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Explosion kills and wounds many near Turkish wedding (50+ dead, 90+ wounded)

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Intilial reports claim PKK terrorist group is behind this, considering the last week(s) attacks carried out by them.

edit: There are now reports of it being ISIS related, not PKK (Gaziantep has a big Kurdish population), according to justice specialist Samil Tayyar from the AKP.

edit 2: Now at least 22 dead + 94 injured.

edit 3: Dutch media are now reporting 50 dead, 90 injured (title change please)

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A blast at an outdoor wedding party in the south Turkish city of Gaziantep has killed at least 30 people and injured 94 more, the authorities say.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said so-called Islamic State (IS) was likely to have carried it out amid reports of a suicide bomber targeting the party. The attack, in an area popular with university students, could be heard across the city. Gaziantep, near the Syrian border, is known to have several IS cells. The BBC's Seref Isler, who is from Gaziantep, says the city was already on edge before the attack because of events in Syria, where IS has been battling Syrian Kurdish forces. A suicide bomber believed to have links to IS killed two policemen in Gaziantep in May.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37146531
 
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RustyNails said:
Innalillahi wa inna ilaihi raajioun.

Terrorist scum everywhere.
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Indeed. It's weird, some Kurdish people were protesting in favour of PKK today and yesterday in the Netherlands, but PKK is officially considered to be a terrorist group by almost all NATO and EU country. That's like protesting in favour of ISIS. I know several Kurdish people who I consider friends who condemn everything of the PKK militant branch.

It's also sad that we're "numb" to these attacks nowadays. Thread is an hour old now, and only you replied. Or the majority here isn't interested in terror attacks unless it's ISIS related.
 
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MonsterHunter said:
Islamic State attack on a Kurdish wedding. Don't let facts get in the way of your hate though.
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Can you link a source that it's a Kurdish wedding? Not that it would matter of course, innocent deaths are terrible regardless, but the initial reports speculated about PKK. It wasn't until an hour later that new reports mentioned ISIS.

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22 dead, 94 injured.

source: Mayor of Antep.

http://www.ntv.com.tr/turkiye/gaziantepte-patlama,V3_EDkuDsE23WIPzYFtzsQ
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That's awful news, a day that started with joy ends with bloodshed.
 
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Nibel said:
OP, where does the article state it's the PKK behind this?
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When the news started to surface, it has been replaced by ISIS. According to several posts above it's even a Kurdish wedding, but I haven't been able finding sources about that.
 
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Regginator said:
Indeed. It's weird, some Kurdish people were protesting in favour of PKK today and yesterday in the Netherlands, but PKK is officially considered to be a terrorist group by almost all NATO and EU country. That's like protesting in favour of ISIS. I know several Kurdish people who I consider friends who condemn everything of the PKK militant branch.

It's also sad that we're "numb" to these attacks nowadays. Thread is an hour old now, and only you replied. Or the majority here isn't interested in terror attacks unless it's ISIS related.
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Oh FFS! :rolleyes: The PKK are the main force holding back ISIS unlike Turkey who has actively armed and supported the terror group. I look forward to the day when the Kurds of Turkey (and Syria, Iraq and Iran) have a homeland of their own.
 
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Regginator said:
Indeed. It's weird, some Kurdish people were protesting in favour of PKK today and yesterday in the Netherlands, but PKK is officially considered to be a terrorist group by almost all NATO and EU country. That's like protesting in favour of ISIS. I know several Kurdish people who I consider friends who condemn everything of the PKK militant branch.

It's also sad that we're "numb" to these attacks nowadays. Thread is an hour old now, and only you replied. Or the majority here isn't interested in terror attacks unless it's ISIS related.
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I'm guessing it's like Palestinians supporting HAMAS. People want to stop the oppression by the state and turn to any group that works against it.
 
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Oriel said:
Oh FFS! :rolleyes: The PKK are the main force holding back ISIS unlike Turkey who has actively armed and supported the terror group. I look forward to the day when the Kurds of Turkey (and Syria, Iraq and Iran) have a homeland of their own.
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Oh, you're right. Because they're fighting ISIS scum that means PKK are the good guys. Let's forget how they've numerously targeted innocent civilians and police offers during bomb attacks in Turkey. Let's also forget how the militant branch of PKK is considered to be a terrorist group, like ISIS, by the United States, the NATO and the EU. But hey, if they're fighting ISIS then it's all right, is that it?

But enough of PKK, it seems according to newer reports this is carried out by ISIS, as opposed to initial reports claiming it was PKK.

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I'm guessing it's like Palestinians supporting HAMAS. People want to stop the oppression by the state and turn to any group that works against it.
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That might be true, but that doesn't make the attacks on civilians and innocents, from both sides, any less worse. As anecdotal evidence, the Kurdish people I know want nothing to do with the militant branch of PKK, and I hope that also extends to the majority of others.



Also @mods, the death toll has risen to 50 dead and 90 injured. Could someone update the title? Attack seems to be carried out by ISIL. Thanks.
 
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Rest in peace, all of you.

Was there someone generally considered a viable target in the family, or can that motive be excluded? Wedding is not what I associate with bombs otherwise.
 
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Yup it's not PKK.. They said its DEASH who attacked to wedding in newspapers here.

Funny thing is people are getting really used to these news in here. Especially in istanbul it feels like nothing had happened.
 
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Nibel said:
OP, where does the article state it's the PKK behind this?
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Pkk attacked a few days ago in Van a kurdish city and elizag as well. But this sounds like a ISIS attack.

Perhaps a pre emptive attack because of the rumoured turkish backed FSA launching a campaign in jarablus
 
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terrible news, 50 plus dead and 20+ critically wounded according to erdogan. do we have any confirmation about the perpetrators? signs point towards daesh.
 
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Horrendous. I sincerely hate terrorists. I just don't understand how they can see this type of attack as helpful, justifiable, or even effective for whatever their mission happens to be. Total scum.

RIP to the deceased and hopefully quick recoveries for the injured.
 
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bidguy said:
PKK is scum

right up there with ISIS in my book
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That isn't a fair comparison whatsoever. ISIS is fighting to establish a global fascist state, and plans to subjugate or murder everybody they can find who is not a Sunni Muslim man. ISIS' tactics include rape, mass murder, and their violence against Kurds and Assyrians is clearly genocide.

The Kurdish Worker's Party is fighting to establish a secular, free, and left-wing society in Turkish Kurdistan, similar to what exists in Syrian Kurdistan. As national liberation militias go, the PKK has a pretty good track record. They're responsible for fewer civilian deaths than the Palestinian resistance, and kill far fewer people than either the US or Russia. Hell, most of the Arab militias that America supports against Assad behave much more ruthlessly than the PKK.

While both groups use violence, almost all PKK killings have been against soldiers and police. Their deaths might make you uncomfortable, but this is war. Any Turkish police officer serving in Turkish Kurdistan is a combatant, and he knows this.

Nibel said:
OP, where does the article state it's the PKK behind this?
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The Turkish government thinks more highly of ISIS than the PKK, and most Turkish media is hugely influenced by the government. Attacks in Kurdistan are almost universally attributed to the PKK, even though the PKK would have no reason to slaughter dozens of Kurds in a region that's pretty loyal to the PKK.
 
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Soka said:
Horrendous. I sincerely hate terrorists. I just don't understand how they can see this type of attack as helpful, justifiable, or even effective for whatever their mission happens to be. Total scum.

RIP to the deceased and hopefully quick recoveries for the injured.
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Terrorist don't just spawn, they are made because they felt this same loss to them/their people. Terrorism is very effective, their mission is to terrorize. See: The entire world changing its security/rights.

The world is getting to a point that we need to understand what creates terrorism, and substantially reduce it, versus combating it with bombs. Once you've been pushed to this edge, they aren't afraid to die. And we should think about why there are 1000's that will take the place of the fallen.
 
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Valhelm said:
That isn't a fair comparison whatsoever. ISIS is fighting to establish a global fascist state, and plans to subjugate or murder everybody they can find who is not a Sunni Muslim man. ISIS' tactics include rape, mass murder, and their violence against Kurds and Assyrians is clearly genocide.

The Kurdish Worker's Party is fighting to establish a secular, free, and left-wing society in Turkish Kurdistan, similar to what exists in Syrian Kurdistan. As national liberation militias go, the PKK has a pretty good track record. They're responsible for fewer civilian deaths than the Palestinian resistance, and kill far fewer people than either the US or Russia. Hell, most of the Arab militias that America supports against Assad behave much more ruthlessly than the PKK.

While both groups use violence, almost all PKK killings have been against soldiers and police. Their deaths might make you uncomfortable, but this is war. Any Turkish police officer serving in Turkish Kurdistan is a combatant, and he knows this.
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How does federalism work in Turkey anyways? Or is it centralisitc.. or like in France?
 
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Jacobi said:
How does federalism work in Turkey anyways? Or is it centralisitc.. or like in France?
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Turkey's a unitary state. There really is no local government, because Erdogan and much of the Turkish establishment don't want any mechanism by which the Kurdish minority may be empowered. Even the use of the Kurdish language is a legal grey-area in Turkey.
 
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