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Excellent article: Trump Proves Republican Obama Hate Was Never About Obama’s Ideas

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Joel Was Right

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Published August 2016

This week, largely drowned out on the stump by his succession of own goals, Donald Trump returned to a theme he has mentioned before in the campaign — his infrastructure plan, which would amount to either half a trillion dollars or a trillion dollars, depending on what day it is. Among the majority of Republicans who support Trump, this spending plan has provoked not a whimper of complaint. Among the minority who don’t like Trump, the irony is bitter. “If you ignore the rhetorical flourishes and stick to what he is actually advocating and how he proposes to pay for it you can call it by another name: stimulus,” writes anti-Trump conservative Jonathan Tobin. “So the question for Trump acolytes who now pose as the arbiters of what it means to be a conservative, what is it about Trump’s stimulus that [makes] it more acceptable to Republican voters than Obama’s?”

Why, that is quite a puzzle, isn’t it? The entire Republican Party treated Obama’s stimulus as a threat to the Republic, yet has said nothing as Trump has embraced a proposal with equally objectionable features. Tobin does not offer up an explanation for such a curious state of affairs, concluding only, “I’ve yet to hear a rational explanation for that fact.” Tobin is not alone in his incredulity. Conservative intellectuals who oppose Trump frequently deride him as a liberal, pronouncing his success at winning over conservative voters baffling. “Trump has talked repeatedly about favoring something like single-payer healthcare and the Obamacare mandate … The man doesn’t have a limited-government bone in his body,” wrote RedState’s Dan McLaughlin several months ago. In January, the conservative talk-show host Steve Deace ran through a long list of Trump ideological deviations and asked, “So why are some conservatives still defending this typical New York City liberal?” Again, he suggested no theory of the case. The question was the last line of the column.

Unlike the conservatives baffled at the voters’ acceptance of their nominee’s heresies, I do have an explanation. The overwhelming majority of Republican voters found Obama’s stimulus unacceptable for reasons that had nothing to do with its merits. Indeed, the same can be said of a large share of Obama’s entire domestic agenda, against which Republicans have spent eight years in a frenzy of opposition.

With the economy in utter collapse a year later, the economic case for stimulus had grown exponentially stronger — in fact, if there was only one time over the last three-quarters of a century when a Keynesian remedy was needed, early 2009 was it. But at this moment, Republican support for Keynesianism collapsed. Likewise, Mitt Romney ran for president in 2008 advocating what became Obamacare — regulated exchanges with subsidies and an individual mandate — and faced hardly any blowback from his base. John McCain ran as an advocate of cap and trade. But once Obama embraced those ideas, the entire party, including Romney and McCain, turned against them.

It’s a matter of public record that Republican leaders decided even before Obama took office that their path to power lay in total and immediate opposition to his agenda. Marshaling this extraordinary level of antipathy drove the conservative movement to the ideological right. The new Randian-inflected GOP believed Keynesian economics was now a complete fraud, Romney’s health-care plan mounted an unprecedented assault on the Constitution, McCain’s climate proposal was now a socialist monstrosity, and so on.

The rise of the tea party occurred in tandem with this new spirit of ideological purity within the movement. From the standpoint of the conservative movement’s elites, the two phenomena were one and the same. But the truth is that the freaked-out Republicans in America, watching Fox News in their Barcaloungers, were not animated by newfound appreciation for Rand and Hayek. As careful studies of the tea-party movement revealed, what animated Republican voters was a fear of cultural change. Their anti-statism was confined to programs that seemed to benefit people other than themselves. Racial resentment and ethnocentrism, not passion for limited government, drove the conservative base.

Almost alone within the party, Trump understood this. That is why his comically long list of ideological deviations never hurt him. Trump’s racism demonstrated to most Republican voters that he stood with them on the essential divide that ordered their political world — one defined by identity more than ideology.

In the conservative elite’s imagination, the romanticized history of the tea-party revolt — a story of liberty-loving Americans rising up against Big Government excess — still prevails. It is a story that attributes the party’s extraordinary opposition to the president’s policies, not to the primal fears he aroused. Trump has not only disproven the conservative movement’s theory of its own base. He’s disproven its history of the Obama president.​

Rest of article (really poignant points made)
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
I don't think anybody can say any more that the Republican backlash against Obama was founded on anything beyond traditional American racism.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
The GOP decided to oppose everything Obama proposed before he was even inaugurated. Even their own ideas that he picked up to try and sway their support. It was never about policy.
 

Machina

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The first time Obama was elected "Oh it's a lefty phase, they'll get over it"

The second time Obama was elected, it became serious for them. "America elected a black president then went for it again??"

That's the moment when the white man started to panic.
 

PixelatedBookake

Junior Member
I don't think anybody can say any more that the Republican backlash against Obama was founded on anything beyond traditional American racism.
Pretty much this. Looking back on the whole thing and where we are now, it seems like it was miracle he became President in the first place.
 
Before he came into office the GOP made it their sole business to tarnish him in any form or fashion to decrease his chances of reelection. The GOP are scum.
 

Fat4all

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it'll be hilarious when Obama becomes the most liked former president of all time, which I could easily see happening.

can't block that shine
 

Mariolee

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This article put eloquently what to me has personally been obvious but hard to put into words for the last 8 years.
 

mavo

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It's all in the rhetoric.

And i always found a lot of hypocrisy surrounding the stimulus, anyone who says they wouldn't have spent their way out of the recession, that they wouldnt have bailed out the banks and the auto industry is lying.
and the other side would have criticized it
 
Why, that is quite a puzzle, isn’t it? The entire Republican Party treated Obama’s stimulus as a threat to the Republic, yet has said nothing as Trump has embraced a proposal with equally objectionable features. Tobin does not offer up an explanation for such a curious state of affairs, concluding only, “I’ve yet to hear a rational explanation for that fact.” Tobin is not alone in his incredulity. Conservative intellectuals who oppose Trump frequently deride him as a liberal, pronouncing his success at winning over conservative voters baffling. “Trump has talked repeatedly about favoring something like single-payer healthcare and the Obamacare mandate … The man doesn’t have a limited-government bone in his body,” wrote RedState’s Dan McLaughlin several months ago

Hmmmm, so if conservatives didn't flock to Trump for his economic ideas then that must mean people voted for him because...

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Ashes

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As careful studies of the tea-party movement revealed, what animated Republican voters was a fear of cultural change. Their anti-statism was confined to programs that seemed to benefit people other than themselves. Racial resentment and ethnocentrism, not passion for limited government, drove the conservative base.

I'd like to see these studies. Racial resentment is quite the powerful accusation.
 

-Plasma Reus-

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Did Obama ever campaign to remind people of by-elections. Republicans blocking him for years, why didn't the Dems go all out to win those?
 

Ishan

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You need the hard liners to push the moderate viewpoints way it's been world over America is no different ... I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt post Obama am not post trump ... It's all just politics and we all evolve slowly but surely
 

Ishan

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Did Obama ever campaign to remind people of by-elections. Republicans blocking him for years, why didn't the Dems go all out to win those?
Obama was very singular . He has a from what I can make out a great ideological mouth a moderate atttitude and a conciliatory tone . Works amazing if the other side is willing if they aren't you get what you got . Ans he's too classy to fuck them over about it . And that classyness is what appeals to a lot of ppl


Edit he was never the fuck them types ... So that's your answer he could it's not how he views things .
 

Ashes

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The biggest predictor of Trump support among Republican and Republican-leaning voters was a belief that "the growing number of newcomers from other countries threatens U.S. values." Republicans holding this belief felt 18 points more positively toward Trump, on a 100-point scale, than Republicans who didn't feel this way.

Belief that Islam encourages violence, and that it's "bad" for the country that blacks, Latinos and Asians will someday make up the majority of the population, accounted for eight-point jumps in positive feelings toward Trump.

Identifying strongly as Republican, being male, being older than 50, and not having a college degree were also predictors of Trump support.

Eesh. Far too many were emotionally manipulable leaving the rest of us dumb and confounded.
 

Opto

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Did Obama ever campaign to remind people of by-elections. Republicans blocking him for years, why didn't the Dems go all out to win those?

2010 census coincided with a lot of republican controlled states. This gave them re-redistricting powers and guess which party the district totals were slanted to. It's not impossible for dems to rewin some districts, but it's sure a lot fucking harder.
 

Ishan

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Eesh. Far too many were emotionally manipulable leaving the rest of us dumb and confounded.
There are significant issues to deal with Islam and that's a fact . But moderates have tried within the community and bush did it best post 911. Now you can blow it up the other way too as trump did . To me it's like someone you dunno is sulky and pushes you you go wtf as a natural reflex then you can go hey man what's up . Or you can decide to pummel that person with the biggest fists you can make up .... Different views on life . I prefer the Obama view .
 
Uh no fucking duh.

It was always about him being a black guy in office. Not to mention the mooslim thing. Every time we heard his name between verifications of his birth, it was always Barack 📢📢‼️🚷HUSSEIN‼️‼️📢📢 Obama.
 

i_am_ben

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Conservative obstructionism happens in lots of countries without being race-based.

That said, there's no denying that racism was one element.
 

Breads

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IIRC ACA wasn't the version Obama proposed but instead something that was rife with compromises that the GOP itself designed.

And they still didn't like it. 'cause Obama.
 
A return to Reagan era style culture wars. Fan-fucking-tastic...

And here I was thinking I'd never have to relive the nightmare that was the 80s ever again.
 

Machina

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Can we please get an IQ map of the entire continental United States then directly compare it to the election results
 
Here, I'll let "Joe the Plumber" lay it out for you.

Samuel Wurzelbacher, the outspoken Ohio handyman known as “Joe the Plumber,” sparked renewed allegations of racism by posting a controversial article on his blog over the weekend.

The article, “America Needs a White Republican President,” opines: “Admit it. You want a white Republican president again. Wanting a white Republican president doesn’t make you racist, it just makes you American.”
 

ggx2ac

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Here, I'll let "Joe the Plumber" lay it out for you.

This is why Nationalism is stupid. Most white Americans feel patriotic for their country only if it is run by a white man.

It's not as if I need to point out how patriotic those white people felt that their country was in ruin because it was being run by a PoC. (Anti-Christ sentiments etc)
 
A return to Reagan era style culture wars. Fan-fucking-tastic...

And here I was thinking I'd never have to relive the nightmare that was the 80s ever again.
Hell Trump is even a mirror image of Reagan complete with handlers actually running the show and pulling his strings.

Except instead of dementia. It's because of incompetence.
 

KDR_11k

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Conservative intellectuals who oppose Trump frequently deride him as a liberal, pronouncing his success at winning over conservative voters baffling. “Trump has talked repeatedly about favoring something like single-payer healthcare and the Obamacare mandate … The man doesn’t have a limited-government bone in his body,”

How many GOP voters are actually in favor of economic conservatism? Most are voting for the social conservatism.
 
Politics is no longer about ideas, its 100% lock step sticking with your party and opposing every single thing the other side does. It really started after the Iraq War when the dems realized going along with the opposition was a huge mistake, we saw it under 8 years of Obama, and now we will see it for 4 years of Trump.

The idea that it began with Obama is silly, it just got perfected to simply saying no to everything under Obama. Zero compromise, zero concern about anything other than politics.
 
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