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EuropeGAF: This map shows which stolen lands you live

NecrosaroIII

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Around 50 bce, Julius Caesar lead a campaign of conquest against indigenous people of Europe. He wiped several civilizations off the face of the planet.

The people living in modern day France and Germany are living off stolen land. The descendants of the gallic tribes deserve to have their existence legitimized and reparations made.
 

NecrosaroIII

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Sakura

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The culture and language may have disappeared but the people didn't. Unless you think all French etc are just descended from Romans.
 

SJRB

Gold Member
Finally someone is stepping up against the unjustice that was delt upon me 2000 years ago! Now give me money for all the suffering I went through.
 

Arkam

Member
While I fully appreciate the tongue in cheek poke that the OP is making. I also think this concept is something the majority of the west could stand to relearn.

The world as we know it is just a moment in time that is ever fleeting. There is no normal or such. All those lines you see on maps and call countries are imaginary. They will continue to come and go like the rain.

it’s like the fools who think extinction is always bad and must always be stopped.... people with zero perspective.
 

Ballthyrm

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France (my country) was still actively destroying Cultures in metropolitan France well into the 20th century.

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My Grand father was forced to learn French as a child by the State. "French" is just the language from Paris that was imposed on everyone else.
 

jufonuk

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France (my country) was still actively destroying Cultures in metropolitan France well into the 20th century.

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My Grand father was forced to learn French as a child by the State. "French" is just the language from Paris that was imposed on everyone else.
The longer I live here the more I realise France is just a collection of countries that want to be separate but also part of France. You have Basque areas Occitan Corsica who wants to leave France.

yeah I’m not a Frenchman. This is just my view. Lol
 

DESTROYA

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And where’s the rest of Europe like my home country Greece?
We just celebrated our 200th year of Greek independence from the Ottoman empire, and they are still trying to take our land.
Fuck the Turkish government, bunch of crooked pigs.
 
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Ballthyrm

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The longer I live here the more I realise France is just a collection of countries that want to be separate but also part of France. You have Basque areas Occitan Corsica who wants to leave France.

yeah I’m not a Frenchman. This is just my view. Lol

The fun part for me is when people speak about "Germany" or "Italy" when both of these countries are very recent concepts.
You can see it clearly in how many medium to large cities they have and how different each part is.

France and the UK have been centralized for a long time, France just went one step further and annihilated its own cultures.
At least the UK kept Scotland, Wales, Northern Island, etc.
 
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France (my country) was still actively destroying Cultures in metropolitan France well into the 20th century.

main-qimg-b930c62f182457851249e4453f442cd6.webp


My Grand father was forced to learn French as a child by the State. "French" is just the language from Paris that was imposed on everyone else.
I don't know too much about it, but did this start with the revolution and the Vendée? I also remember reading something about Gauls and Franks being separate peoples, is there any truth to that?
 

Alx

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The longer I live here the more I realise France is just a collection of countries that want to be separate but also part of France. You have Basque areas Occitan Corsica who wants to leave France.

yeah I’m not a Frenchman. This is just my view. Lol

Corsica and Pays Basque are quite specific in that they still have some proponents for separation from France. Other areas are more about having local cultures while still being fine with belonging to a larger country. There aren't many people of Brittany that want to be independent, but most of them are proud to be Britton.

I don't know too much about it, but did this start with the revolution and the Vendée? I also remember reading something about Gauls and Franks being separate peoples, is there any truth to that?
It's a bit earlier than that, it started with François 1st in 16th century. French was defined as the single official language of the country in 1539.
Also yeah the Gauls and the Franks were two different people (Franks come from the German area IIRC). France takes its name from the Franks because they were the first to unite the country with a single authority, while the Gauls were a mix of independent tribes.
 
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Corsica and Pays Basque are quite specific in that they still have some proponents for separation from France. Other areas are more about having local cultures while still being fine with belonging to a larger country. There aren't many people of Brittany that want to be independent, but most of them are proud to be Britton.


It's a bit earlier than that, it started with François 1st in 16th century. French was defined as the single official language of the country in 1539.
Also yeah the Gauls and the Franks were two different people (Franks come from the German area IIRC). France takes its name from the Franks because they were the first to unite the country with a single authority, while the Gauls were a mix of independent tribes.
I'm assuming then that the Gauls were Frankified eventually after unification. How does Occitania fit in here? Is it a cultural identity that evolved seperately, or is it more geographical?
 

Alx

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I'm assuming then that the Gauls were Frankified eventually after unification. How does Occitania fit in here? Is it a cultural identity that evolved seperately, or is it more geographical?
Occitania seems to have been gobbled up by the Frank conquest like other areas. That didn't prevent the development of local culture though, as we can see in the map of the OP, there was a large diversity of local cultures all around the country, even with a single king ruling on all of them.
Of course the history of the different areas are more complex than their global administration, all regions were influenced by the neighboring countries, migration flows, wars and invasions...

Frank areas after conquests by Clovis 1st :
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Frank areas after conquest by Charles the Great :
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You’re absolutely right OP but I can’t imagine reparations being made when there’s nobody around to make them to. Enforced assimilation man. Same thing that happened to the Indians when the British showed up to pillage their land, but fortunately the Redskins are still alive and well in modern America.
 

V1LÆM

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i don't see the UK here.... typical americans can't tell the difference between Europe + European Union.

hint: one is a continent and one is a political/economic union.

i know we (UK) left the EU but we certainty didn't leave the European continent.
 

Jon Neu

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Corsica and Pays Basque are quite specific in that they still have some proponents for separation from France.

The french Basque Country and the Pyrénées Orientales (also known as North Catalonia) are literally remnants of the Basque Country and Catalonia that were once absorbed by France. Having their mirror on the Basque Country and Catalonia it's what maintains in those territories a sense of uniqueness separated from France.

Catalonia lost what it's known today as North Catalonia by the treaty of the Pyrenees, in which Spain ceded those territories to France in exchange of France's renunciation of the formal protection that it had given to the recently founded Catalan Republic.

Catalonia, once again, was betrayed by it's allies and paid the consequences.
 

QSD

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wow learned a lot about history of France here

Even my own tiny country (Netherlands) has an official 2nd language minority (Frisians) that's been there since the olden days. Also, when Dutch people from the "deep south" (Limburg) appear on TV, they sometimes subtitle them to improve intelligibility.
 
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