It's a bit more complex. He projects a really moderate image and he's not hardcore islamist for sure, but he's more about political control.
https://newrepublic.com/article/116044/fethullah-gulen-turkish-prime-minister-erdogans-biggest-rival
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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It's a bit more complex. He projects a really moderate image and he's not hardcore islamist for sure, but he's more about political control.
https://newrepublic.com/article/116044/fethullah-gulen-turkish-prime-minister-erdogans-biggest-rival
yanipheonu
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Oddly enough, I had just watched a TV program on Turkey. While it focused on some of the culture and cuisine, it was clear there was also the problem of ethnic groups being squashed under Islamic Fundamentalism, and the growing tensions within the country.
I did use Google(Edited my post) just would of rather had a conversation about it.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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I don't like Erdogan but a coup is always a bad thing.
He is democratically elected.
He is democratically elected.
Mr. Giggles
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holy shit.
Its a coup.
Its a coup.
This is saying:
Prime minister "this is a coup, nobody need to worry democracy will prevail" etc
TheLostBigBoss
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PdotMichael
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based on the constitution.
That's exactly the job of the Turkish Army.
That's exactly the job of the Turkish Army.
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They don't have their own, but America stations some there. I wouldn't worry about that, the military won't be wanting to upset America.
Before anyone starts cheering at this being a coup. Do we know who the rebells are? No!!!
A military coup in a country which at this point is a barrel full of gun powder.... Yeah, totally cool.
This could turn into a bloody disaster if it's a group of hardliners. If the coup fails, Erdogan will go full paranoid. Shit, this is really bad.
A military coup in a country which at this point is a barrel full of gun powder.... Yeah, totally cool.
This could turn into a bloody disaster if it's a group of hardliners. If the coup fails, Erdogan will go full paranoid. Shit, this is really bad.
Funky Papa
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The thing that really concerns me is that some years ago Erdogan removed a good number of discolous officials, so there's a chance the Turkish army is not as united it's been in previous coups.
All coups attempts are marred with uncertainty, but I'm feeling incredibly uneasy about a Turkish one in this day and age, specially with the whole mess in the region.
It was incredibly bad. But Erdogan jailed a large number of high ranking military officers (part of whom tried to depose of him earlier: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sledgehammer_(coup_plan) ) and replaced them with stooges. On the one hand this made a coup less likely, on the other hand, a lot more.
LUFTRAUSER
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The military, so secular.
That poor person, everybody saying he had nothing to fear.
Stay safe TurkeyGAF (and that one gaffer).
NYCmetsfan
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Army is a secular institution
I can't help but think this is less the work of secular remnants in the army and more Fethullah.
They have nukes as part of NATO's nuclear sharing policy. As far as I know, they have no direkt control over arming warheads.
Turkey has nuclear weapons provided by NATO. But they are de-facto under Turkish control.
http://thebulletin.org/status-us-nuclear-weapons-turkey
metalslimer
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This cycle is never going to end if the military if forced to step in every time and thing could escalate very quickly
Oh, thank you. Need some education on it
it's not going to be possible to believe anything coming from official turkish sources for a while
Man, such a tough line to draw right? Chavez and Maduro were democratically elected too and they led Venezuela into a ditch. Erdogan was taking similar steps to consolidate his power as they did.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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I'm reading up on him and he seems to be progressive and a better alternative than Erdogan but the way you're talking about a "cult" seems worrying. Is he actually linked to that cult or are they misguided followers?
Please forgive my ignorance.
I hope this doesn't turn into a prolongued bloodbath, for the sake of the citizens of Turkey of course but also more selfishly because of the possible negative implications for Europe...
NYCmetsfan
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again this has happened multiple times during their NATO membership.
The US and other western countries tends to support he coups because they're friendlier with the military
Not the first time and also not the only country...
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Caayn
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This is exactly how it feels. A small group commandering fighter jets, helicopters, tanks and enough forces to disarm local police and block bridges. Something doesn't add up.
Erdogan has huge support in Turkey this could easily turn nasty. You cant predict these things.
Funky Papa
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Ugh.
I'm getting some rather nasty memories from 90's Algeria. Let's hope it doesn't go there.
I don't think anybody's cheering anything on. The last thing the area needs is further destabilization.
Ziltoidia 9
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the leadership in Turkey right now was more conservative in terms of religious beliefs. Is this true?
No that's definitely bullshit. A small group wouldn't be able to seal off Istanbul and Ankara. You need a huge show of force to disarm the police.
And Turkish Military never attempt to overthrow the government without NATO's consent. 1980 coup was planned with top minds in NATO.
This doesn't look like a proper coup btw, as military is in full control of Erdogan and AKP, a full scale restructure of military has happened over couple of years. This sounds more like some high level ISIS related arrests happening, possibly in Turkish Intelligence Agency.
Yeah true.
I mean, they need a lot of logistics behind them if they can get planes in the air.
Forerunner
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Yeah there are nukes at Incirlik Air Base. However, I highly doubt they would attack a US military installation.
TheRealTalker
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do you guys think some foreign powers are likely also involved
as in support
as in support
rokkerkory
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Stay safe Turkey!
Napalm_Frank
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I support this coup. Turkey is a weird country in a sense that it needs the military to push the reset button every once in a while to keep some sense separating the state and religion or overall asshole leaders. Not perhaps the most democratic way to go about it but it has worked for them before.
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