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Fallon forced to change Tonight Show amid Colbert ratings wins
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listen to the madman.
Tbh I didn't even see the Trump interview, all I saw were the hair-rubbing gifs. Did he suck up to him and pretty much treat him like a famous rapper who he's a fan of? Did he grill him? Sounds like it was a bad interview judging your post.
TheLostBigBoss
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HAHAHAHA WOW THAT'S AMAZING OP
Maximus.
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Big fan of Conan of old, but he just seems boring now. Doesn't seem often that he does something exciting or interesting and his interviews feel that way too.
Fallon just laughs and mumbles and laughs. His only time of genuine excitement is during games and skits it seems.
I think Fallon could try harder to be a better host/interviewer.
He's not built for satire, let alone any insightful commentary.
Making more Trump jokes will help a bit, but he won't be nearly as good as that as Colbert (or even Meyers) so I don't think that will sway anyone, and I think the damage is done as he's accessory-to-normalizing-Trump in many ways.
Making more Trump jokes will help a bit, but he won't be nearly as good as that as Colbert (or even Meyers) so I don't think that will sway anyone, and I think the damage is done as he's accessory-to-normalizing-Trump in many ways.
Fallon's format is when adults think they want their own sesame street. Then they realize they are consuming absolute garbage all day (the bachelor, bake offs, once upon a time, big brother, top chef, flip or flop) and can't take it anymore.
Who wants to watch people lip sync? Plinko into a cup of Faygo? WHO IS THIS FOR? WHO IS ENTERTAINED BY THIS?
Who wants to watch people lip sync? Plinko into a cup of Faygo? WHO IS THIS FOR? WHO IS ENTERTAINED BY THIS?
TarpitCarnivore
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People hate him because during the primaries, or post primary, he had Trump on and was too playful with him.
Pretty much. He went down on Trump, wagging his tail just like he does with every single one of his actor or comedian friends. Threw him some of the softest balls ever and ruffled his hair.
It was thoroughly pathetic.
OG Shaka Zulu
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Politics won't save Jimmy. Colbert is just more talented and smarter.
GuessMyUserName
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It works for Colbert because it's what Colbert knows. It's his realm, he's been doing it on his own show for a decade. Jimmy trying politics to beat him just wouldn't make any sense and I imagine the lack of politics is why people watch Fallon anyways... just as it's the reason I don't watch.
But yeah someone mentioned Conan does the Trump stuff really well. He doesn't go over in-depth about the events like Colbert or Seth but he blasts him in a more comedic manner... which still isn't suitable for Fallon because the material requires an offensive edge and Fallon can't do that.
But yeah someone mentioned Conan does the Trump stuff really well. He doesn't go over in-depth about the events like Colbert or Seth but he blasts him in a more comedic manner... which still isn't suitable for Fallon because the material requires an offensive edge and Fallon can't do that.
IggyChooChoo
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SNL is riding its best ratings in like 20 years, and it's all from bashing Trump and his minions. I'm not surprised.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Cant stand Fallon always came across as a mealy mouthed, giddy fan boy.
if bigotry was on the table, Fallon would only fake laugh at it and call it "totally crazy".
Pretty much. He's not a cerebral, observational, witty, or political comedian in any sense. He's a slapstick guy. Slapstick is great, but you have to know how to use it. Using it every night for shallow jokes isn't all that entertaining.
Admiral Woofington
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With Stewart no longer doing the daily show, all people have left is Stephen who was arguably the second most popular political satirist, and John Oliver on HBO. And the latter is in a premium network while the former is on national TV.
Pai Pai Master
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Every new late show has some initial growing pains. CBS wrongfully thought that viewers would line up for a neutered Colbert who shifted his focus away from politics.
I'm sure Colbert would prefer to be doing some light ribbing of President Hillary Clinton right now but circumstances led to this situation where he is back to his old biting satire self and CBS took the leash off, ratings have been strong for a while now.
Conan has definitely come across a bit deflated since the whole Late Night fiasco
Fallon lost his viewers because Colbert is satirizing Trump, and that's what a bunch of people want. But if Fallon tries his hand at satire in response, he'll lose even more viewers because he'll piss off the Trump fans that do watch him AND he won't gain back the lost eyeballs because any Trump satire he tries will still be worse than Colbert.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place. Wonderful karma.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place. Wonderful karma.
Messofanego
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Fallon just couldn't handle second place, huh. Would he kill for ratings?
As gross as that Trump moment was -- it was certainly gross and I have had a hard time watching him at all since -- but if he doesn't feel comfortable doing politics, he shouldn't force himself to do it.
But that doesn't mean he should be tussling the hair of an admitted sexual assaulter either. He can not touch topics while also not doing "gee golly gosh" interviews with racists.
But that doesn't mean he should be tussling the hair of an admitted sexual assaulter either. He can not touch topics while also not doing "gee golly gosh" interviews with racists.
Colbert's weaknesses are in his guest lineup and some of his one-off bits, but now that the gloves are off for Trump, his monologues have been straight fire.
I'm hoping that with the better ratings they can get on some more interesting guests that Colbert can sink his teeth into. Back when he first started the late show he had some great interviews with Rumsfeld and other politicians and had some moments up there with his best Colbert Report interviews.
Fallon can go harder on Trump, but it's just going to come off as manufactured.
I'm hoping that with the better ratings they can get on some more interesting guests that Colbert can sink his teeth into. Back when he first started the late show he had some great interviews with Rumsfeld and other politicians and had some moments up there with his best Colbert Report interviews.
Fallon can go harder on Trump, but it's just going to come off as manufactured.
perfectchaos007
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Fallon the type of dude who would do a remote segment with Trump at "The Wall" groundbreaking and laugh with him while he helps lay the bricks.
On site jokes:
Fallon: So what's the world record height for a Mexican pole vaulter?
Trump: I'm not sure, why?
Fallon: We need to make the wall at least that high
Trump: And then make it 10 feet higher
Fallon: HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA
On site jokes:
Fallon: So what's the world record height for a Mexican pole vaulter?
Trump: I'm not sure, why?
Fallon: We need to make the wall at least that high
Trump: And then make it 10 feet higher
Fallon: HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA
Not sure why people blame this shift on his 90s shtick etc. He was winning the ratings battle with that all along.
What's changed is an asshole is President and people want to see the asshole torn apart and Fallon has not been doing that. Meanwhile Colbert is a well established personality in the Political Mockery arena. Its an area Fallon honestly cannot compete
What's changed is an asshole is President and people want to see the asshole torn apart and Fallon has not been doing that. Meanwhile Colbert is a well established personality in the Political Mockery arena. Its an area Fallon honestly cannot compete
Right? It's not in his character. And it would likely turn off his audience who don't want to hear that shit.
Should just be happy with what he has, can't always be #1. Or whatever it was.
It's too big to ignore though, and if that's the penalty, thats the penalty.
I'm sure there's a new bathroom towel opening happening somewhere he can mainline to offset this for his earnings at least.
Good for Colbert, I'll always be a fan of the guy.
Now withers get rid of the celeb interviews, or choose better guests, because those have mostly been rough after the Colbert Report.
Yeah, Conan is an expert at integrating these topics into his act without it becoming overbearing.
Now withers get rid of the celeb interviews, or choose better guests, because those have mostly been rough after the Colbert Report.
Yeah, Conan is an expert at integrating these topics into his act without it becoming overbearing.
Ah I see, I missed that damn, ok.
Let the Fallon shit continue. My bad guys I didn't know lol.
He really has. My dad is pissed that Colbert is doing so well now. He was emailing CBS weekly to say how he was disgusted with the content of the programming and how crude it was.
For political commentary on network TV, it's really hard to beat Colbert in general and Meyers' "Closer Look".
Puck Beaverton
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I'm sure it pays well. Less work too.
IggyChooChoo
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Conan's political stuff was always pretty cartoonish -- the Smigel clutch cargo gag on Bill Clinton was very much from the Dana Carvey school of political impressions. Now that we have a president who is a cartoon, reality has more or less caught up to Conan. I really like his Obama/Trump phone call bits. His show in Mexico was a nice rejoinder to Trumpish nativism as well.
Never understood why a show appealing to people staying up past 11:30 would ever feel the need to be "safe".
Puck Beaverton
Banned
would be the first funny thing he did
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
But who will produce those super real "HAHAHA I ATE MY KIDS LUNCH HOHO" videos now?
Edit: Wait, that's the other guy right?
Edit: Wait, that's the other guy right?
Also, the top comment from Reddit is this absolutely golden clip of Jimmy getting put in his place by the Stranger Things kids:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pTdpUv-ao8M
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pTdpUv-ao8M
ThatStupidLion
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how does colbert and fallon rank overall with kimmel, conan, and corden (for fun)?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yeah, that's Kimmel.
Carpe Libertatem
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There is huge market for that right now. That's what tons of people want, just as they did during Bush's presidency.
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