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Fast Food Chains Price Wars. 99cents or bust

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Ripclawe

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Finally the answer to the Mcdouble I have been wondering.


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cheapeats30-2009apr30,0,7861076,print.story

Before the recession, Andrew Puzder, who heads the Carl's Jr. and Hardee's burger chains, liked to joke about how sharp-priced competitors were "giving food away."

As the recession deepened and the number of 79-cent taco and 99-cent hamburger offers exploded, Puzder realized it was "no longer a joke; they are giving food away."

Literally.

On Monday, KFC gave away a free piece of its new grilled chicken just for the asking. And on Tuesday, most El Pollo Loco stores offered two pieces of chicken, two tortillas and salsa free upon request.

Welcome to the fast-food value war -- a battleground where $3, $4 or $5 will buy a hungry consumer a double burger, fries and drink combo, or entrees such as a pesto turkey sub, a grilled chicken burrito and more tacos than anyone but a teen boy could consume.

"The marketplace is contracting and all the brands are using value to get sales," said David Ovens, chief marketing officer of Taco Bell. The nation's largest Mexican fast-food company is a full participant, touting its "Why Pay More" menu of 79-to-99-cent items such as the Cheesy Double Beef Burrito and Triple Layer Nachos.

Rival El Pollo Loco has taken it one step lower -- 69-cent tacos, with a limit of 10.


Fast-food chains are chasing cash-careful customers such as Kevin Henderson of Monrovia, who was eating the new $4 Torpedo turkey sandwich at Quiznos in downtown Los Angeles on Friday.

"It's cheap, only four bucks, and I will get a cup of water to go with it. I don't eat out too often these days, but when I do I look for the best value," said Henderson, who works for Caltrans.

Quiznos and its competitors are responding to customers who are eating more at home, waiting for some attractive promotion or coupon before heading to the drive-through and skipping sodas and shakes when they do eat out.

Yet going after Henderson and other budget-conscious consumers is a risky proposition. Restaurants must adjust their menus to attract stingy consumers in a manner that doesn't erode their business, said Darren Tristano, a restaurant industry analyst at Technomic Inc.

"You have to manage a shift from high margin to high volume," Tristano said.

Puzder knows he must respond and is bringing back a 1/8 -pound hamburger that will sell for 99 cents to $1.29 at Carl's Jr., depending on the location, as well as Carl's chili dogs and Hardee's double cheeseburgers at two for $3. This isn't the way Puzder, chief executive of CKE Restaurants Inc. in Carpinteria, Calif., likes to do business.

"I refuse to lock us into some low price point and then make food I won't eat," Puzder said. And based on his experience sampling the value fare at several competitors, he considers much of the low-priced food in the marketplace "inedible."

Puzder contends that it's almost impossible to sell quality food at $1 or less.

"Go to the store," he said. "Buy ingredients and make something yourself that you spent only 99 cents on. It is really hard, and then we are not even including the cost of rent, utilities and labor in that 99 cents. It is just ingredients.

"You can do value and quality -- you just can't do 99 cents and quality."

Quiznos knew it needed a value entree but didn't attempt the $1-or-less level, said Rick Schaden, CEO of the Denver sandwich chain.

The company's marketing research found that "there is kind of a big cliff above $4 right now" and set that as its target. It gave a team of chefs, accountants and marketers the task of coming up with a product, and in March, Quiznos launched the $4 Torpedo sub sandwich. A month later, the sandwich accounts for about 25% of the chain's sales, Schaden said.

The five sandwich selections include the Italian, with pepperoni, spicy capicola and ham, and the Turkey Club, with sliced oven-roasted turkey and bacon.

Schaden said comparable-store sales, or sales at stores open at least a year, are up by double digits during the first weeks of the Torpedo's introduction. The sandwich also is bringing more people into the restaurants, allowing Quiznos to make up for the lower price by selling more food to customers such as Karen Algorri of La Mirada.

"We saw the $4 sign when we were walking by and decided to go for the deal," said Algorri, as she ate lunch at a downtown Quiznos recently.

The Torpedo also has a higher profit margin than other sandwiches. Ingredients make up 29% of its retail price. That's lower than the 30% average cost for the company's entire menu, Schaden said.

There are other fast-food examples of less is more.

Qdoba, the Mexican chain owned by Jack in the Box of San Diego, offered a combo meal promotion in February that was a profit booster. It sold any full-size chicken entree with chips and salsa and a regular fountain beverage for $6.99. The combo has a relatively low food cost, so if a customer traded down from a comparable steak entree, Qdoba's profit margin increased.

"If you can shift people away from higher-food-cost items like steak to chicken, the margins can go up, and you hope to get people buying the meal more often so your sales go up," said Tammy Bailey, a Jack in the Box vice president.

Stung by previous price wars induced by soft economies, the chains have become much smarter about "engineering offerings that are still profitable," said Robert Derrington, an analyst at Morgan, Keegan & Co. in Nashville.

In December, McDonald's replaced the double cheeseburger on its $1 menu with the McDouble burger. The two sandwiches are essentially the same, with one exception: The McDouble has only one slice of cheese instead of two. The change saves restaurants 6 cents per sandwich, and "when you sell as many as we do, it adds up quickly," said McDonald's spokeswoman Danya Proud.

Even when chains aren't cutting back on ingredients, they are getting an economic break because of the rapid decline in the price of food commodities compared with a year ago, Derrington said. But eventually that will end, and restaurant prices will increase.

"Once commodities start to go up," Derrington said, "consumers won't be living in the world of great deals that they have today."
 

smurfx

get some go again
i rarely eat any 1 dollar burgers or tacos from any fast food restaurant. the one i do eat once in a while is the chicken sandwich at jack in the box.
 

Phobophile

A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
smurfx said:
i rarely eat any 1 dollar burgers or tacos from any fast food restaurant. the one i do eat once in a while is the chicken sandwich at jack in the box.
Fast food burger places suck so hard and the "value" meals are a huge rip off. The dollar menus are the only things worth ordering.
 

Phobophile

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worldrunover said:
Seriously, what kind of meat could they POSSIBLY be serving for $1?? Have you thought about this?!
The exact same crappy meat as the other burgers, but at a fraction of the size.
 

Tobor

Member
I'm still waiting for someone to explain Apple Pie pricing at McDonalds. 2 for $1, or 1 for $0.95. WTF? :lol
 

laserbeam

Banned
NomarTyme said:
I like Jack in the Box 2 tacos for $1, but I know there are a lot of haters!

Friends and I used to go at like 3 am and order 50 tacos during WoW Raid nights. They hated us so much. Not a huge fan of the tacos but at 3 am they are passable.

Del Taco ftmfw.

Went to Burger King to get a Star trek glass and I was shocked to see Whoppers are $1.99 now was like D=
 

Tobor

Member
gdt5016 said:
I can taste the different between a double cheeseburger and a mcdouble.

I CAN TASTE IT!

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laserbeam said:
Friends and I used to go at like 3 am and order 50 tacos during WoW Raid nights. They hated us so much. Not a huge fan of the tacos but at 3 am they are passable.

Del Taco ftmfw


:lol when i was working for my uncle's wrecking yard as a teen in the summers, they would make my ass go to Jack in the Box and get like 50 tacos and 50 jumbo jacks for the guys in the shop. One time the manager came out and scolded me and told me that next time if we don't call ahead they are going to refuse our order.
 

VPhys

Member
Full Recovery said:
I will never understand how a medium sized soda costs more than a hamburger.

Yeah, these places make a KILLING off fountain drinks. That's why I never buy fountain drinks anymore.
 

Phobophile

A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
gdt5016 said:
I can taste the different between a double cheeseburger and a mcdouble.

I CAN TASTE IT!
Actually, I'm kinda with you on that one. You get to actually taste the meat product better since there's less dairy-based cheese product.
 

whitehawk

Banned
Tobor said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain Apple Pie pricing at McDonalds. 2 for $1, or 1 for $0.95. WTF? :lol
You might see an add for it and go "Hey, thats a great deal, Lets go to mc donalds!!" Then when your there, your like, "Hey theres a burger for $1.49 lets get that!! OH and make it a meal I want fries. Oh ill get thirsty, through a coke in there too!!!"

etc etc
 

Timedog

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NomarTyme said:
I like Jack in the Box 2 tacos for $1, but I know there are a lot of haters!

eating that is like an exercise in masochism. I keep getting it, but I know that it's the worst item on their menu, and quite possibly the worst food item i've ever eaten. like some taco zombie, i just can't stop my lips from saying "two 99 cent tacos, please" when I pull up to the intercom.

I'm almost certain that its made from grill "crusties" scraped off after hundreds of hamburgers are made, slapped haphazardly into a taco shell with an expired cheese single, then dumped into some room temperature grease, where it sits until someone orders one.

But dude, fuck it, right? Since I just thought about jack in the box tacos, i'm probably going to order one tonight.
 

Toby

Member
Best dollar sandwich: Spicy Chicken at Carls Jr.

Anyone tried the torpedo? I am wondering if it is any good.
 

Zoe

Member
Tobor said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain Apple Pie pricing at McDonalds. 2 for $1, or 1 for $0.95. WTF? :lol

Even more hilarious is when you get a store that charges more for ice cream in a cup rather than a cone. And then the ice cream in a cup is only 10 cents less than an ice cream sundae.
 
As a kid I remember 29 cent burgers at Mcdonalds and 39 cent cheeseburgers. (On tuesdays I think)

Im not talking about the 1920s

Im talking about 1992-1995.


1$ is not thaaat cheap, compared to what existed when I was a kid.
 

Phoenix

Member
I'm surprised with how many people in this thread don't realize that the cost of ingredients in a 0.99c meal still affords these guys margin.
 

mj1108

Member
Tobor said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain Apple Pie pricing at McDonalds. 2 for $1, or 1 for $0.95. WTF? :lol

That reminds me when their double cheeseburgers used to be $1 and the regular cheeseburger would be 99 cents. :lol

Del Taco is also doing a price war (here anyway) where on Tuesdays you get 3 (hard or soft) tacos for 99 cents.
 

unomas

Banned
I remember when I was in college 10 years ago and McDonald's in Alabama had Triple Cheeseburgers for .99. Those were the days. At least I know what a McDouble is now, I always had a weakness for McDizzles double cheeseburgers.
 

thefit

Member
Wendy's has the best value food. I love their Chili unfortunately that item has gone up after being $99 for so long :(
 

Phobophile

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thefit said:
Wendy's has the best value food. I love their Chili unfortunately that item has gone up after being $99 for so long :(
I remember when their chili was meaty. And came with fresh onions and cheese. Now it's soupy and more flavorless.
 

Neverfade

Member
RiskyChris said:
If money is tight enough that you need to get a fucking water with your $4 sub then maybe you should brown bag it.

Or...you know, water is a lot healthier than soda.

And yes, I realize we're talking about fast food. The fact of the matter still remains that cutting sodas ALONE can potentially lead to weight loss (I've done it!).
 

Toby

Member
mj1108 said:
Del Taco is also doing a price war (here anyway) where on Tuesdays you get 3 (hard or soft) tacos for 99 cents.

Are you just getting that? The one's around here have been doing it for at least 4 years now.

I enjoy fast food, and usually order off the dollar menu, but even I can't stand Del Taco. Every time I go there I walk away thinking I should have gone somewhere else.

Burger King has a good deal where if you take a survey by calling the phone number on the back of your receipt, you can get a whopper or chicken sandwich + value drink + value fries for $2+tax.
 

unomas

Banned
Neverfade said:
Or...you know, water is a lot healthier than soda.

And yes, I realize we're talking about fast food. The fact of the matter still remains that cutting sodas ALONE can potentially lead to weight loss (I've done it!).

Agreed, even if you eat fast food getting water instead will definitely save you on some serious calories. I gave up soda almost completely 5 years ago, I might have one every few months or so if that.
 

Tobor

Member
thefit said:
Wendy's has the best value food. I love their Chili unfortunately that item has gone up after being $99 for so long :(

It never bothered you that the chili is made with the left over burgers from the day before?
 

SapientWolf

Trucker Sexologist
"Go to the store," he said. "Buy ingredients and make something yourself that you spent only 99 cents on. It is really hard, and then we are not even including the cost of rent, utilities and labor in that 99 cents. It is just ingredients.

"You can do value and quality -- you just can't do 99 cents and quality."
That's not really true, because if you buy in bulk each individual item isn't going to cost much. If you buy a package of frozen burgers and the store brand buns each burger isn't going to cost much more than a dollar, and it will probably be a lot bigger and taste better.
 

Phobophile

A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
SapientWolf said:
That's not really true, because if you buy in bulk each individual item isn't going to cost much. If you buy a package of frozen burgers and the store brand buns each burger isn't going to cost much more than a dollar, and it will probably be a lot bigger and taste better.
See, that's very subjective. Most store-bought frozen patties aren't engineered by food scientists to have added flavoring. And the quality of the meat is rather comparable. The only advantage is larger portions and greater control of cooking method, so your burger can be grilled, George Foreman'd, and as greasy or not to your liking.
 

smurfx

get some go again
mj1108 said:
That reminds me when their double cheeseburgers used to be $1 and the regular cheeseburger would be 99 cents. :lol

Del Taco is also doing a price war (here anyway) where on Tuesdays you get 3 (hard or soft) tacos for 99 cents.
damn i didn't know that . i'll go next tuesday and get 3 dollars worth of soft and hard tacos! :D
 
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