sono
Gold Member
As a nuanced reply I called the winner which ended up getting the most public votes. Folk can sing about what they like.
Eurovision GAF
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Roufianos
Member
This is a seriously dumb take. People should sing in their native languages - or else you just end up with a load of cheap sounding American pop songs.
Well, don't expect me to connect with their exceptionally emotional lyrics that they try extra hard to sell with all those exagerated gestures...and vote for them 'cose, you know, i don't care to learn german, i really don't. Fuck it.
Think i'm alone in this one?
FatallyYours
Member
2 week warning for the absolute worst/best music show in the world
Be there, or be square!
Be there, or be square!
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Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Never been the same since Terry Wogan stopped doing it.
I know he is RIP but he wasn't when he stood back from hosting it.
I know he is RIP but he wasn't when he stood back from hosting it.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Finland will take a triple victory with Bara Bada Bastu, Ich Komme and Espresso Macchiato
Will love to see it
Will love to see it
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
Oh, another Eurovision is coming? Was not even aware. Hope their electric grid survives that one.2 week warning for the absolute worst/best music show in the world
Be there, or be square!
Baemono
Member
Sometimes it's so bad it becomes good
Great Auk
Banned
I am so happy that Greece is using Greek and not English in their chosen song. Are there more countries dumping English this year in favor of their native language? I think it's more than usual this year.
I grew up spending summers in Greece, listening to the radio, and hearing songs in French, Spanish, Italian, etc., in addition to Greek music and the American pop stuff. I never had a probelm enjoying a song that was in a language that I didn't understand.
I wish more countries would use their native language for Eurovision.
I grew up spending summers in Greece, listening to the radio, and hearing songs in French, Spanish, Italian, etc., in addition to Greek music and the American pop stuff. I never had a probelm enjoying a song that was in a language that I didn't understand.
I wish more countries would use their native language for Eurovision.
No, it's too similar to our last year's only much worse on all accounts.
100%. Making it in English just takes the culture out of it.
T.v
Member
I am glad he got disqualified. Guy was always a certified dumb cunt with a horrible act.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Think this year is a bit of a turd, there's only like 3 that I like.
FatallyYours
Member
So like every year then!
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
Maybe, but I liked quite a few of last years entries and still listen to them on occassion, same with 2021.
I also think I've heard it like a million times in Eurovision. It's really formulaic.
Laptop1991
Member
It's a waste of time now, i mean it was never great songs anyway apart from a few here and there, but everyone votes along nationality lines and not the actual songs, Terry Wogan used to be a laugh though and he quit in the end because the voting wasn't about the songs.
kevboard
Member
isn't that the default for most ESC songs?
in germany we had a Nu-Metal and a Folk Metal band in the pre shows... both voted out in favour of another electropop song... yay...
it's always dance pop, electro pop, power pop, and if they feel daring it's gonna be an art pop song...
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Great Auk
Banned
I want to hear ethnic music in Eurovision, not 30 American songs. So damned boring and done to death.
kevboard
Member
would black metal count as Norwegian ethnic music at this point?
lol.
but one big issue of the ESC are its rules. songs can not exceed 3min runtime, need to use instrument backing tracks with live vocals (no live instruments allowed), and only 6 band members allowed on stage.
I can not think of a single song I truly think is an amazing song that's 3min or shorter.
the closest I can think of is Nature of Mind by Glass Ocean which is 3:14. so even that song would need to be shortened in spots to fit their rules. with some songs you can do that to an extent, but even then it often sounds weird.
like when Lordi had to cut most guitar parts out of Hard Rock Hallelujah to cut it down from 4 to 3 minutes.
and not allowing live instruments also makes everything sounds so artificial on stage... of course not much of an issue for 80% of the songs as they're just pop songs, but always feels weird when an actual band is on stage.
now imagine folk music with traditional instruments onnstage, and none of them is allowed to actually play and instead there's a backing track and they just act along.
the whole things just needs an overhaul IMO
ForAcademicPurposes
Gold Member
Did I just come into Eurovision thread with no boobas?
As Morpheus would say: show me
As Morpheus would say: show me
I didn't know they don't allow live instruments, I thought they had a violin or piano at some points.would black metal count as Norwegian ethnic music at this point?
lol.
but one big issue of the ESC are its rules. songs can not exceed 3min runtime, need to use instrument backing tracks with live vocals (no live instruments allowed), and only 6 band members allowed on stage.
I can not think of a single song I truly think is an amazing song that's 3min or shorter.
the closest I can think of is Nature of Mind by Glass Ocean which is 3:14. so even that song would need to be shortened in spots to fit their rules. with some songs you can do that to an extent, but even then it often sounds weird.
like when Lordi had to cut most guitar parts out of Hard Rock Hallelujah to cut it down from 4 to 3 minutes.
and not allowing live instruments also makes everything sounds so artificial on stage... of course not much of an issue for 80% of the songs as they're just pop songs, but always feels weird when an actual band is on stage.
now imagine folk music with traditional instruments onnstage, and none of them is allowed to actually play and instead there's a backing track and they just act along.
the whole things just needs an overhaul IMO
Which is weird because they used to have a full live orchestra back in the day, which made everything so much more impactful.
I don't know if the 3min limit is wrong considering there are so many songs, and I think you can def tell a story in 3 min if done wisely.
Great Auk
Banned
would black metal count as Norwegian ethnic music at this point?
lol.
but one big issue of the ESC are its rules. songs can not exceed 3min runtime, need to use instrument backing tracks with live vocals (no live instruments allowed), and only 6 band members allowed on stage.
I can not think of a single song I truly think is an amazing song that's 3min or shorter.
the closest I can think of is Nature of Mind by Glass Ocean which is 3:14. so even that song would need to be shortened in spots to fit their rules. with some songs you can do that to an extent, but even then it often sounds weird.
like when Lordi had to cut most guitar parts out of Hard Rock Hallelujah to cut it down from 4 to 3 minutes.
and not allowing live instruments also makes everything sounds so artificial on stage... of course not much of an issue for 80% of the songs as they're just pop songs, but always feels weird when an actual band is on stage.
now imagine folk music with traditional instruments onnstage, and none of them is allowed to actually play and instead there's a backing track and they just act along.
the whole things just needs an overhaul IMO
What a ridiculous set of rules.
And the time limitations are absurd, 3 minutes? All they'd have to do is make it 4 minutes and just that one extra minute would make a world of difference.
Great Auk
Banned
The time shouldn't be unlimited or anything, but very few songs are under 3 minutes and the vast majority are between 3 and 4 minutes long.
One extra minute is all they really need.
kevboard
Member
every instrument on stage is muted/not plugged in basically. what you hear is just the backing track straight from the album version.
it wasn't always like this, and yes, there was originally an orchestra even. since the late 90s it's all a backing track.
I doubt it. What you say in 4 min you can say in 3 min. And that rule is in effect since the 60's. And there were great songs since.
Limitations breeds creativity.
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kevboard
Member
well most artists don't write music specifically for this show, which means that many of them (most actually if you go outside the realms of pop music) will then have songs that are longer than 3 minutes.
this then means that they will need to trim down an already written and composed song.
so now it's not about creativity anymore, it's about looking where you can cut stuff out. a similar issue that many songs ran into in the past when releasing a radio cut or music video cut as many stations refused to play longer songs.
doing this can lead to serious issues as the cut needs to be made basically invisible. given that they have to play a backing track on stage it's not even like the bands can just on the spot adjust the songs... which leaves you with 2 options. 1: take the literal album version and edit it, which means you can't just cut anywhere. or 2: you record a whole new studio version for this one event so that everything fits better.
it also kinda makes some genres automatically not possible. the only actually decent prog rock song you'll find that would fit here for example is probably something like The Spider by Kansas... which is entirely instrumental (and how it can be this short to begin with) and wouldn't even be allowed lol.
Tom Sawyer by Rush is among the shortest popular prog songs, and is still longer than 4min, same with Limelight by Rush.
this of course comes down to the fact that basically the entire genre is based on melodic progression... where do you progress towards in under 3min?
I get that, but part of the rules is also creating an original song. This means they have to write it for the show, I don't see any reason why any genre should be excluded.
3 min is a enough time to create. Not to mention the show is already painfully long.
sono
Gold Member
When did I miss the UK voting
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
You just described the last decades of Eurovision. If the contributions actually had the unique flavours of each European country I'd probably still watch it, as it's a perfect opportunity to eat fruit sallad and lots of candy. But as it stands it's just Temu America-pop at best. At worst it's transwomen with beards or people making political stands.
Laptop1991
Member
ABBA Waterloo, i can't think of another one off the top of my head.
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RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
The Eurovision contest always falls on the North West 200 motorbike race over here in Northern Ireland and myself and few mates spend the weekend drinking beer like we're 18 and watching the bikes zip past and the missus she always throws a Eurovision party in our house for the kids and her friends, well I'm not gonna make the NW200 this year :-( so I guess I'll be in here with you degenerates watching this nonsense
sono
Gold Member
What the hell
Wildebeest
Member
The songs being in English puts the UK at a disadvantage because every in Europe hates British accents and can barely understand them at the best of times.
I think UK, France, Germany, send shitty songs because they don't want to host this.
FatallyYours
Member
It's been years since the UK had a decent song. Nowt different there
Where as I agree that 4 or 5 minute songs would mix things up, imagine how long the show would be. It's already bloated. If every group decided to add 1 minute, the final would be 25 minutes longer. If each band had 5 minute songs....
That's also part of the reason for no individual live instruments. Bringing them on, setting them up, then taking them off at the end of each song. It's not realistic unless you're happy with a show that goes on until the early hours
Welcome. Feel free to drink stupid amounts still. In fact I'd say you'd need it to put up with the rubbish
Reizo Ryuu
Member
UK is actually one of the very few I like
