didn't noticed the Wii U logo before.
Every PS4 won't come bundled with an EyeToy after all? Image Inside.
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didn't noticed the Wii U logo before.
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The Everyman
This actually kinda pushes me more toward pc only. Ps4 isnt going to have much to distinguish itself from pc at this rate except for the ram. If the exclusives are awesome then of course I'll be there but I was really excited for move adoption this gen and this kinda kills that.
Live streams without faces? kind of defeats the whole purpose unless you're watching a game before release. Love live streams
qa_engineer
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Sounds like a lot of opinion and very few facts to me. Not going to argue with you, buddy.
sublimit
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I don't find it surprising that some known Xbox one fans here say that it should have been bundled.
It's like buying a car and feel disappointed that you don't have to buy a "bundled" cd player even though you'll be always playing MP3s.
Choice is always good for the consumer and unless you are someone who loves playing games by waving his arms and body,i can't see how making Kinect mandatory is good for someone that detests motion gaming.
Same goes for PSeye,Move etc.Give me a controller and that's all i need.Why should i have to pay for something that i'll never use?I'm sure there's a huge number of people who thinks so as well.
It's like buying a car and feel disappointed that you don't have to buy a "bundled" cd player even though you'll be always playing MP3s.
Choice is always good for the consumer and unless you are someone who loves playing games by waving his arms and body,i can't see how making Kinect mandatory is good for someone that detests motion gaming.
Same goes for PSeye,Move etc.Give me a controller and that's all i need.Why should i have to pay for something that i'll never use?I'm sure there's a huge number of people who thinks so as well.
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The Everyman
Fair enough but some of us might have preffered that the classic controller be the optional one
Again, I don't think we should let our experiences with what was basically a broken prototype judge the potential uses of the new kinect. Really it's going to have it's biggest use as a hopefully intuitive way to navigate the console and in terms of games it would be for smaller supplementary features, (like the heart rate and expression detection) not necessarily full on waving your hands about silliness like last time around. I think there are useful ways in which it can augment the experience, really I think a potential huge future will be illumiroom which they have not spoken much about yet but I bet it will feature big in their e3 conference.
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test_account
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You only need one camera though, and if that is included with every PS4, it would mean that you should have one even if you buy a 2nd or 3rd Dualshock 4.
paradise_circus
Member
Considering the touch pad or share button doesn't require the camera, I think there are still some notable differences with the new controller outside of the light-bar/ ps eye combo. Considering what we know of motion controls thus far, it will be up to Sony to show why we should want one bundled in.
Yes, many people who are informed wouldn't think that the PS Eye comes with the controller but these captions are usually for people who are VERY uninformed.
You ever see the packing of console accessories in which the box has a message that says "system not included"?
It's like, "duh... of course not", BUT they add it there for (really uninformed) people who may assume that it's in there.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
It's pwetty and if it's anything wike the Move LED, it'll be able to dispway many pwetty cowers.
Seriously though I'm pretty sure that DS4 won't become a Move controller just because you have a PSeye right? Otherwise the Media Molecule guys would've used DS4's for their puppet dance instead of Moves.
QuikZilver
Member
Big hit to any type of innovation.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Would suck if true. Sony is never going to get widespread dev support for the camera if it's not a pack in thing.
HiredN00bs
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I received an NES in 1992 and primarily gamed on Nintendo systems thru Gamecube and DS. I started playing Halo 2 in 2005, and since then, I've primarily played Halo games until now. With Destiny coming to PS4, comparing currently anticipated features against those of Xbox One, the PS4 looks to be my next primary console.
That's not to say I didn't play on other hardware during these periods, by the way. I had a Commodore 64, Sega Genesis, PC, Sony Playstation, PS2, Wii, PSP, and most recently, a PS3 and 3DS.
I very much dislike the ways Microsoft exploits its loyal customers, specifically Halo fans and can't wait to play a new Bungie game on a non-Microsoft system.
I think it's a win win for Sony to bundle the PS4 Eye.
1) Customers
By having Sony subsidize the cost of the PS4 Eye. We would only be paying an extra $0-$20 depending on how much Sony wants to take a loss (assuming it costs Sony $20 to make one). So customers wanting a Eye won't have to spend an extra $30-$40 buying an Eye separately.
2) Developers
Developers will know 100% that there's a Eye for every PS4 sold. Meaning that they can include Eye features, or make move games knowing that everyone has one.
3) Sony
They may be losing money up front but they will earn it back from game licenses, more [motion] games being made for PS4, more games sold and more move controllers sold. It is easier for customers to swallow the pill to buy a Move controller(s) instead of also needing to buy a PS4 Eye.
It would also mean that the PS4 matches Xbox One features. So no/less Kinnect "exclusive" 3rd parties games.
1) Customers
By having Sony subsidize the cost of the PS4 Eye. We would only be paying an extra $0-$20 depending on how much Sony wants to take a loss (assuming it costs Sony $20 to make one). So customers wanting a Eye won't have to spend an extra $30-$40 buying an Eye separately.
2) Developers
Developers will know 100% that there's a Eye for every PS4 sold. Meaning that they can include Eye features, or make move games knowing that everyone has one.
3) Sony
They may be losing money up front but they will earn it back from game licenses, more [motion] games being made for PS4, more games sold and more move controllers sold. It is easier for customers to swallow the pill to buy a Move controller(s) instead of also needing to buy a PS4 Eye.
It would also mean that the PS4 matches Xbox One features. So no/less Kinnect "exclusive" 3rd parties games.
Ahh right fine. Now that makes sense.
What kind of support though. As far as games I don't see either the Kinect OR the PS eye getting huge support for the peripheral outside of 1 or 2 huge games.
If anything the support will come more from the OS level stuff.
I'm fine with this. Most people could care less about the camera especially if it adds to the cost. If we get a $350-$400 system as a result of it not being a pack in then this his a huge win for Sony in my book.
TheMasterGoblin
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The video is about the Dual Shock 4, not the PS4.
Any reference at the end is in relation to the Dual Shock 4, which is sold separately from the PS4, and is generally (if ever) not going to be sold with a Playstation 4 Camera.
No valid conclusions about the bundling of the PS4 and Playstation 4 Camera can be made from this disclaimer.
Any reference at the end is in relation to the Dual Shock 4, which is sold separately from the PS4, and is generally (if ever) not going to be sold with a Playstation 4 Camera.
No valid conclusions about the bundling of the PS4 and Playstation 4 Camera can be made from this disclaimer.
That's Ustream icon. lol
Yup. We use U Stream for live streaming events where I work. Been using them for the last couple of years. Solid service, never any issues with them.
willskate4free
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They could be talking about the camera not being packed with the controllers ... Ya know... How if you buy a controller (stand alone) it won't come with the camera, but the system still can and probably will come with.... Working retail I see this a good bit with items.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
and it looks almost the same as the german metro/subway
'U' tends to look similar to 'U'
Waggle =/= innovation.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Does anyone know if the PSeye was always supplied with the PS3/PS2 dev kits as standard?
It seems to be built-in on the PS4 dev kit. Wouldn't that indicate Sony were at least thinking about including it from the get go?
I just think it would be weird for Sony to not bundle it in their biggest market. Especially when their rival will.
It seems to be built-in on the PS4 dev kit. Wouldn't that indicate Sony were at least thinking about including it from the get go?
I just think it would be weird for Sony to not bundle it in their biggest market. Especially when their rival will.
You'll be happy to pay the same price and get less for it, then?
Depends on what the "waggle" is used for and/or it's implementation.
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The Everyman
high precision motion control on the other hand...
TheDarkKnight774
Member
This is a stretch. Do they disclaimer that the controller doesn't include a PS4?
Is the camera was standard they wouldn't mention it. Just like I'm sure there's no disclaimer for any kinect videos MS has
IHaveCandy
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PS4 500 GB- $400
PS4 1TB + Camera- $500
PS4 1TB + Camera- $500
Glorified G
Member
Yay for options
You're under the incorrect assumption that ps4eye can match Kinect in features and is as easy to develop for. My guess is that even if the ps4 eye is included most 3rd parties won't code for it because Kinect will be both more capable and easier to implement in games. Thus that would be $20 Sony throws down the drain and with 100 million consoles that adds up. If consumers want it let them purchase on their own dime.
I always assumed this would be the case, I didn't know many people thought otherwise. Microsoft goes for a bit cheaper internal hardware and bundles Kinect, Sony goes for more powerful hardware and focuses on traditional games while selling the Eye separately. I always assumed we knew it would be like that.
famousmortimer
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I think you're under the incorrect assumption that developers are going to use the kinect in any meaningful way with core games. It will be stupid stuff like voice recognition and basic body tracking... and it will mostly be dumb, much like tacked on six axis stuff was with the ps3.
There *may* be some innovation in the kinect only space as it does seem like a more powerful piece of tech. But there's no way multiplats will be doing anything more than rudimentary things so they can check a box on their feature list. Which the eye can do.
Which, for the record, I DO NOT WANT, so personally i'm quite pleased to not have it forced on me.
vpance
Member
They'll develop to the lowest common denominator in camera features, just like with CPU and GPU power.
My thoughts exactly.
Which Microsoft press conference was it? 2011? Where they spent like 15 minutes talking about how Kinect makes Mass Effect 3 and Ghost Recon: Future Soldier better? Anyway, they were some tacky voice command and gun customization features, IIRC. The former of which I'm pretty sure was possible in the PS3 version of Binary Domain with a simple headset. Might be wrong, though.
Acrylic7
Member
hmmm, I think this might be a bad move on Sonys part.
I know gamers want to save a few bucks but this is going to split potential sales on future hardware and most importantly software.
If the ps4 comes with a eyetoy then every Playstation 4 owner will have one. If not then developers and publishers will share a sense of worry and failures coming from a device that a majority of people dont have, and another large proportion of gamers trading it in for Gamestop credit.
If every ps4 owner has one then at least devs and publishers know that there is an install base, unlike the fake ones that Sony makes up. At least that how I see it.
If every Playstation3 had an eyetoy I would wager that we would have far better software that is built from the ground up made specifically for move and body controls. Not just by artsy developers like MM or mediocre devs, but by big developers as well.
If Sony wants this to work to their benefit I dont see why they would sell a Sku without the Eye. I dont like Kinect but Microsoft knows that forcing it to people will still guarantee that people have them in their homes.
I know gamers want to save a few bucks but this is going to split potential sales on future hardware and most importantly software.
If the ps4 comes with a eyetoy then every Playstation 4 owner will have one. If not then developers and publishers will share a sense of worry and failures coming from a device that a majority of people dont have, and another large proportion of gamers trading it in for Gamestop credit.
If every ps4 owner has one then at least devs and publishers know that there is an install base, unlike the fake ones that Sony makes up. At least that how I see it.
If every Playstation3 had an eyetoy I would wager that we would have far better software that is built from the ground up made specifically for move and body controls. Not just by artsy developers like MM or mediocre devs, but by big developers as well.
If Sony wants this to work to their benefit I dont see why they would sell a Sku without the Eye. I dont like Kinect but Microsoft knows that forcing it to people will still guarantee that people have them in their homes.
I don't see myself ever wanting to use either the Kinect or PSeye. Well, unless it's made to work with the Oculus Rift in some way that doesn't suck.
Also this is relevant to what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0-dsbeasgA
Also this is relevant to what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0-dsbeasgA