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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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cyberheater
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Any source for this. My wife's friend and her family are going out there this Monday.
What the fuck
Erdogan himself is in 1937 - or he will be when the death penalty is reinstated.
good god.
Well, at least they are doing everything by the rules. The rules being that now there are no rule except for Erdogan's rule.
No, sorry. My brother called last night to tell us of the plans and i trust him. No idea what the source is for the company.
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Thanks for getting back to me.
What's the word I'm looking for?
Democracy!
Erdogan deciding being like Putin is too soft for him and he wants to be like Lukashenko instead?
I do like the "for a while" though.
I would love to hear Erdogan supporters grasping for a reason for this development.
DEMOCRACY!
Theonik
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He needs the power to go after the Gülenist virus!
He's democratically elected so it's ok. Just doing his job!
Yep. Yep that's it!
maniac-kun
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Why do middle east countries tend to fall into the hands of dictators?
Sultan?
Theonik
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They are very young democracies and often developing nations. Democracy in the west even in countries that only recently became democratic is a very long drawn process.
Poor education and highly religious?
Human rights went on vacation
A lot of people hate each other their and some stupid european in the past, throw country lines without take the fact to account. So those countries only seen to work, if someone is stronger than the other and then suppresses the remaining groups. Of course, as soon as another group gets more powerful, it's payback time. It's a cycle of hate, wrong proud and poor people (which are always easy to manipulate) with nothing much to lose.
The middle east, like many other parts of the world, were as advance (and in some points even ground breaking) and had similar chances like the rest of the world. But we european fuck them up (I blame mainly the UK in the old days and Russia and the US in the last century).
In other words it is very complicated and most people don't even know, why they hate each other to begin with or the reasons are extremely trivial today.
Europeans didn't fully dominate the region in post-Islamic conquest times until after WW1, and hadn't made significant strides that far before then, yet the Middle East wasn't exactly the most developed or the most stable part of the world by that point anyway.
Yeah it is the west's fault again, you really think the middle eastern countries have no responsibilities for their current state?
I didn't say, that the European are responsible for the hate. I said, the countries were created by them and those people at the time, didn't think things through. The middle east could have solved their problems them self, but a constantly circle of hate doesn't allow them.
Sadly no leader ever said "Maybe we should stop hating each other and say, that we all were asshols at one time. Let's move on."
You should call them "Erdogan-Versteher".
Actually the amendment below that specifically states that bodily integrity still holds.
Of course we know that doesn't mean shit with all the soldiers currently being tortured.
Pro Asyl already expects a wave of Turkish refugees fleeing the country and coming to Germany. Them clashing with Erdogan supporters here could be quite dangerous. Although I don't know how far they would go.
andythinkpad
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Europe started the idea of modern nation states but it has been adopted by the rest of the world.
It's each state's own responsibility to figure out a working government and system of check and balance. Look Iran didn't follow the western modern exactly and they figured out something working by themselves.
Like Kabouter said, the decline of the Middle East happened before the west became a part of the equation. The Ottoman Empire was large but not well run and it ran itself to the ground.
To be fair, from 1517 to 1989 the Arab world (minus Oman) was defined entirely by decisions made in Constantinople, London, Paris, Washington and Moscow. this does not apply to Turkey, but is still worth mentioning.
"Constantinople" by that time was already called Istanbul (since 1453) and was the seat of the Ottoman Empire until WW1 and it was also where the caliphate and thus the head of the Muslim world was. It's not an outside source.
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Why not quote the whole tweet? :/ İt says "like France" at the end. That said, why are countries who are in a state of emergency doing this?
I would write Istanbul, but outside of the empire the city was known as Constantinople up until 20th century. So it makes sense to use that name in this context
Despite being Sunni Muslim and adopting the title of Caliphs, the Ottomans were foreign invaders and nothing will change that.
France suspended human right?
You might be mistaking it with SoE, which France have imposed but due to terrorism actions they can't seem to control, while this was over before it even began in Turkey and is not the same IMO.
The reasoning for the two are widely different.
Idk but they are doing their own fair share of harassing citizens in the name of counter-terrorism.
GasProblem
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The CNN Turk tweet. I don't remember reading about France suspending the ECHR though.
If by harassing you mean breach of privacy then yeah.
But they are getting flak from everyone for imposing those rules and still not being able to stop them.
But I've yet to see France jail 1/3 of their juridical system and more.
I'm pretty sure we would have heard about that.
Mr. Giggles
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They did last November.
http://mobil.derstandard.at/2000026414117/Frankreich-setzt-nach-Anschlaegen-Menschenrechtskonvention-teilweise-aus (German)
NyMartin90
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While it was renamed in 1453, it was still called "Constantinople" by many Europeans until after the Turkish War of Independence as I see from western sources in my thesis on the Ottoman entry into WW1. German, British, and French foreign ministers continually called it Constantinople including the British and German Press. Most Turkish sources do always call it Istanbul like Ahmed Djemal's Memoirs.
So I guess it was based on perspective until Ataturk changed the language and capital.
Also I think the influence of the Great Powers played a large role on their actual dissolution, during which there were tons of reforms made to save the empire.
The middle east and the ottoman empire were mostly free of the west's influence until they lost the first world war and became subjugated by the allies. They were in extreme decadence way before that, and lots of countries like albania and bulgaria declared independence autonomosly from the ottoman empire with basically no repercussions.
There's a reason the ottoman empire was called the ill man of europe and the revolution of the young turks happened.
To call the zone advanced as the rest of the west is disingenous. A big part of the motivations of the young turks was to modernize the country and end its decadence. The country had 0 Km of rails when england had 6000 and austria 800. The inauguration of the Orient Express had to take a boat to actually end in Instanbul because there were no rail to connect the city to anywhere.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Well, that should keep them save until Erdogan introduces the death penalty and they can't be deported back as Greece abides by European rules.
If not... well, they can still beat up some inmates or something near the end of their sentence.
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