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FloatOn

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I have been working for my company since I turned 21. I have been in the world of capitalism for going on 13 years (a third of my life!)

when it works correctly capitalism can be a great thing but as it is often pointed out there is an exploitative side to it that is quite destructive. This is why I'm going to leverage my business sense into getting into the realm of non-profit management.

or getting out of the game entirely and just teaching
 

Xiao Hu

Member
Capitalism breeds competition, which breeds innovation.

While I see that innovation is to a certain extent connected with competition, the Soviet Union, despite all her flaws, achieved a lot of technological advances without being a capitalist country.
 

Ceallach

Smells like fresh rosebuds
it also breeds overpriced medication, starving people and basically slave workers
can it truly be called "innovation" if it is based on something savage?
Yes, because without it those things would never have existed as there would have been no pharmaceutical competition to develop new drugs.

I'm not saying capitalism should be unregulated, it absolutely should be, however it is not a demon.
 

FUME5

Member
Who wants to engage in a nuanced discussion about the current state of affairs for the 7+ billion people on this planet and act like they know how to fix it?
 

Ceallach

Smells like fresh rosebuds
While I see that innovation is to a certain extent connected with competition, the Soviet Union, despite all her flaws, achieved a lot of technological advances without being a capitalist country.
Not really. The more we learn about the USSR the more we learn it was mostly smoke and mirrors. That isn't even getting into their human rights violations which were so much worse, not that the capitalist west wasnt full of evils.

I just feel that frequently people use capitalism as a scapegoat for their own failures.
 
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Transhuman

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Capitalism like evolution is predicated upon pain and starvation, cannabalism, and the rape of earthly things.
 
Yes, because without it those things would never have existed as there would have been no pharmaceutical competition to develop new drugs.

I'm not saying capitalism should be unregulated, it absolutely should be, however it is not a demon.

how do you know? it's not like humans would sit on their asses all day without the fear of capitalism breathing down their necks. there have always been inventions, from the stone age to medieval times. also it's not like those inventions now always have the best interest of everyone at heart, quite the contrary. since they are fueled by money-driven system profit is pretty much also all they aim for.
 

Ceallach

Smells like fresh rosebuds
how do you know? it's not like humans would sit on their asses all day without the fear of capitalism breathing down their necks. there have always been inventions, from the stone age to medieval times. also it's not like those inventions now always have the best interest of everyone at heart, quite the contrary. since they are fueled by money-driven system profit is pretty much also all they aim for.
Profit is what man has always striven for. If not currency it is a better life, a better mate, the ability to put a title to your name like lady or duchess or queen. Ultimately everything comes down to that individual who wants to be in a better position or wants to go down in history or just want to prove they can do something.

And just looking at metrics, look at what the capitalist world has done in the last couple of centuries. the age of capitalism has seen more advances than any other period of human history.
 

FloatOn

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I have to go to some orchestral event for my music class. The dracula ballet is being performed this weekend so I might go to that. I've never been to a ballet before.
 
I'm invited to a party Saturday but I don't have transportation there or back. So I may just end up at home alone in my luchadore mask playing overwatch and getting hammered.
 

Xiao Hu

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Not really. The more we learn about the USSR the more we learn it was mostly smoke and mirrors. That isn't even getting into their human rights violations which were so much worse, not that the capitalist west wasnt full of evils.

I just feel that frequently people use capitalism as a scapegoat for their own failures.

You've got any of those....sources?
 
Profit is what man has always striven for. If not currency it is a better life, a better mate, the ability to put a title to your name like lady or duchess or queen. Ultimately everything comes down to that individual who wants to be in a better position or wants to go down in history or just want to prove they can do something.

And just looking at metrics, look at what the capitalist world has done in the last couple of centuries. the age of capitalism has seen more advances than any other period of human history.

also the most cruel organized mass-suffering tied to corporations and that so called "progress". I think it's kind of an ignorant world view to just shrug all this off and think it's the price we have to pay for innovation instead of maybe aspiring to improve. it's very easy for us to discuss this since neither of us is really at the bottom of the priviledge-pyramid, pretty sure your opinion might be different in a different place.
 
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Transhuman

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Ceallach is right, where would man be without his causa sui, which allows him to create the self-belief necessary to operate in full knowledge of the imminentness of mortality. With this imagined raison d'être we become irreplaceable and the sanctity of human life is affirmed.

I like boobs.
 

Ceallach

Smells like fresh rosebuds
also the most cruel organized mass-suffering tied to corporations and that so called "progress". I think it's kind of an ignorant world view to just shrug all this off and think it's the price we have to pay for innovation instead of maybe aspiring to improve. it's very easy for us to discuss this since neither of us is really at the bottom of the priviledge-pyramid, pretty sure your opinion might be different in a different place.

Suffering is tied to progress. Without suffering, there is no motivation. Safety breeds complacency. It's cruel, but it's the natural order. Nature is cruel. We all build off the backs of someone else.
 
Suffering is tied to progress. Without suffering, there is no motivation. Safety breeds complacency. It's cruel, but it's the natural order. Nature is cruel. We all build off the backs of someone else.

it's not nature, it's an artificial system we built. so why not build another system, that isn't disrespecting the environment, human- and animal rights and simple decency that is neccessary for living in a community in the first place.
 

DrM

Redmond's Baby
This book is a good starting place. The USSR was awful with the suppression of ideals and appearance above everything

No wonder, cult of the glorious leader and Party is the common in any communist/socialist regime.

Old people around here still miss Tito. Of course it was nice time for living if you had obedient high ranking Party official in the family. But when Tito died in 1980s, illusions of brotherhood and unity quickly dissolved.
 
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Transhuman

Unconfirmed Member
Having a benevolent dictator doesn't seem that bad in practise.
 

Jobbs

Banned
guten morgen. So many new people lately!

Also add me to the "capitalism is a predatory system that directly causes a lot of human suffering and moreover it doesn't *have* to be this way" list

You can't fool me nyarlathotep.

There's nothing to fool. See the bottom of the OP
 

Ceallach

Smells like fresh rosebuds
I'm actually completely in favor of imperialism. I feel if everyone was under one govt it would solve a lot of our problems.

However my paycheck depends of war so fuck that.
 

Misha

Banned
I'm actually completely in favor of imperialism. I feel if everyone was under one govt it would solve a lot of our problems.

However my paycheck depends of war so fuck that.
Would imperialism imply one government taking over the others? I'm all for one government too but I think it should be more of a progression from stuff like the EU and the United Nations. America already kinda operates the way a larger government would. States control everything that the national government doesn't specifically rule on.

Would make more sense anyway once we make it into space which is still quite a ways away
I'm falling in love with Duran Duran <3
What took you so long? :p
 

DrM

Redmond's Baby
I'm falling in love with Duran Duran <3

But I won't cry for yesterday
There's an ordinary world
Somehow I have to find
And as I try to make my way
To the ordinary world
I will learn to survive

Best song for drunk karaoke night. Last two lines are killer.
 

Xiao Hu

Member
I'm Republican everybody here hates me. Yay capitalism.

I don't hate you :)
I detest you, you shitheaded maggot

But I won't cry for yesterday
There's an ordinary world
Somehow I have to find
And as I try to make my way
To the ordinary world
I will learn to survive

Best song for drunk karaoke night. Last two lines are killer.

Aaaah, I want to go back into karaoke again :(
 
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