Evolution of different Humans race : Myths, facts and everything in between

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People are different. They way we look. They way we live. There is a difference. Some are positive some are negative but it what makes us human.

There are stereotype and there are facts. Hopefully in this thread we will discuss scientifically about the issues.
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Migration of humans based on DNA

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Race difference in asia alone

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Both above images are from wiki. There is so much to discuss and so many subtopic i can think of. The most interesting is how close some time the humans can live yet look totally different after few generation in same climate. Africa is another place. Congo pygmy are example of something different then surrounding.

Also in India you can actually see the difference between people as you travel north to south and east to west. East becomes more and more Chinese like.

I don't know weather here we can discuss how fundamentally people are but if mod says we can i am up for it. Only thing is say something based on research and it will have weight.

and finally DNA clustering

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human race based on neighbor joining method

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There is a difference between us and it is a fact. It is a fascinating little planet we live in.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
On a genetic level the differences are so minuscule as to be irrelevant.
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But miniscule genetic differences result in actual statistically signifcant differences between races. Penis size being the one that is politically correct to talk about for some reason. Most people then categorically deny any other differences can exist, even though the penis size issue would suggest there certainly could be statistically singificant differences in other areas as well. Of course, it may be better for society as a whole that we do not discuss the possibility of other differences, so I am not opposed to the politically correct treatment of this issue.
 
I suppose you could bring up the theories of human migration out of Africa and how that might have led to the development of different ethnicities. I won't do it for you because I don't care enough.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
On a genetic level the differences are so minuscule as to be irrelevant.
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Not when it comes to certain aspects such as celiac disease, sickle cell or lactose tolerence which are genetically traceable.

Count me in as bewildered by the OP and I have taken a considerable amount of anthropology courses.
 
It's really just superficial differences... fortunately we are so genetically similar that we don't have to deal with the issues that would arise if some people actually were genetically superior/inferior. It's bad enough what we have to deal with already, with people falsely believing these significant differences exist.

At least the science reinforces our commonality... I'm actually glad neanderthals and such no longer exist. What a mess that would be. Since we so often just cannot sort anything out reasonably and humanely.
 
quaere said:
But miniscule genetic differences result in actual statistically signifcant differences between races. Penis size being the one that is politically correct to talk about for some reason. Most people then categorically deny any other differences can exist, even though the penis size issue would suggest there certainly could be statistically singificant differences in other areas as well. Of course, it may be better for society as a whole that we do not discuss the possibility of other differences, so I am not opposed to the politically correct treatment of this issue.
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We're all a part of the same species which is proven by our ability to interbreed with each other. Over the course of 200,000 years there have been some genetic difference as our ancestors adapted to the environment or changed through sexual selection, but you better provide hard evidence if you're going to discuss how any genetic difference between "races" results in any perceived interiority/superiority.

For instance we could talk about how most sprinters are black but apparently people of African descent aren't as superior in that regard as people think and that caucasians of a European descent are capable of running equally as fast. By that I am of course referring to the idea of fast twitch muscle fibres, which are only slightly less numerous (not enough to account for the black domination of the sprinting events) in white Europeans when compared with their black counterparts.

I really don't think humans have been around long enough for there to be enough significant genetic drift.
 
I'm reasonably confident that this thread exists as a response to another thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513550

As another poster in this thread mentioned, accepting these superficial racial stereotypes, as benign as they are, opens the door for much more serious stereotypes like differences in intelligence, character, and focus. If an Asian woman's breasts can (on average) be smaller than a white woman's, then surely it's also possible that she is more intelligent (on average) than a white woman.

As soon as we accept some differences can exist, then it's at least plausible that other differences exist as well.
 
Wasn't there science article about everyone except for Africans have parts of Neanderthal DNA inside of them. Hence we all are similar and interbreeding occurred between homo sapiens and neanderthals.

Also our phenotypic character changes can be attributed to our environment and how the human like other animal adapted to their physical/phenotypic attributes.
 
Racial tension is something I can never take seriously. Everyone just wants to be happy and that is it. All the smack people want to talk and believe is just to elevate one's self esteem by something totally meaningless (it is pure luck that determines what race you are and you earned nothing so it is no accomplishment). Many differences in traits and which traits being 'superior' is highly debatable and many are constructs of our media (which is a construct of other humans).
 
Zapages said:
Wasn't there science article about everyone except for Africans have parts of Neanderthal DNA inside of them. Hence we all are similar and interbreeding occurred between homo sapiens and neanderthals.
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They now believe that Neanderthals and Humans got those similar gene from an earlier ancestor.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
We're all a part of the same species which is proven by our ability to interbreed with each other. Over the course of 200,000 years there have been some genetic difference as our ancestors adapted to the environment or changed through sexual selection, but you better provide hard evidence if you're going to discuss how any genetic difference between "races" results in any perceived interiority/superiority.

For instance we could talk about how most sprinters are black but apparently people of African descent aren't as superior in that regard as people think and that caucasians of a European descent are capable of running equally as fast. By that I am of course referring to the idea of fast twitch muscle fibres, which are only slightly less numerous (not enough to account for the black domination of the sprinting events) in white Europeans when compared with their black counterparts.

I really don't think humans have been around long enough for there to be enough significant genetic drift.
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I did provide hard evidence. Penis size. And as Opiate points out, breast size as well. And I certainly did not say anything about genertic inferiority or superiority.
 
Opiate said:
As another poster in this thread mentioned, accepting these superficial racial stereotypes, as benign as they are, opens the door for much more serious stereotypes like differences in intelligence, character, and focus. If an Asian woman's breasts can (on average) be smaller than a white woman's, then surely it's also possible that she is also more intelligent (on average) than a white woman.

As soon as we accept some differences can exist, then it's at least plausible that other differences exist as well.
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Do you personally think there is a genetic difference in intelligence between races?
 
quaere said:
I did provide hard evidence. Penis size. And as Opiate points out, breast size as well. And I certainly did not say anything about genertic inferiority or superiority.
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Not all black people have big penises and not all white people have small penises. You'll get differences due to sexual selection, and sometimes that can differ between groups of the same ethnicity.
 
The employment of the word race in the OP has me curious if you are looking for a scientific arguement in favor the use of this construct.

The Human Genographic Project
Our species is an African one: Africa is where we first evolved, and where we have spent the majority of our time on Earth. The earliest fossils of recognizably modern Homo sapiens appear in the fossil record at Omo Kibish in Ethiopia, around 200,000 years ago. Although earlier fossils may be found over the coming years, this is our best understanding of when and approximately where we originated.
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It's kind of funny how we all kind of came out from a single place, as a single race or whatever, slowly diverged apart, and now as technology and everything has connected us we'll eventually all come back together as one race of a mix of all the races one day.
 
Fuzzery said:
Do you personally think there is a genetic difference in intelligence between races?
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I think it's almost entirely cultural: any observed differences (like IQ disparities) are a consequence of racist oppression keeping some racial groups away from education. Of course, I also don't think the penis size differences are very significant, either.
 
Izick said:
It's kind of funny how we all kind of came out from a single place, as a single race or whatever, slowly diverged apart, and now as technology and everything has connected us we'll eventually all come back together as one race of a mix of all the races one day.
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unless the continents return to a pangea-like mass I don't see this happening. Economies are linked together now but populations are still centered in specific areas on the planet.
 
Izick said:
It's kind of funny how we all kind of came out from a single place, as a single race or whatever, slowly diverged apart, and now as technology and everything has connected us we'll eventually all come back together as one race of a mix of all the races one day.
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My guess is we will be even more diverse. Why economics and culture not biology.
 
I always thought it was really cool how there's so many different "races" of humans.

I think asians are the ones that are most interesting. How come no one else has eyes like that?
 
Tawpgun said:
I always thought it was really cool how there's so many different "races" of humans.

I think asians are the ones that are most interesting. How come no one else has eyes like that?
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Well... they do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold
Epicanthic fold is typical in many peoples of Eastern Asia[1] and is common among Central Asian populations. Epicanthic folds are characteristic of Bushmen populations in Southern Africa. It is also found in significant numbers among Indigenous Americans.
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Tawpgun said:
I always thought it was really cool how there's so many different "races" of humans.

I think asians are the ones that are most interesting. How come no one else has eyes like that?
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Lot of people in Southern Africa got similar looking eyes.
 
Escape Goat said:
unless the continents return to a pangea-like mass I don't see this happening. Economies are linked together now but populations are still centered in specific areas on the planet.
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It really doesn't take very long. If you look at the demographics of South America the percentage of people in some countries with mixed European / native heritage exceeds 60% - I believe this is true in Mexico and Chile and possibly others. And keep in mind most of this mixing occured before the invention of mass international transportation and communication.
 
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