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Factor 5's PS3 game "Lair"

trippingmartian said:
The animation is horrible. The dragons look like stop-motion puppets.
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I was honestly reminded of Godzilla. The art seems very similar.

Technically, very impressive. But that's going to be the story next-gen. It's art design that will make the greatest difference.
 
Socreges said:
I was honestly reminded of Godzilla. The art seems very similar.

Technically, very impressive. But that's going to be the story next-gen. It's art design that will make the greatest difference.
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And animation. A game can have the best art and the best graphics in the world, but if it animates like a 1930s claymation production it will look like shit.
 
olimario said:
And animation. A game can have the best art and the best graphics in the world, but if it animates like a 1930s claymation production it will look like shit.
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I kind of like the stop motion / godzilla look to it.

In the rush to the next generation, lets not all get lost in the race for realism. In some ways, the next gen is more interesting to me for the potential for impressionism in gaming. A bit of imagination and stylisation.

course, this is Factor 5, so your point is probably valid .. :)
 
I think the fact that it was in the rain just made everything look plastic shinny like and 3d work like that is a major turn off to me

I shall reserve judgement till more is shown
 
There is a reason Factor 5 uses machines and vechiles predominiatly, they can not animate life. Simple as that. They should stick to machines.
 
I was honestly reminded of Godzilla. The art seems very similar.
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That is the first thing I thought when I saw it :lol

The spectular lighting is way too strong. It looks like KY dragon fighting.

Nothing in that trailer couldn't be done on X360
 
Society said:
There is a reason Factor 5 uses machines and vechiles predominiatly, they can not animate life. Simple as that. They should stick to machines.
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they should stick to making graphic engines.. and thats it.
 
I don't get the bashing of the animation. The trailer did remind me of those old stop-motion animation monster movies, but it looked like a deliberate sylistic choice to me.

Of course, being a Factor 5 game, I'm skeptical if the game will actually be good.
 
element said:
That is the first thing I thought when I saw it :lol

The spectular lighting is way too strong. It looks like KY dragon fighting.

Nothing in that trailer couldn't be done on X360
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we cant say if it can be done on xbox 360 or not. but we can say that no xbox 360 SO FAR is this good


maybe you wouldnt agree with me. but thats how i think the situation is for ME
 
we cant say if it can be done on xbox 360 or not. but we can say that no xbox 360 SO FAR is this good
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Yes we can. Personally I think that gundam trailer was more impressive than this anyway. And I dont even like mech games.
 
element said:
Gears of War looks better IMO
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i really dont want to argue with you about this. because none of us will change the mind of the other.

to each has his own. whatever makes you happy.
 
llTll said:
we cant say if it can be done on xbox 360 or not. but we can say that no xbox 360 SO FAR is this good


maybe you wouldnt agree with me. but thats how i think the situation is for ME
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Were you staring too closely at the video as it played? You might need to clean some of that excess KY jelly off of yer goggles.

I think it looks good, but there's really not much there to even see, really.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Were you staring too closely at the video as it played? You might need to clean some of that excess KY jelly off of yer goggles.

I think it looks good, but there's really not much there to even see, really.
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well.. lets just say i dig the graphics of this game. the CG look and feel into it. dragons, the details [ the eyes, muscles, rain, amazing amount of dragons on screen. ]

truly impressive
 
Gears of War looks better IMO
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Technically? I don't think GoW looks as good, or any Unreal 3 stuff for that matter. This thing has some insane amount of high quality detail going on and still a pretty much perfect frame rate. I mean in some shots you can see pores on that thing, which also cause imperfect specularity reflections and stuff like that. Or compare the quality of particle effects used for rain to quality of U3 particle effects, like fire and explosions in PS3 demo or GoW.
 
Looks like a poor CGI movie....or a better than average next gen product. The visuals are nice, the thousand dragon dressing is kinda stupid...game play might be decent..just another run of the mill next gen offering, if this was this gen it would be GOTY, but next gen, it's something Majesco would push at a budget price.

DCX
 
Wow, you guys actually think this looks better than GOW? It looks nice but not better than this but to each its own:

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Why does every thread about a next gen exclusive need to turn into a little fanboy debate?

The video is shit, from what we can see Factor 5 hasn't forgotten how to make a strong engine, can't we just withhold judgement and comparisons until some less asstastic media is released?

Could be a good game if F5 avoids the obvious pitfall of making it play like Rogue Leader with dragon models instead of ships.
 
Yeah, I was about to mention that such comparisons right now are pointless. The Lair media is really bad quality - all of IGN's Playstation Meeting videos have lost colour and detail vs the real deal.
 
DCX said:
just another run of the mill next gen offering, if this was this gen it would be GOTY, but next gen, it's something Majesco would push at a budget price.

DCX
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You've derived all that from...early raw footage of a tech demo?

Is there something about the next gen consoles that fried the synapses in peoples brains and now all logic is fleeting?
 
Drek said:
The video is shit, from what we can see Factor 5 hasn't forgotten how to make a strong engine, can't we just withhold judgement and comparisons until some less asstastic media is released?
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Quoted for truth. Especially the shit part, what a crappy trailer. At least Chris Hülsbeck delivers! Much love.
 
dicklaurent said:
Quoted for truth. Especially the shit part, what a crappy trailer. At least Chris Hülsbeck delivers! Much love.
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from a direction/framing perspective, it was pretty poor.
 
hukasmokincaterpillar said:
You've derived all that from...early raw footage of a tech demo?

Is there something about the next gen consoles that fried the synapses in peoples brains and now all logic is fleeting?
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You will see, then all logic will be returned to their proper owners...

DCX
 
Redbeard said:
So were they making this for the 360 before they were compelled by the power of PS3?
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According to thier president this is a Sony + Factor 5 game (I think), Sony wanted to work on something new.

I don't think this was ever suppose x360 game. And for the people who are saying it looks ugly and shit I say we give em time, this is only a teaser trailer and it looks early, the backround are absent!
 
According to thier president this is a Sony + Factor 5 game (I think), Sony wanted to work on something new.
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Flashes "Sony Computer Entertainment America" right in the middle of the video, I'd take that as a big hint that a Sony team is actually playing something of an active role with the project.
 
Definitely too much of the shiny shine in use here and the dragon models they came up with look like the bastard children of the models from Dragonheart and Dragonslayer, but if the mid-air fight at the end of the video is what F5 is aiming for as gameplay then I really hope they pull it off, because this is the kind of scenario I've been wanting to play out in a game for a long time.
 
In all honestly, it looks good, but deffinitely not mind blowing considering it's just a Panzer Dragoon Orta, without the beatuiful backdrops and a lot more dragons. That's exactly what it reminded me of. PDO next gen minus good looking backgrounds.
 
Wow, you guys actually think this looks better than GOW? It looks nice but not better than this but to each its own:
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When you see GoW in motion, it's just not all that. I'm not saying this trailer is all that either, but it definitely has some more impressive stuff going on the technical level.

where the hell in this video does it look like stop motion animation?
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I don't understand that either. Stop motion animation is characteristic for having your animated objects moving at lover framerate than the rest of the camera shot. (say 10-15FPS vs. 24FPS) which gives them an uneven and jerky motion. That's very typical for the mentioned Harryhausen stop motion animations, for example. Where in this trailer you can see any of that? Dragons move very smoothly.
 
Holy Jesus mutherfucking Christ. Best graphics since Killzone demo.

The art sucks and anyway we can't really figure out what it will be later "as a game" but just from a graphical stand point, it's amazing. This shit really looks next gen.
 
ThirdEye said:
Everytime I see this GoW pic I wonder "hey how can this guy stick his arm dramatically like that in a game which supposed to be a shooter? Is it even an in-game shot?"
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It's part of a melee minigame.
 
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