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Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany - 20 days after becoming mandatory masks reduce infections by 45% at zero economic cost

Sure they are resistant and built up immunities. As I said, the typical doc in a clinic seeing sick people doesn't even wear a mask until covid time. And if he does, he yanks it off the second he leaves the room. Yet, how come all these 50 year old doctors aren't all sick from contagious diseases?

They aren't sick because they take the proper precautions to keep themselves safe.

Exactly the point I'm making. Covid isn't even as dangerous as people think. If it was, you wouldn't have 99% of the population unaffected. And if magically every person in every country does have it in their blood (in case someone says just because you don't feel it, doesn't mean you don't have it), it must be the shittiest bug ever because 99% of people don't seem to have symptoms or feel sick.

Kids aren't 99% of the population.

You should read my post again. I said "pre covid". ONly reason docs wear it now is due to covid. Before covid, your typical doctor walks around without a mask at the clinic or hospital when seeing patients for general check up stuff or a family feels sick with the flu. Yet how often do you see them being sick because they saw 40 people during flu season? I bet the vast majority of them feel fine like nothing happened. And virtually zero masks before covid.

You're telling me every doctor has taken every vaccine? And that includes all the nurses, technicians and the ladies who work the front desk scheduling appointments?

And nobody before covid went around spraying every seat, door knob and table with cleaning solution. Maybe in the surgery room, but not general purpose patient rooms, lobby seats or bathrooms. And nobody seemed to get sick from any contagious germs before covid.

That is literally a rule, if you choose not to vaccinate against the flu you were not allowed to work unless you wore a mask, also there is a long list of other vaccines you HAVE to take or else your not allowed to work, so yes every doctor and nurse is vaccinated.
 
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That was a hyperbolic statement. I can't believe you took it literally.
I didn't...that's why I replied to your 5 line paragraph with 6 words...you had to make it hyperbolic to stop yourself from sounding like an idiot because if you actually said the real percent of people that are over 50 or obese or have a health condition then your entire point is invalid because that percentage of people is huge.

Also good job ignoring "99%" of my reply lol.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I didn't...that's why I replied to your 5 line paragraph with 6 words...you had to make it hyperbolic to stop yourself from sounding like an idiot because if you actually said the real percent of people that are over 50 or obese or have a health condition then your entire point is invalid because that percentage of people is huge.

Also good job ignoring "99%" of my reply lol.
LOL. Ya sure you were hyperbolic. You read my post typed as fast as possible, and misread it as 99% are kids.

If you're such a medical pro, then post your stat % of people over 50 or obese. Which makes no difference to this discussion because everyone knows covid hits some people harder than others. The first reports in Feb or March told everyone old people or people with fragile health are most at risk. While students are hardly affected.

So don't think your'e a big shot as if you're the only person who knows this.

As everyone has said and suspected since day one (and continues to this day), covid isnt as bad as people think because the number of people getting seriously affected is low, and the people most involved are from certain groups. It's not a type of disease that has a blanket effect on every group, which we agreed upon kids have hardly any effect even though they are grouped together in schools as there is no way any of them know what they are doing being clean with proper protocols.

Your views are biased because you claim to work in a hospital and see this.

I can have the same biased view. I know nobody who has it, has been sick from it, took time off from it to recover, or died from it.
 
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LOL. Ya sure you were hyperbolic. You read my post typed as fast as possible, and misread it as 99% are kids.

If you're such a medical pro, then post your stat % of people over 50 or obese. Which makes no difference to this discussion because everyone knows covid hits some people harder than others. The first reports in Feb or March told everyone old people or people with fragile health are most at risk. While students are hardly affected.

So don't think your'e a big shot as if you're the only person who knows this.

As everyone has said and suspected since day one (and continues to this day), covid isnt as bad as people think because the number of people getting seriously affected is low, and the people most involved are from certain groups. It's not a type of disease that has a blanket effect on every group, which we agreed upon kids have hardly any effect even though they are grouped together in schools as there is no way any of them know what they are doing being clean with proper protocols.

Your views are biased because you claim to work in a hospital and see this.

I can have the same biased view. I know nobody who has it, has been sick from it, took time off from it to recover, or died from it.
I never said I was a medical pro, I just know common knowledge like medical workers have to be vaccinated. I literally said certain people are more susceptible than others, you were saying medical workers aren't getting covid in large percentages despite being exposed to it because they are magically naturally resistant to it and not the precautions they take.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I never said I was a medical pro, I just know common knowledge like medical workers have to be vaccinated. I literally said certain people are more susceptible than others, you were saying medical workers aren't getting covid in large percentages despite being exposed to it because they are magically naturally resistant to it and not the precautions they take.
Totally.

I still believe that covid isn't as bad as you think it is.

As you said there's no vaccine. So everyone is in the same boat (aside from maybe 100,000 people in the world being guinea pigs taking Pfizer vaccine tests. I took a guess here but you know what I mean)

There's no vaccine, and a lot of people are dirty pigs either not doing any covid precautions, using shitty masks, picking their nose, rubbing their eyes etc......

And despite this, even the dirty general public has hardly any effect from covid. An the ones who are most effect seem to be sick people or old people. Every chart shows the same thing. If you're about 60 years old or so, the sliding scale zooms up the charts. It looks like someone who is 60 or 70 has a higher rate of covid illness or death than all the other age brackets combined. That's how steep all those sliding scales look.

So it shows most people have no effect from covid.

And let's face it. It's not like the only people in contact with covid are people who died from it. I might have covid germs in me right now even though I do a bad job at precautions and hand sanitizing. You might have it too even though you do hospital protocols.

No effect either way.
 

ULTROS!

People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Facemasks are mandatory here and our cases are going down (Philippines). Heck face shields are mandatary too.

We also have restaurants that are open and people are eating out but most still prefer take out. If they want to eat in the restaurant, there's social distancing.

I really don't get why people are angry at facemasks because of very very slight inconveniences. I mean it's just a piece of protection you wear over your face...
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I'm crap at wearing masks and never use hand sanitizer
Hand sanitizer is probably even a bigger joke than masks.

Hand sanitizer is only effective against bacteria, not viruses. It's useless against Covid. More "feel better" BS.

Wash your hands with plenty of soap.
 
Totally.

I still believe that covid isn't as bad as you think it is.

As you said there's no vaccine. So everyone is in the same boat (aside from maybe 100,000 people in the world being guinea pigs taking Pfizer vaccine tests. I took a guess here but you know what I mean)

There's no vaccine, and a lot of people are dirty pigs either not doing any covid precautions, using shitty masks, picking their nose, rubbing their eyes etc......

And despite this, even the dirty general public has hardly any effect from covid. An the ones who are most effect seem to be sick people or old people. Every chart shows the same thing. If you're about 60 years old or so, the sliding scale zooms up the charts. It looks like someone who is 60 or 70 has a higher rate of covid illness or death than all the other age brackets combined. That's how steep all those sliding scales look.

So it shows most people have no effect from covid.

And let's face it. It's not like the only people in contact with covid are people who died from it. I might have covid germs in me right now even though I do a bad job at precautions and hand sanitizing. You might have it too even though you do hospital protocols.

No effect either way.
Let me be clear I don't think a large amount of people getting covid are having serious symptoms, most will not. It is older people that have the most severe cases and I think those people are worth saving and doing all these precautions for.

My mom and immuno-compromised and my grandpa is in the hospital and I want them to be safe from this and they are safer with these precautions. I always tell people, imagine if it was your grandma or grandpa in the ICU, you'd want the same thing and if they got it because some asshole refused to wear a mask you'd be livid.
 

Ionian

Member
Pretty much sums up my feelings, how hard is it to wear a mask?

It's the vulnerable people you're wearing it for. Economies weren't locked down due to some conspiracy it was to give governments the chance to act.

Things are starting to open up here again.

Masks and washing your hands were precautions to help those who could die if they got it.

The people whining about such simple things need help, they never paid attention to the actual point.
 

Dthomp

Member
Just because people are wearing masks doesn’t mean everything. Looking at America in the news makes me think they feel 100% protected just by a mask. MAGA rallies, BLM protests and just about everything else I’ve seen makes me not surprised masks aren’t doing shit.

I feel like this message hits on something that I've thought for a while. I live in the midwest in the US, and one of the areas that has been hit pretty damn hard over the last couple months, and I limit my outings to once a week for groceries and always wear a mask AND I generally am pretty OCD about people being in my personal space so I do everything I can to stay away from others while I shop IE (Waiting to go down and isle, come back to that area when less folk are there).
What I do see on my brief outings though, are generally people wearing masks (My area is still to stupid dumb to wear them without being scolded), but they don't bother with the distancing and limiting time spent chatting with people. They stop and group up in the grocery store just chatting it up, nice and loud, you know so that the germs get through the masks. Masks, just aren't made for all day use, so an hour and a half trip to the grocer, or to the Wal Mart with the entire family and acting like nothing is going on in the world doesn't help the situation. That mask is plenty soiled after 10 minutes, and you wanna chat? The folk in my area seem to think the mask negates the need to social distance and take precautions, and I believe that is just plain false.

This is going to be a problem in the US for a while, cause no matter what the news says, regular folk won't be getting vaccines til sometime likely late next year, and depending on your level of need (Old vs. Young, etc..) you may not be able to get a vaccine and not be able to visit family again. This whole thing has been a shitshow, but as long as we keep treating it state by state, it won't go away. This needed to be a nationwide thing from the start, because clearly humans are just to damn selfish? Stubborn? Rude? to just stay home and veg with the people they live with during the important months and have just kept spreading it.

Rallies and Protests have not helped in the slightest, and I honestly believe that they were more heavily attended because people wanted an excuse to get out of their quarantines and that made them feel like they were doing something good, and not just being a prick.
 

Armorian

Banned
People love my mask.... and i love my mask too.

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i will have to buy this one


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CrapSandwich

former Navy SEAL
Pretty much sums up my feelings, how hard is it to wear a mask?

It's the vulnerable people you're wearing it for. Economies weren't locked down due to some conspiracy it was to give governments the chance to act.

Things are starting to open up here again.

Masks and washing your hands were precautions to help those who could die if they got it.

The people whining about such simple things need help, they never paid attention to the actual point.

The problem with focusing on an unsuccessful mitigation is that successful ones usually get overlooked in the process. With masks, we're in a situation where people substitute the mask for something that actually works, like social distancing. A lot of people think that the mask works so they'll still hop on airplanes, go and visit with others, or go out and yell and chant at protests shoulder to shoulder with strangers for hours on end, There's no question that not being around other people reduces transmission (obviously), but that's been thrown out the window to a degree because of the faith in masks. So here we are in a situation were almost all of the country is wearing masks, and we're still seeing worse results than the first wave in the Spring when virtually no one was masking. This is obviously a losing strategy. If it were an effective mitigation, we wouldn't be seeing widespread lockdowns come back into being. Additionally, the focus on testing and contact tracing are misplaced as well. The smart play would've been to crank the population full of vitamin D, protect the old folks and vulnerable, and otherwise let the virus run its natural curve and peter out, which would've happened faster and all this together would likely have resulted in far fewer deaths while also avoiding a lot of the 2nd and 3rd tier effects of lockdown, which include a lot of economic misery and loss of life in themselves. I'd suggest I have paid a fair amount of attention and that it's not whining. It's more a question of trying to be smart versus having a knee-jerk, uninformed reaction that creates more problems than it solves.
 
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diffusionx

Gold Member
Let me be clear I don't think a large amount of people getting covid are having serious symptoms, most will not. It is older people that have the most severe cases and I think those people are worth saving and doing all these precautions for.

My mom and immuno-compromised and my grandpa is in the hospital and I want them to be safe from this and they are safer with these precautions. I always tell people, imagine if it was your grandma or grandpa in the ICU, you'd want the same thing and if they got it because some asshole refused to wear a mask you'd be livid.

Except, people are not getting sick because people refuse to wear masks, they get sick because an infectious and contagious disease is spreading. My mom got hit pretty hard with COVID and she did everything right, it’s just how it goes, it’s why bacteria and viruses exist after all, they know how to survive.

I know humans are used to playing god but we are deluding ourselves into thinking we have way more control over this than we actually do.
 
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GeorgPrime

Banned
Except, people are not getting sick because people refuse to wear masks, they get sick because an infectious and contagious disease is spreading. My mom got hit pretty hard with COVID and she did everything right, it’s just how it goes, it’s why bacteria and viruses exist after all, they know how to survive.

I know humans are used to playing god but we are deluding ourselves into thinking we have way more control over this than we actually do.

You wear the mask to minimize the spread of the virus through the air and your breath.

Normally you spit it out right in front of you when you breath or when you are coughing.

The masks redirects the stream of the virus upwards behind your ears. Not directly into the face of someone else.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
You wear the mask to minimize the spread of the virus through the air and your breath.

Normally you spit it out right in front of you when you breath or when you are coughing.

The masks redirects the stream of the virus upwards behind your ears. Not directly into the face of someone else.

I don't know about you, but I don't spit and cough directly in peoples' faces, either when I am sick or healthy. Maybe that's something you should work on.
 

GeorgPrime

Banned
I don't know about you, but I don't spit and cough directly in peoples' faces, either when I am sick or healthy. Maybe that's something you should work on.

Its called "droplet infection"

You dont even realize that you are doing it sometimes and like i said "Breathing" is enough. Even when you cough with your hand in front of your mouth you spit it out in front of you
 
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oagboghi2

Member
Ahahahaha, sure it did.

First case reported - Dec 2019

Borders closed ro China - Feb 2020

Operation Warpspeed - May 2020
European countries were still doing nothing during all of this. Wasn't it Italy the first country that saw the biggest outbreak
 

Maxwell Jacob Friedman

leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
I don't know about you, but I don't spit and cough directly in peoples' faces, either when I am sick or healthy. Maybe that's something you should work on.
The virus spreads by just breathing, breathing in and out itself produces droplets and those droplets linger in the air and if someone walks by them then those droplets get on said person, same thing with a cold, breathing, having a runny nose and touching things with your hands then touching your face etc

you clearly cant be this stupid?
 
Research article originally posted 12/03/2020: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/12/02/2015954117

Imagine the good Biden's proposed 100 days of mask wearing could do alongside the rollout of vaccines.

But neogaf says wearing a mask means you're giving in to the leftist cabal trying to brainwash us into complacency? Wtf. Who am I supposed to believe?
 

M3Freak

Banned
Nope, i don't believe it. I call bullshit. The virus is smaller than the gaps between the fibres that the cloth masks are made of. Cloth masks come with warnings that they do nothing.

Get bent, "scientists".
 
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Joe T.

Member
Facemasks are mandatory here and our cases are going down (Philippines). Heck face shields are mandatary too.

We also have restaurants that are open and people are eating out but most still prefer take out. If they want to eat in the restaurant, there's social distancing.

I really don't get why people are angry at facemasks because of very very slight inconveniences. I mean it's just a piece of protection you wear over your face...

It's not masks that brought cases down, it's the lower tests per day. You can make this correlation everywhere in the world, look it up and you'll see it for yourself. Your covid cases started coming down at the exact same time your tests started coming down, September 21st:

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Edit: corrected test graph
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Covid cases have a high reliance on testing frequency. And that comes from facilities and gear, and honesty.

For example this Bloomberg link updates daily and the two regions of the world that seem to have hardly any covid cases given the population base are Africa and China. In fact, if you look at the charts at the bottom, China's covid cases seem to have come to a complete stop half a year ago! lol

 

borborygmus

Member
Hand sanitizer is probably even a bigger joke than masks.

Hand sanitizer is only effective against bacteria, not viruses. It's useless against Covid. More "feel better" BS.

Wash your hands with plenty of soap.

Hand sanitizers are effective against viruses that have a membrane, and covid has a membrane.

 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Hand sanitizers are effective against viruses that have a membrane, and covid has a membrane.

Heard before it did not.

Anyways they say it does if it's strong enough.


So make sure you get the right kind and don't rely on public hand sanitizers.
 
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Soodanim

Gold Member

SonorFagoen

Neo Member
I really think the usage of statistics should be banned globally, except in math classes...and just so they can still entertain us, theoretical physics. Should be treated like a carbon emission tax, mathematical pollution. No one should ever again trust any statistics about anything coming from any institution. Anywhere.

Nobody knows how to use statistics and the few that do, only get hired to use them to politically manipulate agendas. The worst are doctors, politicians, reporters, government, and health institutions. The only ones you should ever care about are gambling statistics in casinos. Outside of that just consider every statistical analysis propaganda.
 
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tichamac

Banned
No you didn't. Your government barely acknowledge(d) the existence of corona and the thousands of deaths daily as a result of it. You have anti-maskers and conspiracy theorist running amok and the general people not wearing masks. Your people didn't do dick and "look where that got us?". It got you 283k deaths.
You're going to need to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the WuFlu caused every single one of those 283k deaths instead of blindly parroting what the ClownsNewsNetworks tells you. In case you weren't aware (or chose to simply ignore because it didn't progress the narrative you wanted,) the federal government stated, in April, anybody who died with the WuFlu, regardless of the actual cause of death, was counted as a WuFlu death.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
You're going to need to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the WuFlu caused every single one of those 283k deaths instead of blindly parroting what the ClownsNewsNetworks tells you. In case you weren't aware (or chose to simply ignore because it didn't progress the narrative you wanted,) the federal government stated, in April, anybody who died with the WuFlu, regardless of the actual cause of death, was counted as a WuFlu death.
Here is the excess deaths from all causes from the CDC. It very closely matches the COVID death data.

 

cryptoadam

Banned
Covid cases have a high reliance on testing frequency. And that comes from facilities and gear, and honesty.

For example this Bloomberg link updates daily and the two regions of the world that seem to have hardly any covid cases given the population base are Africa and China. In fact, if you look at the charts at the bottom, China's covid cases seem to have come to a complete stop half a year ago! lol


Clearly everyone in Africa wears masks and have been in lockdown since day 1 LOL.

I really have to wonder what happened in Africa. Everyone was warning they would be a graveyard. The worst hit place just happens to be the most "western" in South Africa.
 
Hmm, I am not convinced.
There was also a massive lockdown going on back then.
How do you even measure that.

Also, everybody is wearing masks right now and infection numbers are exploding.

I don't say that masks don't work, just that I don't see how they deducted this.
This
 

dcll

Banned
I walk into a store and three workers behind the desk didn't have a mask on so took mine off and she actually said sir you have to wear a mask. I said there are three of you not wearing one so I'm not, she said we are behind the counter and have plexiglass. The plexiglass is about two feet wide and maybe three foot tall at the register. They quickly put their masks on, probably cussing me after I left. I told them I don't give a shit if they wear one but if that is their rule and you expect me to wear one then they need to as well.
 

epicnemesis

Member
I live in LA. We've been masked since the start of this thing effectively. Take a peak at our numbers.

I'm not saying masks don't help, but at best they are slowing, not stopping.
 
Hand sanitizer is probably even a bigger joke than masks.

Hand sanitizer is only effective against bacteria, not viruses. It's useless against Covid. More "feel better" BS.

Wash your hands with plenty of soap.
well there's also wipes which say kill 99.9% of viruses and bacteria.
Pretty much sums up my feelings, how hard is it to wear a mask?

It's the vulnerable people you're wearing it for. Economies weren't locked down due to some conspiracy it was to give governments the chance to act.

Things are starting to open up here again.

Masks and washing your hands were precautions to help those who could die if they got it.

The people whining about such simple things need help, they never paid attention to the actual point.
Economies were locked down due to the reality of peak oil. Even later partial lock downs, the idea is to lower economic activity and thus fuel consumption.
 

Ionian

Member
well there's also wipes which say kill 99.9% of viruses and bacteria.

Economies were locked down due to the reality of peak oil. Even later partial lock downs, the idea is to lower economic activity and thus fuel consumption.

Dammit, never thought about the dead people. My bad, apologies!

LMAO

EDIT: Those wipes are bleach based. Welcome to GAF Trump
 
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Deleted member 1159

Unconfirmed Member
Yeah I use them for my phone whenever I get back from shopping or whatever.

Alcohol-based hand sanitizers aren't useless and COVID is actually quite susceptible to it, soap, and of course bleach kills basically anything.
 

Dacon

Banned
I have very rarely ventured out into the world since this whole drama started, wear a mask, gloves, wash and disinfect everything from the store, use hand sanitizer and wash my hands thoroughly(yes I have OCD, it's been a pain), and I still got Covid. Luckily it was basically just a mild flu, and I recovered in about a week and a day or 2.

I firmly believe that everyone is going to get this virus at some point. There's no hiding from it, and it is not the plague people would have you believe. That does not mean take no precautions, but it also doesn't mean all life must come screeching to a halt.

Living means taking risks. People need to get it through their heads that there are no guarantees, and you cannot mitigate every risk, especially those from invisible assailants. Those who have little to risk from going about their daily lives should, those who are high risk should be sheltered and provided with the proper guidance for reducing that risk via proper safeguards, diet, and exercise.

We need to stop politicizing this situation and get on with life.
 

Hulk_Smash

Banned
I walk into a store and three workers behind the desk didn't have a mask on so took mine off and she actually said sir you have to wear a mask. I said there are three of you not wearing one so I'm not, she said we are behind the counter and have plexiglass. The plexiglass is about two feet wide and maybe three foot tall at the register. They quickly put their masks on, probably cussing me after I left. I told them I don't give a shit if they wear one but if that is their rule and you expect me to wear one then they need to as well.
Did they not realize you too were behind plexiglass from their position?
 

jufonuk

not tag worthy
The US Banned travel from China within days of when Europe did. Similar for lockdowns. The EU is the only region besides South America which has countries which have had worse death rates than the US, including the UK, Italy, Spain, and Belgium.

All you have is the typical European ignorance that always shows up when the US is mentioned.
No it’s just the free health care talking.
We’ve had enough of you Chad/ my fathers a lawyer frat boy behaviour


Let’s all be good and work this out. Save as many as we can.
 
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Batiman

Banned
I walk into a store and three workers behind the desk didn't have a mask on so took mine off and she actually said sir you have to wear a mask. I said there are three of you not wearing one so I'm not, she said we are behind the counter and have plexiglass. The plexiglass is about two feet wide and maybe three foot tall at the register. They quickly put their masks on, probably cussing me after I left. I told them I don't give a shit if they wear one but if that is their rule and you expect me to wear one then they need to as well.
You’re a bad ass!

jk

you’re right tho
 
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