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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
3 months and 1 day later
Those gulenist are still around. There for I have to extend the State of emergency indefinitely in till all of them are found
paperboywriter
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So what does this mean?
SilentRacoon
Member
I can't wait to see all the democracy that will happen behind that smoke screen.
I mean how is this not seen as a coup in itself, it's just ridiculous at this point.
It means Erdogan is reaffirming his massive hate-boner for Gulen and his movement; Erdogan will attempt to utterly stamp out Gulen's influence in the country over the next 3 months.
Dies he have enough prison cells for over 10 million people?
Time to build some concentration camps.
Mr. Giggles
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I don't understand, him and Gulen were good buddies until they fell out.... do you hate someone that much that this is the extent you go to?
Well, they want death penalty back for the coupists, so that's not really an issue.
Theonik
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Building more is his solution to future economic problems. It will be his Autobahn.
Ragnar Blackmane
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They never were. The enmity between Russia and Turkey is more than 200 years old (there is a reason why Turkey was willing to join the NATO in the 50s) and Erdogan is a huge thorn in the sides of Putin's sphere of influence in the Middle East (particularly Syria) and he is becoming a bigger threat by the minute. Shooting down that jet didn't help either.
andythinkpad
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That's still not the most stupid thing a dictator can do. IMO the most stupid thing Erdogan has done was pissed off Russia/US/Europe at the same time. Who is he going to borrow money from to prop up the economy? Certainly not China.
Ziltoidia 9
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Buy yay! Democratically elected!
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Was watching his speech to the nation live. As İ already stated, the dude is scared about an economic collapse. Half his speech was about that everything was going to be alright with the economy and that S&P are just trying to mess with Turkey. His call out sounded weaker then in the past. Heck he took the time to call out a credit rating agency at a speech about a failed coup attempt, that says enough. Let's see what Fitch and Moody's are going to do.
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_/¯I see a construction industry boom on the horizon; lots of prisons to build.
Ragnar Blackmane
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The Saudis I guess.
Serbia has always been there.
Hate is a corrosive emotion, it chips away at reason and rationale.
It's a well known fact that the rating agencies are controlled by Gulen (for Russian readers: they are controlled by George Soros).
Captain Smoker
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Nowhere, the coup and especially his reaction fucked the future of an entire economy in 5 days.
The state of emergency in the next three months wont bring any benefits either.
As I predicted, S&P and Moody's already lowered Turkeys ranking.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Conflict News said:
Uhhh, I see where this is going...
He is not mincing words for sure.
TheSecondSpitter
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Mr. Giggles
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You seem to be, that's for sure.
Who needs receipts for the existence of the sun, huh?
He's convinced that Gulen is behind everything.
Consequently, he's targeting Gulen's base of support, which is probably why he also went after judges and police officers, since AKP think that Gulen has influence over them.
Honestly, he's gonna look dumb as fuck if the USA rejects the evidence Turkey provided them, regarding Gulen's alleged involvement in the coup.
More like going insane laughter than enjoying myself laughter.
It's like a bad dream. It never ends.
And the threats just keeps pouring out of him. I don't even know anymore.
Mans clinically insane.
Mr. Giggles
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He's a dick head for sure.
What are the chances we see another Egypt here?
He can't think by doing this he's not just creating more pissed off people
Well his Erdodrones still march to their graves for the man and as long as he "strong arms" the west he's gonna be a hero.
No matter what the west do he wins.
NATO is also becoming a joke when it comes to turkey, as he is continually threatening other alliance members and ignoring everyone but himself. That's not how the alliance and any defensive alliance works.
DudeWithNoName
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My guess is this guy prefers a ditch to a prison for his opposition.¯_(ツ
I see a construction industry boom on the horizon; lots of prisons to build.
Mr. Giggles
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Is it bad that I want the Turkish economy to go in the shitter?
Nothing gets people motivated for change when the dollars start drying up.....I mean, look at him cave to Putin
I hope they have more and better plans
NyMartin90
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P98PvrqpHbI
Bloomberg is claiming Kerry has said there is no evidence and no reason to extradite Gulen.
Bloomberg is claiming Kerry has said there is no evidence and no reason to extradite Gulen.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
İt means that Gülen infiltrated important positions like judges, prosecuters, police chiefs, generals, üniversity deens, politicians, bankers etc. With the purpose of carrying out Gulen 's policies and not the governments. Hence parallel... meaning a parallel powerstructure alongside the government.
How did this happen? Good question, they started in the 70's, so pretty slow i guess. lol
You question the Sultan's words? I am sorry that is none of my business. It is after all a democracy, and you are free to express your opinions
*Calls 1-800-Rat-On-Your Neighbour Hotline*
"Hello, Sultan?! I found one of those Gulenists you've told us to keep a lookout for!"
From wikipedia's article on the "parallel state":
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has used the term "parallel state" (or "parallel structure") to describe followers of Fethullah Gülen who occupy senior bureaucratic and judicial positions, which have been accused of attempting to bring down Erdoğan's government. This is in contrast to the meaning of the term initially coined by Paxton, and instead resembles the term "state within a state." Gülen's Cemaat movement, which has a large presence within Turkey, has allegedly been involved in limiting the power of the Turkish Armed Forces through the Ergenekon trials and the Sledgehammer case while allied with Erdoğan. Following the 2013-14 protests against Erdoğan's government, the Cemaat Movement turned against Erdoğan, who thus labelled them as a "parallel state." Erdoğan has blamed Gülen's followers on orchestrating the 2013 government corruption scandal.
Much of that "parallel society" stuff revolves around the perceived notion (by the AKP) that Gulen's followers have infiltrated high-level positions in the government/society and is attempting to dismantle Erdogan's regime.
Gulen's movement also ran the the country’s highest-selling newspaper, Zaman. Coupled with the support for the movement among some unversity campuses, AKP believe that Gulen's influence permeates a sizable portion of Turkish society, hence the parallel state/society fear-mongering.
Erdogan and Gulen worked together to topple the secular regimes, but since then they've turned on each other.
andythinkpad
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BTW, is there a (meaningless) term limit coming up for President Erdogan?
Could still happen...
NyMartin90
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His presidential term will end in 2019, the term for Sultans are for life.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I didn't realize that this barbarian Erdogan had seized the last remaining churches in Diyarbakir back in Late March/Early April.
Disgusting. Everyone who supports this lunatic is a terrible person.
Disgusting. Everyone who supports this lunatic is a terrible person.
Aren't there a lot of salty people the world who hate on Ataturk for eliminating the Caliphate? I remember as kid being told in a mosque gathering that Kamal had no legal authority to eliminate the position of Caliph. So I suppose Erdogan taking the mantle would be an Islamist wet dream.
NyMartin90
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RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Not only his followers. Everybody in Turkey knows about Gulen's presence in society. Only it's not exactly clear how big that presence exactly is. Nobody knows who is what, hence the big scope of the purge. Like they know a tumor is growing somewhere in the arm, but they don't know where. So they cut of the entire arm.
But the thing is, the primary reason Gulen was able to get hold on so many important positions was because the AKP needed them to battle the Kemalist army (see Sledgehammer/ Ergenekon case). So they turned a blind eye to Gülen for like 10 years and coorperated with them. Heck they even got ministers posts and the two "Gülen" judges of the supreme council who just got booted were also appointed by an AKP president (Abdullah Gül). So the AKP helped them in power. Before that governments always tried to battle that movement, the reason why Gülen had to flee to the US.
Lastly the generals who got jailed in 2012 because of Gülen/ AKP are now back in power. You can't make this shit up.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Erdogan's rhetoric is getting nicer by the minute.Conflict News said:
You can find that part of the speech in this video. Lots of cancer mataphors being thrown around.
Also according to the BBC:
I find this as cynical as it gets.BBC World News said:
Are the newly released generals the old secular ones? I have trouble imagining anyone being released after prison terms as having any great loyalty to Erdogan at least.
Would be hilarious in a way if the first thing they did upon being released were to plan and enact their own coup, recognizing the mess Erdogan has made.
Would be hilarious in a way if the first thing they did upon being released were to plan and enact their own coup, recognizing the mess Erdogan has made.
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