year.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
An example would be my friend. He puts hundreds of hours into Call of Duty, and bought a PS5 near launch. Might be a candidate for a PS5 Pro, but I wouldn't describe him as a core gamer. He only really plays Call of Duty. He doesn't play games like God of War. He'll probably buy GTA6, but outside of CoD, I bet he has at most 1 or 2 PS5 games.
Non Core hardcore gamers resemble casual gamers, but they don't buy just during the holidays and they are way more engaged than casual gamers and probably spend more overall money on games than Non-core casual gamers. He probably buys MTX on CoD for example.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
If they sell another 65 million in the coming 4 years then that’s great. If they continue to see hardware declines they’ll struggle to outsell PS4 which would be seen internally as a failure especially considering how PS5 was possibly the most hyped piece of console hardware ever released in 2020/2021.
Just to be clear. PS5 is my main platform, I bought it one day one. I just bought a Pro on day one. I bought PS Portal. I bought PSVR 2. I have had a Series X since launch and it’s been played less than 10% the time of my PS5 so I don’t give a fuck about console wars.
PlayStation has stumbled this gen by chasing GaaS and partially ignoring the very single player gamers that made PS3 and PS4 a success. They also can’t really price cut so it’s no surprise hardware sales are slowing down heading into year five.
GTA VI WILL significantly boost PS5 hardware sales and by then their single player games like Death Stranding 2, Ghost II and Wolverine will be out to bolster those sales. It will be fine.
My only point was it wasn’t good to be dropping 29% year on year this early outside of maybe comparing against Covid years. Just because they had one big exclusive last year doesn’t make a 29% drop excusable to executives and shareholders.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Very good insightful post. Thanks for the info. That makes total sense.
Felessan
Member
Your classification is twisted and illogical, very misleding.
If anything I would classify gamers as old-gen (mostly SP), you can call them core, vs new-gen (gaas). And separate axis is casual-softcore-hardcore-ultra hardcore split.
And alignment to Christmas is kinda wrong, there are maybe a bit of correlation but no clear dependency. Casual vs others are usually divided by the dedication, commitment and time spent (and a result a position of gaming hobby in overall interest). For casuals it's a low interest non-commited sporadic activity (and thus particular player style and particular choice of games)
And CoD players usually not casual players (those are now predominantly on mobile), they are normally at least softcore players.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Because it pretty much did.
You can look at the sale history between the two, it's always in the same ballpark combined and part of the installbases jump over from one to the other:
PS2: 160M
Xbox: 24M
Total: 184M
PS3: 87M
X360: 84M
Total: 171M
PS4: 117M
XBO: 58M
Total: 176M
Now we see PS5 +72% and XBS -75% comparing 2024 sales to 2022 sales.
It's a clear pattern.
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That's why it's always laughable when Xbox fans claim that the Xbox installbase will just move onto PC.
It's a completely different market and demographic.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
Helps if you actually read what someone says. You have a comprehension issue.
Felessan
Member
No, I'm not
I pointed in the first sentence that your "classification" is just random bullshit full of holes. It's not how gamers usually classified, it's inconsistent and full of personal subjective judgements
First - there is more than just casual and hardcore. You can't batch together line-of-three, 5 hours a week, 5 hours a day and 10 hours a day with "any means necessary to win" type of players
Second - non-core hardcore resembling casual is just
On average "non-core" hardcore are much more hardcore than SP games hardcore and their ultra-hardcore part (those play-2-win metagame crowd) in order of magnitude more populous and dedicated. Playing one game for hundreds and thousand hours actually requires more dedication and commitment than any SP gameYour classification reeks of midcore/light-hardcore player of SP games who has little idea how the rest of gaming population are structured, so you made "I'm core hardcore and rest are some random bullshit" classification
Alan Wake
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It's abysmal. I can see in my country how some retailers barely bother to stock physical Xbox games anymore. I can understand why. And apparently having CoD on Game Pass didn't make people want to buy an Xbox. I don't think Microsoft care about hardware sales at all at this point.
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Esparadrapo
Banned
They very much care but Microsoft devised a strategy and are following it thoroughly. It's just that they never imagined the market rejecting them so frontally.
I still think they are fine turning into a third party but losing the only market they are still relevant in is a major setback for whatever plans they got to snatch the cloud market they are touting as the future.
By the time that future comes, if at all, the mindshare will have forgotten them.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Perfectly said. This idea that the PS5 is somehow "failing" because it is a tad behind PS4 is not only laughable, but totally lacks any realistic context to be taken serious. Considering all the shots against it (particularly a global pandemic), it's doing pretty freakin' good and yes, being just -29% after a huge surplus of 143% is fine. In the end, I have no doubt that it will pass the PS4!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And the worse offenders to me is the mainstream video game media. They seem to be so clueless to me that it's laughable.
Icymanipulator
Member
I’m pretty confident that they could give dragon age away for free and it will would never hit the numbers that Harry Potter has done .
Loomy
Banned
No shit. One of one of the biggest IPs on the planet in the history of everything, and the other is a somewhat niche RPG