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Sou Da

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People want to see a cool super hero movie. F4 - when it becomes a super hero movie (emphasis on that) - it is awful. The final act (the only act where they become heroes, or at least come together) is worse than act I can remember in these movies. Green Latern had cool action scenes. This does not. Does it build up to anything? No. I understand why people will hate this movie and I get why some here are panicking at these highlighted points.

But...

The irony is that F4 succeeds in areas that comic book fans generally don't pay as greater focus on compared to e.g. costume choice and action scenes. 2/3rds of this movie isn't even about superheroes and thus the positives of that element are buried or ignored in anticipation of something else.

I enjoyed it because I have found films that emphasise action over everything else to become tiring and dull after a while. So personally, F4 filled a gap for me. It made me sympathise and understand the characters. It made the romantic undertones (thank god there wasn't a forced love interest that ended in an awkward kiss) believable and interesting. In fact, even in these reviews, the first half of the film generally gets positive remarks.

It's just a shame that the positives (something that Marvel films desperately need IMO) are ignored and dismissed.

Comic book movies should not just be about people punched through walls and an exact replica of costumes. They should first and foremost be films with good writing and character development. F4 is not great at it, but it does it well, or at least better than others have.

The image of Doom going around these threads perfectly encapsulates the attitude surrounding this film. Shit sticks on the wall because people want to believe it to be that bad. Lets be honest, minds were made up long before this released. It has had nothing but negative buzz. And yet I came away from it writing all this about a franchise I couldn't give a shit about.

But the interpersonal relationships in the movie are shit, the characters have no dimension and they don't actually make any choices based off y'know their character.

Everything that isn't an action scene in this film was early 2000s tier typical melodrama, I don't see where you're coming from at all.
 

Dominator

Member
People want to see a cool super hero movie. F4 - when it becomes a super hero movie (emphasis on that) - it is awful. The final act (the only act where they become heroes, or at least come together) is worse than act I can remember in these movies. Green Latern had cool action scenes. This does not. Does it build up to anything? No. I understand why people will hate this movie and I get why some here are panicking at these highlighted points.

But...

The irony is that F4 succeeds in areas that comic book fans generally don't pay as greater focus on compared to e.g. costume choice and action scenes. 2/3rds of this movie isn't even about superheroes and thus the positives of that element are buried or ignored in anticipation of something else.

I enjoyed it because I have found films that emphasise action over everything else to become tiring and dull after a while. So personally, F4 filled a gap for me. It made me sympathise and understand the characters. It made the romantic undertones (thank god there wasn't a forced love interest that ended in an awkward kiss) believable and interesting. In fact, even in these reviews, the first half of the film generally gets positive remarks.

It's just a shame that the positives (something that Marvel films desperately need IMO) are ignored and dismissed.

Comic book movies should not just be about people punched through walls and an exact replica of costumes. They should first and foremost be films with good writing and character development. F4 is not great at it, but it does it well, or at least better than others have.

The image of Doom going around these threads perfectly encapsulates the attitude surrounding this film. Shit sticks on the wall because people want to believe it to be that bad. Lets be honest, minds were made up long before this released. It has had nothing but negative buzz. And yet I came away from it writing all this about a franchise I couldn't give a shit about.
I'm sorry but even if you thought the movie had those qualities, the writing was really bad and about 90% of the actors involved looked like they couldn't give less of a shit. That stuff is quite apparent. It has nothing to do with them not being faithful to the costumes or not having a lot of action. In fact, it would be very refreshing to see a superhero movie that actually had talent who cared about it in that way.

This just doesn't cut it.
 
I have now seen it 3 times (I'm a sucker for punishment and its free), and a few more things thats jumped out.

- there is little to no chemistry between any of the characters. Like, Ben and Reed somehow become best mates because of a science experiment? Sue and Johnny are supposed to be close but estranged but they have one or two scenes together.
- Miles Teller is one bad actor. Its comical almost.
- His power looks weird, and not in a good way. Bad effects.
- We see Doom has a bit of a problem with the government, and it somehow turns into destroying the earth?
- Theres like one 'action' scene in the whole movie at its so bad and so short.
- it somehow manages to be be too long and yet too short at the same time.
- its been over-edited to the point of incoherence, reminds me of taken 3 in that respect.
- Dr Doom line? Its clobbering time? Are you fucking kidding me?
- it feels like theres a huge chunk of the thing missing.

Theres probably more I can think of later.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
I have now seen it 3 times (I'm a sucker for punishment and its free), and a few more things thats jumped out.

- there is little to no chemistry between any of the characters. Like, Ben and Reed somehow become best mates because of a science experiment? Sue and Johnny are supposed to be close but estranged but they have one or two scenes together.
- Miles Teller is one bad actor. Its comical almost.
- His power looks weird, and not in a good way. Bad effects.
- We see Doom has a bit of a problem with the government, and it somehow turns into destroying the earth?
- Theres like one 'action' scene in the whole movie at its so bad and so short.
- it somehow manages to be be too long and yet too short at the same time.
- its been over-edited to the point of incoherence, reminds me of taken 3 in that respect.
- Dr Doom line? Its clobbering time? Are you fucking kidding me?
- it feels like theres a huge chunk of the thing missing.

Theres probably more I can think of later.
I feel that that's another point in the film that should've been expanded upon. It's set up but has no real pay-off in regards to Doom and the government.

Then the reason he wants to save his world is set-up in ONE line, and then when he shows up again the movie just goes off that extremely narrow motivation.
 

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I have now seen it 3 times (I'm a sucker for punishment and its free), and a few more things thats jumped out.

- there is little to no chemistry between any of the characters. Like, Ben and Reed somehow become best mates because of a science experiment? Sue and Johnny are supposed to be close but estranged but they have one or two scenes together.
- Miles Teller is one bad actor. Its comical almost.
- His power looks weird, and not in a good way. Bad effects.
- We see Doom has a bit of a problem with the government, and it somehow turns into destroying the earth?
- Theres like one 'action' scene in the whole movie at its so bad and so short.
- it somehow manages to be be too long and yet too short at the same time.
- its been over-edited to the point of incoherence, reminds me of taken 3 in that respect.
- Dr Doom line? Its clobbering time? Are you fucking kidding me?
- it feels like theres a huge chunk of the thing missing.

Theres probably more I can think of later.

Sounds really bad. I just don't understand it. Half a dozen fans stuck in a room with a chalkboard would come up with something better. I just don't understand how shite movies come into being these days.
 
It sounds like they bit off more than they could chew with the character relationships. There are decent foundations there for why these people might have some tension with each other and then come together as a strong unit, but from what I'm reading it basically just happens because of reasons and an angry spiteful Doom.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
It sounds like they bit off more than they could chew with the character relationships. There are decent foundations there for why these people might have some tension with each other and then come together as a strong unit, but from what I'm reading it basically just happens because of reasons and an angry spiteful Doom.

It plays exactly like that.
 

Sanjuro

Member
Sounds really bad. I just don't understand it. Half a dozen fans stuck in a room with a chalkboard would come up with something better. I just don't understand how shite movies come into being these days.

The notion that Miles Teller is a bad actor is absurd. His chops had little to do with the failings of this film.

His arc (if you can call it that) is largely wasted however.
 

Alienous

Member
I have now seen it 3 times (I'm a sucker for punishment and its free), and a few more things thats jumped out.

- there is little to no chemistry between any of the characters. Like, Ben and Reed somehow become best mates because of a science experiment? Sue and Johnny are supposed to be close but estranged but they have one or two scenes together.
- Miles Teller is one bad actor. Its comical almost.
- His power looks weird, and not in a good way. Bad effects.
- We see Doom has a bit of a problem with the government, and it somehow turns into destroying the earth?
- Theres like one 'action' scene in the whole movie at its so bad and so short.
- it somehow manages to be be too long and yet too short at the same time.
- its been over-edited to the point of incoherence, reminds me of taken 3 in that respect.
- Dr Doom line? Its clobbering time? Are you fucking kidding me?
- it feels like theres a huge chunk of the thing missing.

Theres probably more I can think of later.

Yeah, his dick.
 
Sure you don't see all the team in the same place at the same time interacting with each other till the end of the film. Otherwise its just weird short interactions that do nothing for making us think these guys are friends or romantic overtones or what.

edit - it tries to be gritty and dark, and it feels bad. More TDKR than TDK.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Sounds really bad. I just don't understand it. Half a dozen fans stuck in a room with a chalkboard would come up with something better. I just don't understand how shite movies come into being these days.
Because either Fox doesn't understand what makes the Fantastic Four a great comic or they're too ashamed of the source material to actually do the franchise justice.
 
Why does it seem like every time a terrible movie gets released 2-3 people come out of no where to just contradict everyone for no good reason.

Movies are subjective and I'd never tell anyone to not enjoy something. But its a bad movie, badly made, bad production and making, the cast is at the very least under utilised/
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
People want to see a cool super hero movie. F4 - when it becomes a super hero movie (emphasis on that) - it is awful. The final act (the only act where they become heroes, or at least come together) is worse than act I can remember in these movies. Green Latern had cool action scenes. This does not. Does it build up to anything? No. I understand why people will hate this movie and I get why some here are panicking at these highlighted points.

But...

The irony is that F4 succeeds in areas that comic book fans generally don't pay as greater focus on compared to e.g. costume choice and action scenes. 2/3rds of this movie isn't even about superheroes and thus the positives of that element are buried or ignored in anticipation of something else.

I enjoyed it because I have found films that emphasise action over everything else to become tiring and dull after a while. So personally, F4 filled a gap for me. It made me sympathise and understand the characters. It made the romantic undertones (thank god there wasn't a forced love interest that ended in an awkward kiss) believable and interesting. In fact, even in these reviews, the first half of the film generally gets positive remarks.

It's just a shame that the positives (something that Marvel films desperately need IMO) are ignored and dismissed.

Comic book movies should not just be about people punched through walls and an exact replica of costumes. They should first and foremost be films with good writing and character development. F4 is not great at it, but it does it well, or at least better than others have.

The image of Doom going around these threads perfectly encapsulates the attitude surrounding this film. Shit sticks on the wall because people want to believe it to be that bad. Lets be honest, minds were made up long before this released. It has had nothing but negative buzz. And yet I came away from it writing all this about a franchise I couldn't give a shit about.

If you havnt seen it already, watch Unbreakable. I think you'll appreciate it.
 

Aurongel

Member
Why does it seem like every time a terrible movie gets released 2-3 people come out of no where to just contradict everyone for no good reason.
Because people like you will notice them. The Internet is rife with people eager for their 15 minutes.
 
Why does it seem like every time a terrible movie gets released 2-3 people come out of no where to just contradict everyone for no good reason.

I won't take people to task for liking this movie. I'm sure there's something there for someone to enjoy and I'll eventually check it out when I don't have to give Fox my money for it. But the consensus seems to be that it's nothing special.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
Movies are subjective and I'd never tell anyone to not enjoy something. But its a bad movie, badly made, bad production and making, the cast is at the very least under utilised/
Yeah, it's just this.

Even terrible movies has its fans who genuinely like it, and there was probably something in some way that spoke to them or just held them while watching it. I don't blame them, I like plenty of terrible movies myself.
resident evil 6 had a defense force

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E the Shaggy

Junior Member
I didn't realize that Fox was currently in negotiations with Marvel for the TV rights to X-Men. Maybe they'll use Fantastic Four, and all the characters therein, as the bargaining chip?
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
I didn't realize that Fox was currently in negotiations with Marvel for the TV rights to X-Men. Maybe they'll use Fantastic Four, and all the characters therein, as the bargaining chip?
That's what we've been speculating. Marvel's likely waiting for the opening weekend numbers to be released for Fant4stic to use that as leverage to get the Fantastic Four characters back.
 

E the Shaggy

Junior Member
That's what we've been speculating. Marvel's likely waiting for the opening weekend numbers to be released for Fant4stic to use that as leverage to get the Fantastic Four characters back.

Pretty much a win win for both Marvel and Fox. It's not like Marvel were ever going to do anything with the TV rights to promote the X-films and Fox will probably want to jettison anything Fantastic Four related following the disaster.

Since all the space shit wasn't used in the recent bomb, Galactus and Silver Surfer can be used down the line. That's some sweet action!
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Pretty much a win win for both Marvel and Fox. It's not like Marvel were ever going to do anything with the TV rights to promote the X-films and Fox will probably want to jettison anything Fantastic Four related following the disaster.

Since all the space shit wasn't used in the recent bomb, Galactus and Silver Surfer can be used down the line. That's some sweet action!
Exactly. And maybe by 2020, we can have a proper Fantastic Four movie in the MCU to headline Phase 4.
 
Not seen the film yet (watching next week) but if Fox made movies based on silver surfer and Galactus and neblver bother to do a film again with the Fantastic Four could they lose the FF rights?

If not they should get good people on Silver Surfer and later tie that into Xmen v Galactus or something.
 
Not seen the film yet (watching next week) but if Fox made movies based on silver surfer and Galactus and neblver bother to do a film again with the Fantastic Four could they lose the FF rights?

I read from somewhere that they need to do something with the IP within every 7 years or they lose it. So we're probably getting next hot garbage F4 movie in 2022.
 

Garlador

Member
I honestly think them helping out in Avengers like the Hulk is the best way to go.

Imagine it... Doctor Banner, Tony Stark, and Reed Richards, all in a science room together working on a problem. "There's something we're not seeing." "Why can't we figure this out?" "... I know someone who might be able to help us." "No, not him!" "Call Victor. We need the help."
 

Reuenthal

Banned
I wanted to see it today but I guess since it appears to be a shit film I will see the Terminator film instead since a friend liked it and for what its worth it has a decent imdb score. So it has something going for it.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
I wanted to see it today but I guess since it appears to be a shit film I will see the Terminator film instead since a friend liked it and for what its worth it has a decent imdb score. So it has something going for it.

Terminatyr was a better film, too.

Also, that scene in the first trailer where Sue is cradling Johnny while looking super sad isn't in the movie, either.
 

Sanjuro

Member
I wanted to see it today but I guess since it appears to be a shit film I will see the Terminator film instead since a friend liked it and for what its worth it has a decent imdb score. So it has something going for it.

The new Terminator is the better film and arguably the third best entry in its respective series. The amount of fanfic that spews from that film gets absurd to the point where it because hilariously entertaining.

FF would have been leagues better if at least the dialog (or anything) went batshit.
 

Ahasverus

Member
What exactly does The Dark Knight do in terms of character writing thats so special?.
Yup I am convinced you have no clue what you are talking about or really just haven't seen them especially when you use Dark Knight as the example of character development.
Harvey Dent.

I don't know why writing an interesting movie with human characters seems so hard when you have so much great material to take from.
 
Imagine it... Doctor Banner, Tony Stark, and Reed Richards, all in a science room together working on a problem. "There's something we're not seeing." "Why can't we figure this out?" "... I know someone who might be able to help us." "No, not him!" "Call Victor. We need the help."

"Doom helps no man."
 

Nokterian

Member
I have now seen it 3 times (I'm a sucker for punishment and its free), and a few more things thats jumped out.

- there is little to no chemistry between any of the characters. Like, Ben and Reed somehow become best mates because of a science experiment? Sue and Johnny are supposed to be close but estranged but they have one or two scenes together.
- Miles Teller is one bad actor. Its comical almost.
- His power looks weird, and not in a good way. Bad effects.
- We see Doom has a bit of a problem with the government, and it somehow turns into destroying the earth?
- Theres like one 'action' scene in the whole movie at its so bad and so short.
- it somehow manages to be be too long and yet too short at the same time.
- its been over-edited to the point of incoherence, reminds me of taken 3 in that respect.
- Dr Doom line? Its clobbering time? Are you fucking kidding me?
- it feels like theres a huge chunk of the thing missing.

Theres probably more I can think of later.

Holy fuck..

Well time to start these up again i have them on blu ray at least. Got them for free a long time ago when i bought my first blu ray player.

I have other package couldn't find the one but says enough really on how bad that one is.

 

LeonSPBR

Member
Goddamn just watched the Midnight's Edge video about the controversies on this movie and I can see why this movie sucks.
 

G-Fex

Member
oh man sure do hope the rights go to the marvel so they can have it !
/sarcasm

I don't even like Doom as a villain, sorry Slayven but Doom sucks.

The only good thing with the Doom name to it is the video game.
 

E the Shaggy

Junior Member
For those who have seen the movie, is this for real??:

The teacher character is dumb. I'm not saying '80's movie dumb' because this movie tries to be a little bit realistic, which makes this guy full on idiotic. Here's kid Reed, probably around ten years old, talking about supercomputers and things that are real in 2007- not 1988, this is 2007, right before the iPhone- and the guy tells him "you were supposed to make a presentation about a real job from the real world". Okay, guy is forgiven, he's just dumb. But nope. Cut to seven years later, teenager Reed LITERALLY INVENTS TELEPORTATION and the guy says, no joke, no paraphrasing, this is an actual line spoken by a character, "this is a science fair, I'm not seeing any science here, this is magic".
 
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