Joe T.
Member
It does, just not at slowing a virus. We spent months watching this mask experiment play out live and it failed. Trust the data and evidence.
Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany - 20 days after becoming mandatory masks reduce infections by 45% at zero economic cost
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It does, just not at slowing a virus. We spent months watching this mask experiment play out live and it failed. Trust the data and evidence.
cryptoadam
Banned
So the US just freed a Osama henchmen who took part in the bombings of Embassies in Africa killing 200+ people. The reason?
Because he was too fat. BMI of 36 put him at risk.
Why not just have him wear a face mask and he will be fine?
Odd that a convicted terrorist is being released from prison because of being fat, but the general population the idea of being a fatty and increased risk is barely talked about. Buried along with vitamin D.
Because he was too fat. BMI of 36 put him at risk.
Why not just have him wear a face mask and he will be fine?
Odd that a convicted terrorist is being released from prison because of being fat, but the general population the idea of being a fatty and increased risk is barely talked about. Buried along with vitamin D.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Interesting article on something absolutely nobody seems interested in, which is why the lab experiments that show masks work are not translating into the real world
medicalxpress.com
Instead of thinking this through most seem tojust rail at people for not masking hard enough, which is insane.
Face masks cut disease spread in the lab, but have less impact in the community. We need to know why
In controlled laboratory situations, face masks appear to do a good job of reducing the spread of coronavirus (at least in hamsters) and other respiratory viruses. However, evidence shows mask-wearing policies seem to have had much less impact on the community spread of COVID-19.
Instead of thinking this through most seem tojust rail at people for not masking hard enough, which is insane.
cryptoadam
Banned
As a continuation of my post above.
Masks work, except in prisons where you have an subservient and obedient population.
Criminals get let out of prison because its so dangerous, but the idea of just giving every prisoner a 5 cent China mask never crossed the minds of Democrat leaders.
Masks work, except in prisons where you have an subservient and obedient population.
Criminals get let out of prison because its so dangerous, but the idea of just giving every prisoner a 5 cent China mask never crossed the minds of Democrat leaders.
Jon Neu
Banned
You have to be literally retarded to not use a mask.
-At best case scenario, it works and prevents more people from dying.
-At worst case scenario, does nothing and it's a tiny inconvenience.
By large, the medical community highly recomends it's use, so I rather listen to them.
diffusionx
Gold Member
At this stage you have to be retarded to think they're doing anything to stop transmission. Maybe when there were reasons to think it could be helpful in April, but after 6 months of high mask usage (70%-90%+) and with skyrocketing cases, mask people need to explain what is going on and how we can get lower transmission, because we tried their way and it's not working.
This is not political or to be contentious, it's just a fact. I'm tired of being gaslit about this when it's such obvious bullshit. We need to live in reality not magical fantasy Fauci world.
And it's possible that masks are actually worse than nothing, primarily along the "false sense of security" line. Would anyone be surprised if somebody comes out with a study in 3 years saying, "yea actually that mask thing was a huge mistake"? And also... we have spent so much time browbeating everyone over masks, it's just a waste of time and energy that could have been spent on more productive things.
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Jon Neu
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Sorry, but I just don't take the opinion of someone in a forum as relevant in regards to public health compared to the guidelines of the medical community at large.
THAT would be retarded.
Cases skyrocket because people's bad behaviour, but without masks there would be even much more cases.
Some people fixation with attacking masks it's just weird.
diffusionx
Gold Member
We aren't getting "guidelines of the medical community at large", we are getting the approved viewpoints of a handful of people, with all other discussion on the matter censored and banished from the public.
Sorry but there's no evidence of that. Because the mask people literally said that if 80% of people wore masks, the pandemic would be controlled. Now, with 95% mask usage, the pandemic is out of control. That needs to be explained, because they said it. Part of a scientific debate is holding people accountable for the predictions they made. The disconnect between mask effectiveness in the lab and in reality needs to be explained. Yet instead of explaining it is just more demands we mask harder. That's not science.
it's not about "attacking masks", it is about finding truth and reality in this situation.
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Jon Neu
Banned
Most western countries and most international medical organizations, guided by the medical community, have recommended the use of masks.
And what censorship are you talking about? You can talk whatever you want everywhere.
You use one example out of context, manipulate it and then try to hold "mask people" responsible for your own made up stats.
Again, sorry, but none of that matters.
Reality isn't a controlled lab.
There.
The truth is that it's scientifically proven that masks help to prevent the spread of the Covid. You even cite the study that reflects that the masks work much better in a controlled lab environment than in real life, but that means that they still work in real life, just not that at the same rate.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Every social media site has an official policy that says that any discussion about COVID outside of the approved WHO/Gates narrative is not allowed, and you get banned for it. They publicly announced it and are proud of it, it's not a secret. Many doctors and other scientists have gotten banned for it. Obviously, the media is not bringing anyone on who doesn't to agree with the WHO/Gates narrative. So, in essence, they constructed a unanimity of opinion on this,
All these organizations, based on decades of research going back to the 1900s, also said that widespread mask usage was *not* needed in the beginning. Literally everybody was on the same page on this There was a massive about face all of the sudden, based on very little. So, think about that.
There is no me putting anything "out of context."
If 80% of Americans Wore Masks, COVID-19 Infections Would Plummet, New Study Says
There’s compelling evidence that Japan, Hong Kong, and other East Asian locales are doing it right and we should really, truly mask up—fast.
If everyone wore a mask, Covid-19 could be brought under control, CDC director urges
"If we could get everybody to wear a mask right now, I really think in the next four, six, eight weeks, we could bring this epidemic under control," the CDC director said.
www.statnews.com
I can explain the problem, if they won't. It's the same problem that led to the disastrous lockdown policies, bad modeling. The bad modeling is that they vastly overstate the effectiveness of masks. They plug the numbers into their Excel sheet or R or MatLab model, come out, and then tell it to everyone. But instead of fixing their models, and coming up with new ideas on what to do, they just double down and blame people for getting an easily contracted illness.
So, we need to focus on things that work in reality, not the lab.
There.
The evidence for masks and COVID is really scant, localized (e.g. this one article in the OP about one town in Germany, ignoring the thousands of other mask mandates that went into place followed by continued increases), limited, and betrayed by more comprehensive analyses, studies, and of course research history going back 100+ years. As I said before, maybe in April, it made sense to go with it, because why not, we have no other option here, but months on, it was just a waste of time yet people are so fixated on goddamn masks that they can't think of this virus in any but the most cartoonish and simplistic way - if you get sick, it's because you didn't mask hard enough.
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Magenta Mage
Banned
If we aren't supposed to believe organizations like the CDC, WHO, and others, then who is worthy of believing? I'm not a doctor, scientist, or researcher. I don't have the capability to test and study things like this by myself. So I have to defer to people who are experts in this field, who pretty universally seem to believe that masks work.
I consider myself a fundamentally pretty skeptical person, but there are limits. There are many things I am incapable of studying or understanding fully by myself. I have to trust somebody else. Who do I trust?