Makes Green Lantern look like what? Are you buying this?
Please see the film at some point (whether this week or in a few years) and you know these reviews are going into hyperbole territory to score traffic.
I have never disagreed with opinions about a movie to this extent. The movie isn't even that good, but to portray it this way? I went in there waiting to be bemused by the shitstorm. There was no shitstorm. There was no cringe, or train-wreck.
Please see the film at some point (whether this week or in a few years) and you know these reviews are going into hyperbole territory to score traffic.
I have never disagreed with opinions about a movie to this extent. The movie isn't even that good, but to portray it this way? I went in there waiting to be bemused by the shitstorm. There was no shitstorm. There was no cringe, or train-wreck.
Because there have been other recent films with similar criticisms, some more glaring than anything in F4, and yet have not been labelled in a similar way. So either the criticism is bullshit, or the labelling is. This isn't me rejecting those that disagree with me; we all have differing opinions. But the impression I am getting from these reviews portraying this as worse than Catwoman, Green Lantern, Jonah Hex is pathetic. Most of you haven't even fucking seen the film and are willing to take any and every negative to the nth degree.
We might as well say this film gives out STI's at this point.
Because there have been other recent films with similar criticisms, some more glaring than anything in F4, and yet have not been labelled in a similar way. So either the criticism is bullshit, or the labelling is. This isn't me rejecting those that disagree with me; we all have differing opinions. But the impression I am getting from these reviews portraying this as worse than Catwoman, Green Lantern, Jonah Hex is pathetic. Most of you haven't even fucking seen the film and are willing to take any and every negative to the nth degree.
We might as well say this film gives out STI's at this point.
First of all lets clam down.
Secondly, how are not rejecting their opinions that this is worse than something like Green Lantern? Everything I have heard/readed makes it sound like the dullest movie ever. If that's true then I have a hard time not believing it's worst than catwomen. Because Catwoman is shit but it's fun/enjoyable to make fun of its shitty parts where FF sounds like a chore to get through.
The worst thing a movie can do is be boring.
Because there have been other recent films with similar criticisms, some more glaring than anything in F4, and yet have not been labelled in a similar way. So either the criticism is bullshit, or the labelling is. This isn't me rejecting those that disagree with me; we all have differing opinions. But the impression I am getting from these reviews portraying this as worse than Catwoman, Green Lantern, Jonah Hex is pathetic. Most of you haven't even fucking seen the film and are willing to take any and every negative to the nth degree.
We might as well say this film gives out STI's at this point.
Please see the film at some point (whether this week or in a few years) and you know these reviews are going into hyperbole territory to score traffic.
All of them? I mean, every single review? Sure, there are a few outlets that would do that, and no doubt have, particularly some of the grating YouTube personalities. But fourty six of them all doing that? I think at some point you're going to have to make peace with the fact you're in the minority on this one. And it's not getting poor reviews because of some imagined agenda. It's just a poor film.
But seriously, some of the quips? I can see where he's coming from. But it getting negative reviews nearly across the board? I doubt that's an "agenda" like he's thinking.
All of them? I mean, every single review? Sure, there are a few outlets that would do that, and no doubt have, particularly some of the grating YouTube personalities. But fourty six of them all doing that? I think at some point you're going to have to make peace with the fact you're in the minority on this one. And it's not getting poor reviews because of some imagined agenda. It's just a poor film.
youtube reviewers are trash tbh. plus they seem to exclusively only watch blockbusters.
but yeah normally a divisive or 'misunderstood' movie with a mostly negative consensus (blackhat, lone ranger etc.) still gets a few positive reviews that detail it's strengths over it's failings and how it will cater to some audience out there.
this movie though. just getting shitted on by everybody. so while i do respect meus' opinion i'm also pretty skeptical of it. (though i might check it out on tv in a few months to see what's up at least)
like even matt zoller seitz, who had great things to say about lone ranger, gave this movie 1.5 stars and the most positive thing he could say about it is that it's two decent movies melded together into a giant mess.
this definitely seems like a classic case of a studio hackjob (not that the original idea would likely be so much better though, but it probably would have been alright)
I saw it last night... I didn't hate the first hour, if I'm being honest. I thought the acting was bad all the way through, but I was kind of interested in it. Then it just got fucking awful and it retroactively made me feel like the beginning was worse.
Curious to see what Tranks vision was if FOX really stepped in, but I really don't care anymore lol
If Fox want to salvage this, they need to release a director's cut version on bluray/dvd, just make peace that this movie is losing money and go forward with the sequel.
People want to see a cool super hero movie. F4 - when it becomes a super hero movie (emphasis on that) - it is awful. The final act (the only act where they become heroes, or at least come together) is worse than act I can remember in these movies. Green Latern had cool action scenes. This does not. Does it build up to anything? No. I understand why people will hate this movie and I get why some here are panicking at these highlighted points.
But...
The irony is that F4 succeeds in areas that comic book fans generally don't pay as greater focus on compared to e.g. costume choice and action scenes. 2/3rds of this movie isn't even about superheroes and thus the positives of that element are buried or ignored in anticipation of something else.
I enjoyed it because I have found films that emphasise action over everything else to become tiring and dull after a while. So personally, F4 filled a gap for me. It made me sympathise and understand the characters. It made the romantic undertones (thank god there wasn't a forced love interest that ended in an awkward kiss) believable and interesting. In fact, even in these reviews, the first half of the film generally gets positive remarks.
It's just a shame that the positives (something that Marvel films desperately need IMO) are ignored and dismissed.
Comic book movies should not just be about people punched through walls and an exact replica of costumes. They should first and foremost be films with good writing and character development. F4 is not great at it, but it does it well, or at least better than others have.
The image of Doom going around these threads perfectly encapsulates the attitude surrounding this film. Shit sticks on the wall because people want to believe it to be that bad. Lets be honest, minds were made up long before this released. It has had nothing but negative buzz. And yet I came away from it writing all this about a franchise I couldn't give a shit about.
Hulk (03) was good at all of that. Likely a lot better than this. We'll see if a few years from now it will get a revisit and appreciation from some critics but judging by how shit it's sounding after like the first 20 minutes I doubt it.
People want to see a cool super hero movie. F4 - when it becomes a super hero movie (emphasis on that) - it is awful. The final act (the only act where they become heroes, or at least come together) is worse than act I can remember in these movies. Green Latern had cool action scenes. This does not. Does it build up to anything? No. I understand why people will hate this movie and I get why some here are panicking at these highlighted points.
But...
The irony is that F4 succeeds in areas that comic book fans generally don't pay as greater focus on compared to e.g. costume choice and action scenes. 2/3rds of this movie isn't even about superheroes and thus the positives of that element are buried or ignored in anticipation of something else.
I enjoyed it because I have found films that emphasise action over everything else to become tiring and dull after a while. So personally, F4 filled a gap for me. It made me sympathise and understand the characters. It made the romantic undertones (thank god there wasn't a forced love interest that ended in an awkward kiss) believable and interesting. In fact, even in these reviews, the first half of the film generally gets positive remarks.
It's just a shame that the positives (something that Marvel films desperately need IMO) are ignored and dismissed.
Comic book movies should not just be about people punched through walls and an exact replica of costumes. They should first and foremost be films with good writing and character development. F4 is not great at it, but it does it well, or at least better than others have.
Sounds like Tranks original cut would have been more your cup of tea, before Fox decided to reshoot nearly the entire thing. I doubt we'll ever see that original version, but who knows. The original version of Rob Zombie's Halloween leaked, and that was a far better film than the one we got in theaters after the reshoots made it a more straight forward remake.
Again I'm getting fairly tired of the Internet coronating movies and video games as bombs before they even see them. The mindless dog piling on Terminator Genisys began with the stupid way they spelled the title, and then snowballed into people acting like the film is Revenge of the Fallen tier. It's a perfectly fine action movie with the right amount of nostalgia to elevate it a solid B rating. There's literally no difference between it and Jurassic World except for box office receipts.
People want to see a cool super hero movie. F4 - when it becomes a super hero movie (emphasis on that) - it is awful. The final act (the only act where they become heroes, or at least come together) is worse than act I can remember in these movies. Green Latern had cool action scenes. This does not. Does it build up to anything? No. I understand why people will hate this movie and I get why some here are panicking at these highlighted points.
But...
The irony is that F4 succeeds in areas that comic book fans generally don't pay as greater focus on compared to e.g. costume choice and action scenes. 2/3rds of this movie isn't even about superheroes and thus the positives of that element are buried or ignored in anticipation of something else.
I enjoyed it because I have found films that emphasise action over everything else to become tiring and dull after a while. So personally, F4 filled a gap for me. It made me sympathise and understand the characters. It made the romantic undertones (thank god there wasn't a forced love interest that ended in an awkward kiss) believable and interesting. In fact, even in these reviews, the first half of the film generally gets positive remarks.
It's just a shame that the positives (something that Marvel films desperately need IMO) are ignored and dismissed.
Comic book movies should not just be about people punched through walls and an exact replica of costumes. They should first and foremost be films with good writing and character development. F4 is not great at it, but it does it well, or at least better than others have.
The image of Doom going around these threads perfectly encapsulates the attitude surrounding this film. Shit sticks on the wall because people want to believe it to be that bad. Lets be honest, minds were made up long before this released. It has had nothing but negative buzz. And yet I came away from it writing all this about a franchise I couldn't give a shit about.
Or maybe...just maybe....it's shit because of terrible writing, lousy directing, and a cast that couldn't muster enough effort to give a shit and not "they tried to make it into a superhero movie".
Again I'm getting fairly tired of the Internet coronating movies and video games as bombs before they even see them. The mindless dog piling on Terminator Genisys began with the stupid way they spelled the title, and then snowballed into people acting like the film is Revenge of the Fallen tier. It's a perfectly fine action movie with the right amount of nostalgia to elevate it a solid B rating. There's literally no difference between it and Jurassic World except for box office receipts.
The thing is, if you want to make a movie that isn't about superheroes until the last twenty minutes, why bother making it about superheroes at all?
From what it sounds like this movie should have just been Chronicle: Scientist Edition and Trank should have been able to make something free of the influence of the IP they forced themselves to use just so they could retain rights.
People want to see a cool super hero movie. F4 - when it becomes a super hero movie (emphasis on that) - it is awful. The final act (the only act where they become heroes, or at least come together) is worse than act I can remember in these movies. Green Latern had cool action scenes. This does not. Does it build up to anything? No. I understand why people will hate this movie and I get why some here are panicking at these highlighted points.
But...
The irony is that F4 succeeds in areas that comic book fans generally don't pay as greater focus on compared to e.g. costume choice and action scenes. 2/3rds of this movie isn't even about superheroes and thus the positives of that element are buried or ignored in anticipation of something else.
I enjoyed it because I have found films that emphasise action over everything else to become tiring and dull after a while. So personally, F4 filled a gap for me. It made me sympathise and understand the characters. It made the romantic undertones (thank god there wasn't a forced love interest that ended in an awkward kiss) believable and interesting. In fact, even in these reviews, the first half of the film generally gets positive remarks.
It's just a shame that the positives (something that Marvel films desperately need IMO) are ignored and dismissed.
Comic book movies should not just be about people punched through walls and an exact replica of costumes. They should first and foremost be films with good writing and character development. F4 is not great at it, but it does it well, or at least better than others have.
The image of Doom going around these threads perfectly encapsulates the attitude surrounding this film. Shit sticks on the wall because people want to believe it to be that bad. Lets be honest, minds were made up long before this released. It has had nothing but negative buzz. And yet I came away from it writing all this about a franchise I couldn't give a shit about.
The Fantastic Four is Marvel's first family of superheroes, and that's what still makes them stand out: They're a FAMILY. Not buddies. Not just good friends. Not teammates. FAMILY.
And The Incredibles NAILED that.
In the comics, Sue isn't just the token love interest; she's a leader, she's a wife, she's a sister, she's a mother. She saves the world, and then she changes diapers. She goes to space, and then goes to a parent-teacher conference. She fights mole people, then plans her brother's birthday party.
The same goes for the rest of them. Johnny, Reed, Sue, and Ben aren't just acquaintances or teammates; they care more deeply about each other than almost any other team ever created.
You wouldn't know that watching this newest film, though.
And the less said about how shallow and inert Doctor Doom became, the better.
People want to see a cool super hero movie. F4 - when it becomes a super hero movie (emphasis on that) - it is awful. The final act (the only act where they become heroes, or at least come together) is worse than act I can remember in these movies. Green Latern had cool action scenes. This does not. Does it build up to anything? No. I understand why people will hate this movie and I get why some here are panicking at these highlighted points.
But...
The irony is that F4 succeeds in areas that comic book fans generally don't pay as greater focus on compared to e.g. costume choice and action scenes. 2/3rds of this movie isn't even about superheroes and thus the positives of that element are buried or ignored in anticipation of something else.
I enjoyed it because I have found films that emphasise action over everything else to become tiring and dull after a while. So personally, F4 filled a gap for me. It made me sympathise and understand the characters. It made the romantic undertones (thank god there wasn't a forced love interest that ended in an awkward kiss) believable and interesting. In fact, even in these reviews, the first half of the film generally gets positive remarks.
It's just a shame that the positives (something that Marvel films desperately need IMO) are ignored and dismissed.
Comic book movies should not just be about people punched through walls and an exact replica of costumes. They should first and foremost be films with good writing and character development. F4 is not great at it, but it does it well, or at least better than others have.
The image of Doom going around these threads perfectly encapsulates the attitude surrounding this film. Shit sticks on the wall because people want to believe it to be that bad. Lets be honest, minds were made up long before this released. It has had nothing but negative buzz. And yet I came away from it writing all this about a franchise I couldn't give a shit about.
I love it that people always say this about comic book fans that we need to just except whatever version of a comic book character a movie studio craps out. I've never seen anyone say we should just except a bad version of a novels main character or a video game character done poorly on the big screen it's only comic books cause on a general biases no one has any idea what that character is like in the comics at all. This is so very true for Doom it hurts to see people say this time and time again that we need to just except what Fox is calling Doom this time around cause some random people think it actually looks cool. But maybe, just maybe some of us that actually grew up and know the character what to see him given just on the screen. Not once have they made even given a step towards what Doom is like in the comics. And it's apparently our problem for not simply excepting this fact and running along with hobo Doom here. Yeah I don't think I'm going to do that to be 100% honest. I want to see the true Doom on screen one day not crap that a studio thinks I will like, I want something I KNOW I will like.
And to be perfectly honest yes my mind was made up about this movie before I say it mainly because of how they messed up doom again for a 3rd time but that's because I want to see a movie about the fantastic four. Not whatever this team is that Fox and Josh Trank thanks I'll like. And next time you tell people to except a "reimagining" of possibly the most iconic super hero team when we haven't even gotten a proper film of them done right yet. Maybe think what it will be like if they took something you love, "reimagined" it and someone told you they liked it better for what it is.
The thing is, if you want to make a movie that isn't about superheroes until the last twenty minutes, why bother making it about superheroes at all?
From what it sounds like this movie should have just been Chronicle: Scientist Edition and Trank should have been able to make something free of the influence of the IP they forced themselves to use just so they could retain rights.
Because current hero movies give us zero character introspective. You know why I attack the mcu so.much? Because the real characters, in the comics, are SO much better, more interesting, with such great stories that makes me frustrated how Feige turns them into live action cartoons. A good CBM focused on the characters, not cgi action, would be a godsend, because those characters exist already and deserve being treated with the same respect the comics have done for decades. Trank's FF first half is ALL about the characters before their "super heroization" and so he delivers a humanizing vision in a world with so many interchabgeable predictable vapid plots filled with vapid characters.
Because current hero movies give us zero character introspective. You know why I attack the mcu so.much? Because the real characters, in the comics, are SO much better, more interesting, with such great stories that makes me frustrated how Feige turns them into live action cartoons. A good CBM focused on the characters, not cgi action, would be a godsend, because those characters exist already and deserve being treated with the same respect the comics have done for decades. Trank's FF first half is ALL about the characters before their "super heroization" and so he delivers a humanizing vision in a world with so many interchabgeable predictable vapid plots filled with vapid characters.
Because current hero movies give us zero character introspective. You know why I attack the mcu so.much? Because the real characters, in the comics, are SO much better, more interesting, with such great stories that makes me frustrated how Feige turns them into live action cartoons. A good CBM focused on the characters, not cgi action, would be a godsend, because those characters exist already and deserve being treated with the same respect the comics have done for decades. Trank's FF first half is ALL about the characters before their "super heroization" and so he delivers a humanizing vision in a world with so many interchabgeable predictable vapid plots filled with vapid characters.
Because current hero movies give us zero character introspective. You know why I attack the mcu so.much? Because the real characters, in the comics, are SO much better, more interesting, with such great stories that makes me frustrated how Feige turns them into live action cartoons. A good CBM focused on the characters, not cgi action, would be a godsend, because those characters exist already and deserve being treated with the same respect the comics have done for decades. Trank's FF first half is ALL about the characters before their "super heroization" and so he delivers a humanizing vision in a world with so many interchabgeable predictable vapid plots filled with vapid characters.
Yeah, I can agree with this. The first half of the movie was probably the best part for me to just see these characters act like people. Even if it was mostly exposition and little actual development or to set up any kind of arc, it was pretty interesting nonetheless.
People are gonna bring up AoU, but it's been said that Joss had to fight for the barn scene especially, which laid out so many character moments. If they wanted to cut that from him they weren't really interested in that to begin with (also because it stalls the movie a bit, but whatever).
Sounds like some selective-ass viewing. Yeah the movies will never touch the comics in terms of character writing and development because that's the nature of film. But to say there is absolutely zero character work in MCU or other superhero films is flat out wrong.
We should always expect more from the writers with these films but there needs to be a balance between character work and action.
A sappy monologue does not count as character intropsective. If anything Ultron ereased every character development in that was barely going on in the MCU resetting everything to the A1 status quo and making Iron Man the most moronic "hero" in recent action films. Also, hi Devin Faraci
And that's the point, they are 2 hour blockbusters. You are never going to get the type of character development you would get in a 13 hour TV series.
Sorry but I'm willing to believe Trank was an incompetent dick from the rumors about the making of this movie. Dude can't handle large budget movies and it shows.
Nothing in this movie worked. No chemistry between Reed, Johnny, Sue, and Ben. Ben and Reed are suppose to be "best friends" but you don't feel it. It's just "Ben and I are best friends" and your suppose to except it cuz he helped build Reed's teleporter. Ben barely talks throughout the movie so from the beginning to the end you know very little about him. Johnny and Sue don't act like a brother and sister in this movie. There always estranged towards one another. If it was because Sue was adopted they could have talked about that but she mentions it to Reed once and it's dropped, I kept forgetting she was adopted. Johnny is a dumbass hotshot that has daddy issues for no reason other than "fuck you dad! you won't let me act like a dumbass!" He's completely absent when he gets his powers. They just show him doing field test for 2 minutes and that's it he's not shown until the final battle. The movie is so focused on the Government and Reed that everyone else might as well had been a side character. This movie has like 4 locations they are in: Laboratory, Military Base, random forest, and the 4th Dimension. That's it. They made Victor Von Doom into the most cringe worthy environmentalist anarchist nerdy fuckboy villain.
His introduction is him playing AC: Unity at his computer desk while looking all emo with his poorly shaven face.
His evil plan is so weak and stupid and his transformation looks so bad. The CG effects look terrible especially on Reed. This movie makes every attempt to not show you Reed stretching cuz it's so bad looking and blurry when he does it. There's no action scene until the last 10 minutes where they
introduce Doom, Doom tells them he's gonna kill everyone cuz he hates humanity and shit, the F4 stop him, the end.
All in about 10 minutes. The movie started off interesting. It's not perfect how they introduce these characters and a lot of it is just boring but they try to add some enthusiasm to the characters as they do some science and teamwork. Everyone does their part except
Ben who Reed just left behind to accept his scholarship and work in a laboratory while he stays with his abusive brother at the junkyard until he calls him to join in on going to the 4th Dimension
. Johnny Storm looked cool with his powers. But that's about all I mildly liked. Everything else is just boring to bad to horrible.
What exactly does The Dark Knight do in terms of character writing thats so special? Almost the entire movie is plot-driven, not character-driven. Batman Begins succeeded far more in that area IMO and is one of the gold-standards that Marvel and other studios should look to do similar things with.
What exactly does The Dark Knight do in terms of character writing thats so special? Almost the entire movie is plot-driven, not character-driven. Batman Begins succeeded far more in that area IMO and is one of the gold-standards that Marvel and other studios should look to do similar things with.
Because current hero movies give us zero character introspective. You know why I attack the mcu so.much? Because the real characters, in the comics, are SO much better, more interesting, with such great stories that makes me frustrated how Feige turns them into live action cartoons. A good CBM focused on the characters, not cgi action, would be a godsend, because those characters exist already and deserve being treated with the same respect the comics have done for decades. Trank's FF first half is ALL about the characters before their "super heroization" and so he delivers a humanizing vision in a world with so many interchabgeable predictable vapid plots filled with vapid characters.
No shit they are better in the comics but it really does seem to me that you haven't actually watched any of the MCU movies and love to shit on them when you prop up shit movies like this.
A sappy monologue does not count as character intropsective. If anything Ultron ereased every character development in that was barely going on in the MCU resetting everything to the A1 status quo and making Iron Man the most moronic "hero" in recent action films. Also, hi Devin Faraci
The Dark Knight, and every other film classic ever made. You gotta care for a bit more than about toy sales for that though.
Yup I am convinced you have no clue what you are talking about or really just haven't seen them especially when you use Dark Knight as the example of character development.
This movie barely did anything right and characters is something it didn't do right.
It's a movie that has a bunch of good actors that never seem to have no clue, I think it says alot when the older fantastic four movies are better films than this one with better characters.
& again, I'd argue Ant-Man after seeing it last night. It's not as solid, but it's definitely there. And it definitely made me like Lang as a character.
What exactly does The Dark Knight do in terms of character writing thats so special? Almost the entire movie is plot-driven, not character-driven. Batman Begins succeeded far more in that area IMO and is one of the gold-standards that Marvel and other studios should look to do similar things with.
So here's my question: Fox has pretty much proven it is hit-and-miss with Marvel properties. So if Fantastic Four, which I was actually excited about due to the trailers, is this bad, should we really keep our hopes up for Deadpool and X-Men Apocalypse?
I know most of it is due to director, cast, script, etc, but that stuff still gets green lit from the studio. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of FF either, but I've am losing hope in anything Marvel-related not coming from Marvel to be anywhere near the level of Marvel good. Heck, Marvel even lost some magic after AoU, although Ant-Man totally redeemed them.
Deadpool looks awesome in the trailer, but Ryan Reynolds hasn't been in a great comic book movie. Ever. Green Lantern, Blade 3, X-Men Origins Wolverine, RIPD, all bleh.
And Bryan Singer, as great as DoFP was, isn't perfect in his r cord either. X-men 1,2, good, Supes Returns, meh although I understand his ambition.
So here's my question: Fox has pretty much proven it is hit-and-miss with Marvel properties. So if Fantastic Four, which I was actually excited about due to the trailers, is this bad, should we really keep our hopes up for Deadpool and X-Men Apocalypse?
I know most of it is due to director, cast, script, etc, but that stuff still gets green lit from the studio. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of FF either, but I've am losing hope in anything Marvel-related not coming from Marvel to be anywhere near the level of Marvel good. Heck, Marvel even lost some magic after AoU, although Ant-Man totally redeemed them.
Deadpool looks awesome in the trailer, but Ryan Reynolds hasn't been in a great comic book movie. Ever. Green Lantern, Blade 3, X-Men Origins Wolverine, RIPD, all bleh.
And Bryan Singer, as great as DoFP was, isn't perfect in his r cord either. X-men 1,2, good, Supes Returns, meh although I understand his ambition.
It's a good question but I do think Ryan Reynolds was the best thing about Green Lantern in any of the comic book movies I've seen him in. He's stayed pretty consistently good.
I hold out hope that X-Men Apocaplyse and Deadpool will be good but I think it's kind of an unknown at this point.
So here's my question: Fox has pretty much proven it is hit-and-miss with Marvel properties. So if Fantastic Four, which I was actually excited about due to the trailers, is this bad, should we really keep our hopes up for Deadpool and X-Men Apocalypse?
Cant really group them together like that. While i wasn't crazy about DOFP it was at least entertaining so I'll look forward to Apocalypse. Deadpool is being created specifically as a love letter to fans so unless it's just a bad fucking movie than it should turn out fine, I think with RR having as much influence as he does on the project and loving the character so much, it would be surprising if it turned out poorly.
I think FF is just a special case because the producers at Fox don't know what to do with it and don't care enough to find a writer/director combo that does. With this movie they seemed to just want to make anything that slightly resembles FF in passing so they could kick the can down the road and try again later. Xmen at least seems to be in good hands whenever Singer has his way.
So here's my question: Fox has pretty much proven it is hit-and-miss with Marvel properties. So if Fantastic Four, which I was actually excited about due to the trailers, is this bad, should we really keep our hopes up for Deadpool and X-Men Apocalypse?
I know most of it is due to director, cast, script, etc, but that stuff still gets green lit from the studio. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of FF either, but I've am losing hope in anything Marvel-related not coming from Marvel to be anywhere near the level of Marvel good. Heck, Marvel even lost some magic after AoU, although Ant-Man totally redeemed them.
Deadpool looks awesome in the trailer, but Ryan Reynolds hasn't been in a great comic book movie. Ever. Green Lantern, Blade 3, X-Men Origins Wolverine, RIPD, all bleh.
And Bryan Singer, as great as DoFP was, isn't perfect in his r cord either. X-men 1,2, good, Supes Returns, meh although I understand his ambition.
Ryan Reynolds has a legit passion for Deadpool & everything we've seen on the movie has been pretty on-point, so I have no reason to doubt it right now. As for Apocalypse, they have the same creative team as DoFP, and both First Class & DoFP delivered. As such, we have fair grounds to be hopeful for Apocalypse.
Basically, Fox is getting their shit together with the X-Men. It's just that Fox doesn't understand why the Fantastic Four are great in the comics.
People want to see a cool super hero movie. F4 - when it becomes a super hero movie (emphasis on that) - it is awful. The final act (the only act where they become heroes, or at least come together) is worse than act I can remember in these movies. Green Latern had cool action scenes. This does not. Does it build up to anything? No. I understand why people will hate this movie and I get why some here are panicking at these highlighted points.
But...
The irony is that F4 succeeds in areas that comic book fans generally don't pay as greater focus on compared to e.g. costume choice and action scenes. 2/3rds of this movie isn't even about superheroes and thus the positives of that element are buried or ignored in anticipation of something else.
I enjoyed it because I have found films that emphasise action over everything else to become tiring and dull after a while. So personally, F4 filled a gap for me. It made me sympathise and understand the characters. It made the romantic undertones (thank god there wasn't a forced love interest that ended in an awkward kiss) believable and interesting. In fact, even in these reviews, the first half of the film generally gets positive remarks.
It's just a shame that the positives (something that Marvel films desperately need IMO) are ignored and dismissed.
Comic book movies should not just be about people punched through walls and an exact replica of costumes. They should first and foremost be films with good writing and character development. F4 is not great at it, but it does it well, or at least better than others have.
The image of Doom going around these threads perfectly encapsulates the attitude surrounding this film. Shit sticks on the wall because people want to believe it to be that bad. Lets be honest, minds were made up long before this released. It has had nothing but negative buzz. And yet I came away from it writing all this about a franchise I couldn't give a shit about.
See, here's the thing. In this very thread several actual comic book fans have talked about how a dream way to handle restarting the F4 would be to start with a Doom biopic adapted from Books of Doom, which would basically be exactly what you're saying you want. So please don't dismiss us as people that just want costumes and action, because that's not what most comics are.
Books of Doom is a character focused and driven origin story detailing how and why Victor became what he did. It allows us to somewhat sympathize with him (it even includes romance!) while also showing where he's critically flawed. It's not exactly heavy on action and most of it occurs before his armour or "becoming Doctor Doom". The buildup itself is interesting, not just the building of anticipation. And it has a pretty perfect ending.
Makes Green Lantern look like what? Are you buying this?
Please see the film at some point (whether this week or in a few years) and you know these reviews are going into hyperbole territory to score traffic.
I have never disagreed with opinions about a movie to this extent. The movie isn't even that good, but to portray it this way? I went in there waiting to be bemused by the shitstorm. There was no shitstorm. There was no cringe, or train-wreck.
Plenty of people in this thread have seen the film, and you appear to be the only person to disagree with reviews. It:s very unlikely that he would disagree statistically speaking.
