Crackdown 2.
Far Cry Primal uses the same map (heavily updated) as Far Cry 4.
- Thread starter Khalifa Jayy
- Start date
Crackdown 2.
Trojan
Member
I actually think it's a positive that studios can repurpose existing work and not recreate the wheel every time. Too often devs will spend enormous amounts of time creating elaborate engines and assets that get scrapped or used for one game and then thrown out. With the exorbitant cost of AAA games these days, devs that work smarter will win out. This seems like a good example of this and most didn't pick up on it because they were able to alter the most noticeable parts.
ScaryShark
Banned
Completely subjective and doesn't warrant a 'for fuck's sake' in response.
I Platinum'd 3, 4 and Primal and this being a repurposed map was impossible to tell since the game is so different. It wouldn't surprise me if it was intentional since Ubisoft loves having their franchises exist in the same universe and the game even opens with the date rolling back from the present. That probably doesn't satiate the anti-Ubisoft circlejerk going on the Internet right now.
Okay i stand corrected, looks like there are more devs who does that.
TemplaerDude
Member
I don't have a problem with this because I've immensely enjoyed both FC4 and Primal. That's all that really matters to me.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Ofc they aren't. This isn't even a common thing amongst Ubisoft games specifically by my knowledge.
Well obviously someone did notice it, hence the existence of this topic.
However, a more salient counter-point is that Far Cry's maps are covered until you explore them. Only until you've nearly explored most of the game is when you can really put two-and-two together. This excuse doesn't hold water; better off sticking with "work smarter not harder".
Nevertheless, it's only the heightmap. if the actual terrain was a 1 to 1, then there'd be a bit more conversation. Just stop to think before blindly defending the game.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yes, because people always need shit to complain about.
They didnt copy paste the map layout, they reused the height map. Probably reused textures too. It is not being lazy it is being efficient. There is no point in having the texture artist paint another leaf texture when you have a library of hundreds of them. I have been working in games and movies for 12 years now every studio reuses assets and modifies existing assets to create new ones. What you are bitching about is akin to saying "this plumber is lazy because he did not buy a new screwdriver for every job, instead reused his old one"
This. Only farcry game since 1 that I've actually finished!
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You do know that assets get reused all the time?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The devs of Saints Row IV took the actual map of SRIII and and added alien related new assets to it, it was originally supposed to be an expansion like Gat of Hell that got expanded into a full game. That's different from what the devs of FC
did. What happened with SRIV's map, that being the literal map being the same as the previous entry is not very common, asset reuse however, is quite common in games development.
SentryDown
Member
According to Neogaf, the heightmap is worth 30 and the animations 15, that's why it should have been a 15 expansion.
ElephantShell
Banned
That's.... Interesting I guess.
It's not a big deal, but it's kinda neat they were able to use the same basic layout to save time and make it different enough that practically nobody noticed.
It's not a big deal, but it's kinda neat they were able to use the same basic layout to save time and make it different enough that practically nobody noticed.
Stereogatari
Banned
Not surprised. I tried Far Cry 3 and 4. They did nothing for me. They felt too "gamey" too much UI, too many "systems". It feels like a game made to tick the boxes of things a modern AAA open world game should have.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I feel that the title should be changed to "height map" instead of "map." The height maps are the same but the actual layout and assets are very different.
It started out as a standalone side project like Blood Dragon, and they most likely realised they could get $60 for it.
If it crossed our minds then it crossed theirs.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Garrett Hawke
Member
Isn't it significantly longer and larger than Blood Dragon though
And features actual animated cutscenes
And many other markings of a full release
SlasherJPC
Banned
It's pretty lazy for people to actually not play the game and come in here complaining about it. Just saying.
As a lazy person I find this incredibly clever. I don't get the fuzz over this at all, it's not like they copied the entire map over 1:1.
ClosingADoor
Member
Reusing stuff happens all the time and is just smart to do with expensive development.
Sodding_Gamer
Member
I've only played about an hour but watched the gf play a fair amount of it and I would never have noticed this if I had not seen this comparison. The use of different foliage and atmosphere completely masks the fact it's the same geological features under the hood so-to-speak.
To be honest I'm not surprised. This is Ubisoft we are talking about. But it's a smart decision and for someone who played 40 hours of Farcry 4 (which I found to mostly be a bit of a chore to play) I didn't notice a thing.
To be honest I'm not surprised. This is Ubisoft we are talking about. But it's a smart decision and for someone who played 40 hours of Farcry 4 (which I found to mostly be a bit of a chore to play) I didn't notice a thing.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I actually think this is kind of cool....? Cost-cutting, to be sure, but what a piece of trivia. And I kind of admire them for their ability to completely rework one game into another....
Ding Ding Ding Ding!
JumpCancel
Banned
"We knew fans of Farcry 4 loved the feeling of our world. So we made the same game again, with the same map. Other hidden easter eggs for fans are the animations they know and love, along with gameplay that's straight out of Farcry 3, for our older and dedicated Farcry players. Fans are key to our design philosophy, and we hope it shows."
-Mr. Ubisofto
FantasticMrSnake
Member
I played the both of them and it's all new for me as well.
I don't see the problem here, the maps doesn't feel alike at all, and some parts on that red drawing are not even close -____- . (The left river is equal obviously, but only in the drawing, not ingame)
CaseyTappy
Member
I´m starting this game tonight , I just hope they didn´t also reuse the elephants from FC4 with added hair to mimic Mammoths 
Can´t wait to get pre historic .
Can´t wait to get pre historic .
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
They change the map and everything inside it, so it's no biggie. Not to mention it's far more efficient than making new map.
This is actually a great feature that i would love to see.
This is actually a great feature that i would love to see.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
At least it gives you an inkling of who to pay attention to in the future when it comes to things like this, (i.e. people who've worked on games). And how often people actually read past the title.
I agree, the map is obviously a re skin, BUT an absolutley huge one that feels nothing like FC4. I actually like FC
's map. It feels nice to wonder about in?Yeah, I agree with people being fed up with the usual Ubisoft practices and game design, but there's no reason to just shit on a company for the sake of it.
With Ubi giving AC an extra year of dev time and coming out and saying AC may bot be a yearly franchise from now on shows that they are learning and trying to improve their games.
A company doesn't just throw away millions of dollars of profit away for the sake of it. It shows they are trying to strengthen their core brands.
Edit: May as well say I'm hyped as fuck for Watchdogs 2 and the next AC. I didn't even really like Watchdogs but I want to see how they expand the world and core mechanics.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
So Ubisoft is also lazy? How would of thought lol!
This is an amazing idea.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
ITT:A shocking amount of people throw accusations of laziness at a huge company, (who puts out of ton of huge games a year with huge efforts toward world-building and atmosphere as well as a lot of attention to detail in things like character animation) despite being incredibly transparent about their own lack of knowledge about the industry. I thought we were better than this sort of behavior. :|
This is FC4
This is the exact same area, almost if not 100% same positioning on the map in FC
rimal.
Accusations of laziness ironically are the laziest form of "criticism" when put under any sort of scrutiny. Especially when it concerns asset reuse that you'd never notice if it wasn't pointed out by the developers themselves.
The Baron Count
Member
At the risk of not jumping on the ever popular Ubisoft bitching bandwagon. Why the heck is this a problem?
Is this something ANY of you would have noticed? If the answer is no the I think you can see why they did it. If they can use the same terrain but make it look and feel completely different then it reaches the same goal.
Outright reusing assets for sequels and just rezzing them up has been commonplace for a long time and THAT is something that you can actually notice. Reusing the terrain is clearly Ubisoft trying to be as efficient as possible so they could get the game out in the short time that they did.
I don't think that this would be appropriate for every game of course, but for this one it clearly worked out perfectly fine. There are a hell of a lot of creatively bankrupt moves that Ubisoft makes that one could point out, but I don't think this is really one of them.
I absolutely hate the direction that Far Cry has gone post 2, but this is seriously not a problem.
Is this something ANY of you would have noticed? If the answer is no the I think you can see why they did it. If they can use the same terrain but make it look and feel completely different then it reaches the same goal.
Outright reusing assets for sequels and just rezzing them up has been commonplace for a long time and THAT is something that you can actually notice. Reusing the terrain is clearly Ubisoft trying to be as efficient as possible so they could get the game out in the short time that they did.
I don't think that this would be appropriate for every game of course, but for this one it clearly worked out perfectly fine. There are a hell of a lot of creatively bankrupt moves that Ubisoft makes that one could point out, but I don't think this is really one of them.
I absolutely hate the direction that Far Cry has gone post 2, but this is seriously not a problem.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Because somehow asset reuse in anyway shape or form is only bad when ubisoft does it, even when it's literally something the player wouldn't notice because it's heavily modifying an asset that most players don't even know exists compared to say reusing contextual animations or textures.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Reads that way only to you. Waaaay oversensitive, I guess Gator86 should've put a "I'm so sorry to express my opinion and trying to write a well thought out statements on why I think it's over-rated so far, sorry to put your purchase under the lens, next time I'll stick to lazy/not lazy".
Damn.
While having a new map entirely is ideal, why would people care if they changed the whole landscape? Imagine if they used the same map, but built a futuristic city on top of it? Is it really that important in the grand scheme of things?
I have my reservations towards Ubisoft, but this isn't one of them.
I have my reservations towards Ubisoft, but this isn't one of them.
ManUnkindH
Member
this is genius lol
80s Bad Guy
Banned
Because in my mind I will now know I'm playing in the same map space which does make it feel cheaper. Ignorance is bliss? And because it shows just how much they care creatively about this world. Budget be damned, change a few rivers at least.