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FaceApp apparently now has race filters. I never got the humor in these.
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viciouskillersquirrel
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Looking at when the filters got taken down, it looks like I was about one of the last people who got to see it working. I took my earlier "International Squirrel Brothers" picture and did some extra processing on it within the app. It holds up surprisingly well.
I can't even imagine what life would be like for Asian female me, the kinds of pressures she is (and isn't under). Would European male me have the same kind of job I do? Would African female me be even the slightest bit interested in video games? Does Indian male me have a good home life? I just don't know.
This is why I find the technology fascinating. It offers me a window into a world that doesn't exist, but is just plausible enough that it forces me to think about things from other people's point of view. I think it's a shame people's misuse of the app led to it being taken down, though I understand why it was necessary.
The thing that I keep seeing in these faces isn't just my own face, but also the fact that each of them, in the hypothetical alternate reality where they're real people, are very different people to me, have different backgrounds, different histories, different challenges and different goals. The way they see the world is different to me, even though for all intents and purposes they are me.Original (Latino):
Indian:
Asian:
African:
European:
I can't even imagine what life would be like for Asian female me, the kinds of pressures she is (and isn't under). Would European male me have the same kind of job I do? Would African female me be even the slightest bit interested in video games? Does Indian male me have a good home life? I just don't know.
This is why I find the technology fascinating. It offers me a window into a world that doesn't exist, but is just plausible enough that it forces me to think about things from other people's point of view. I think it's a shame people's misuse of the app led to it being taken down, though I understand why it was necessary.
ronaldthump
Member
Oh, here's mine I faceapp'd before it went down.
Speaking of racial empathy, it was the first thing on my mind while using it. If a computer can see that we're basically all the same jumble of features and various skin colors, why can't we eventually see past them as well?
that app is seriously incredible. asian you looks like a real person. in fact, they all do.
ronaldthump
Member
Audioboxer
Member
When it stays the same sex the results can be pretty insane at times. It legitimately looks like it's just a photo of another person, not a crude photoshop, or just someone adding fake glasses. I think this is in part what makes many feel "uncomfortable" at first, as they can still recognise themselves, but they look convincingly like someone else. Occasionally what gives the male to female, or female to male filters away is what it does with hair. More so when it tries to make long hair short, or short hair long. Hair needs improvements.
Due to how well the app/tech does things, it probably could be the grounds for a genuine scientific study to see if seeing yourself as a different gender/race, but still being able to somewhat recognise yourself in the picture, impacts bias on feelings on different sex/race(s).
I'm not qualified yet, but it's seriously an interesting proposal to explore for anyone in the psychological fields/scientific fields. It'll have been tested before in other ways (racial/gender bias), but this technology could be new grounds for controlled experimentation. I honestly don't think it's a stretch to say very small social consequences could come from literally millions of people putting photos of themselves into an app that shows them looking normal as other races/sex. However, that is what would need to be tested on a large scale and in a controlled environment. I'd honestly put a bet on this being done, if not soon, not too far into the future.
Icyflamez96
Member
how does this app work if you're wearing a hat. Does it take it as hair?
BlackBanditSho
Member
still fascinated by this app. I want it back. It totally shows me the world in a new way. I'm legit in awe of some of this tech.
It's sad that the legions of perpetually offended won't allow people to enjoy stuff like this.
It'll come back. If FaceApp won't bring it back, their dev team will disappear, and the tech will resurface elsewhere.
Just_myles
Member
Now that I think about it... hm....
GuitarAtomik
Member
Jean Valjean
Member
Oh man, I'm too late. No fun allowed indeed.
You need to change your pic to various faces and then see how it affects your job offerings. For science.
Allegedly, it was a server-side update that removed the filter. There is no way to get it back.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
It is a machine learning algorithm that does the actual processing and that took place server side. You're fresh out of luck, I'm afraid.
Compsiox
Banned
They added a new filter recently, "hitman" filter, which is basically a bald filter.
I miss the race filters though
I was really disappointed on the Hitman filter, I was expecting it to remove facial hair as well. What a bummer.
The young face removes facial hair. Do one first and then add the other.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
Uh... the hit man filter seems to be a race filter. It thins my lips and turns me white like the European filter did.They added a new filter recently, "hitman" filter, which is basically a bald filter.
I miss the race filters though
any barcodes?
Mitchollow
Neo Member
Whitehawk, I don't know how to contact you, but I want to ask you a favor. I regret tweeting that pic you posted. I deleted it off Twitter but I found it here as well. Would you mind doing deleting this old post of yours?Really hope they add it back. Even if they ask us to pay for it.
Anyway found a few more on Twitter
This dad gets it:
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cryptoadam
Banned
Was this thing really taken down because of outrage mob culture calling it racist?
infinitys_7th
Member
He's probably gone, but
EviLore
or a mod would be able to help you.You might also want to look at any archives, like the Wayback Machine, if you want to utterly scrub it.
Mitchollow
Neo Member
I’ve already edited the posts for ya.
Mitchollow
Neo Member
Thanks!
ResilientBanana
Member
The app looks neat and appears to be respectful. That being said, I don't know what is like to be anything other than White and don't quite understand the negative side effects of something like this. Although it's interesting to see where AI can be taken.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I just downloaded it. No race bending feature
It was removed right after launch in the wake of social media outrage, and this thread is from August 2017.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Man... I wanted to see how I'd look as Asian.
1 - Stop calling them "minorities". The world isn't America and Europe. Black people are not minorities in African countries, Indians are not minorities in India and Asians are not minorities in Asian countries, etc. In fact, white Europeans number fewer world-wide than Africans, Indians and Asians and our numbers are declining rapidly.
2 - "Not all minorities have the exact same features" This app doesn't give all minorities the exact same features, so your argument is a fallacy. Go and look at all the black and Asian faces that have been posted and you will see they all look distinctly different. None of them have the exact same nose and lips.
3 - " Not all minorities have the exact same features so to have a black filter makes no sense" - It DOES make sense. Different races look distinctly different because our facial features, facial bone structure, eye shapes, nose shapes, lip sizes, hair type and texture, hair and eye colour etc. are on average different in appearance. That is just biological reality. If all races and indigenous people across different regions looked interchangeable, then then you would have seen pure Nigerian or Korean women looking like Amy Adams and Sage Watson walking around in Nigeria and Korea. That is not the case, is it? (Of course not talking about immigrants here).
While not all black people have a super wide and super flat nose and huge lips like George Floyd, black Bantu African people still do have wider, flatter noses and larger lips on average compared to Europeans. Google is your friend. Google any famous west African football player and you will see what I mean. They also have, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, the tightly coiled kinky hair. I was born in Zambia and then moved to Namibia and I have NEVER seen a black person with natural European hair, i.e. straight, wavy or loosely curled. Even mixed race black people's hair doesn't look European, because the curls are different. Biracial black people have loose coils, almost like spirally telephone cords, while European curly is irregular. No the nose shapes and lip sizes definitely do vary more than the hair, but still, their noses are on average wider and flatter. Additionally, on the spectrum of nose shapes, black noses occupy the extremely wide and flat side of the spectrum and no white people have noses on that end of the spectrum. There is not a single white person on the planet with a nose like George Floyd - that phenotype doesn't exist among Europeans. Likewise white people's noses occupy the small end of the nose spectrum. There is not a single black person that has a nose like Amy Adams. Not one. Lips vary more. There are indeed some black people with thin lips, but that is unusual. However, there are no white European alive on this planet that have lips anywhere nearly as large as that of George Floyd, maybe not even half as large.
So your whole premise is just false. No, the app does not give non-whites the exact same features, and no, it is not a stereotype that certain races have certain physical traits. If a Chinese artist drew a Chinese character and gave her the eyes without double eyelids, would you complain to them about stereotyping Asian eyes even though 1.4 billion Chinese have eyes that look like that? You probably won't, because they will think you are an insane person.
" it's better to acknowledge why people had a problem with it in a first place."
People have a problem with it because they are deranged and neurotic.
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Alrighty then
RokkanStoned
Member
I mean... he did get the last word in though.
Though I do question some of his claims, especially as people have been gettin' it on, meaning that I'm pretty sure you can find some who would be viewed as "black" with a similar nose as Amy Adams. Not that it matters, it was just a goddamn face filter.
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I started reading responses from page one without seeing the year posted and got very scared.
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
I immediately started searching for this app cause it looks like a riot. Then I saw the year posted. Then I saw the reports of social media mobs ruining the fun. Then I realized it has been three years and the lunacy has only gotten worse.
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Ideological mitosis.