Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

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nVidiot_Whore said:
Sure, perhaps legal on self defense claims.

But revenge killings aren't legal; if it really was a reasonable amount of force then so be it.
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Not "self"-defense, no. But defense of an innocent to protect against further harm. Both are potentially justifiable reasons to kill. And you're right. Not in revenge. This was not revenge, however. It was stopping an immediate and present threat to the girl's safety and well-being.

This particular case may or may not involve that crime; either way IMO justified enough for the LE to not even investigate further.
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Agreed. It hinges on whether or not the dad intended to kill the man or just to stop the sexual abuse. It sounds like it was the latter and the abuser's death was unintentional. If true, this would be one of the clearest cases of justifiable homicide that there is and no sane DA would ever bring it to court.
 
For the people complaining about the "defense force" in this thread, NO ONE is defending the abuser or saying what a great guy he was or that he didn't deserve to be punished. NO ONE is saying that. nVidiot is NOT saying that. I agree with what he's said about the "defense" thing (sorry for bringing this bit back up). If a guy walked in on his acquaintance raping his 4 year old daughter, that probably would have stopped the actual rape/assault. So punching the guy after the fact wouldn't be "defending" his daughter from being assaulted if that had already stopped. nVidiot isn't saying the dad was wrong for what he did or that he shouldn't have punched the guy...he's just saying the beat down was one of vengeance/anger, not one of actual physical defense of his daughter. Yes, this does depend on the actual circumstance, which none of us knows yet. For the people saying that nVidiot's making too much of an assumption by saying the rape would have stopped immediately, you're making just as much of an assumption by thinking that it wouldn't have. None of us was there when it happened. This entire thread is based on speculation.

Also for the people attacking the people asking for proof...calm the fuck down. Asking for proof of what happened is not the same as saying "Psh, didn't happen, this dad was wrong for punching a guy that probably wasn't even raping his daughter." Is it wrong to want actual proof before making such bold claims as "that dude totally had it coming; i would have done so much more, you'd have to surgically remove my boot from his ass I LOVE MY DAUGHTER." Jesus. I'm glad none of these rhetorically vengeful people (as nVidiot rightly--in my opinion--calls them) are lawyers. Yeah, four year old daughters are a spot of emotion for any good father, but when discussing the legality of this case, you can't let your emotions get in the way like that.

I think this is a shitty situation all around, based on what we know from the article.

A young girl was assaulted, her father witnessed it, and then he killed a man (however accidental it may have been). Shitty.

But no one is defending the dead abuser. So stop ranting about the "fucking defense force," and kiss MY ass instead for letting your emotions get in the way of what could be a very logical discussion.

Sorry if it seems like I'm kissing nVidiot's ass here, but it angers me to see people misinterpreting his very logical posts. I think he's contributed a lot to the discussion, and he in no way condones raping four year olds.
 
I would have done the same exact thing. Except I wouldn't have been remorseful. I would have said I was, then spit on the guys grave. That's his daughter.
 
eravulgaris said:
He deserved it. Fucking defense force in this thread can kiss my ass.
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Defense force of what?

Are you implying that there would be people defending the guys right to sexually abuse a four year old? That the dad should be okay with it?

Or are you saying that the people defending the fact that murder is wrong are actually closet pedos themselves?

Fuck that bullshit. You just want to feel superior in your morals to the rest of the fucking internet, so you invent these goddamn morally depraved phantoms. Just stop it.

S.Dedalus said:
For the people complaining about the "defense force" in this thread, NO ONE is defending the abuser or saying what a great guy he was or that he didn't deserve to be punished. NO ONE is saying that. nVidiot is NOT saying that. I agree with what he's said about the "defense" thing (sorry for bringing this bit back up). If a guy walked in on his acquaintance raping his 4 year old daughter, that probably would have stopped the actual rape/assault. So punching the guy after the fact wouldn't be "defending" his daughter from being assaulted if that had already stopped. nVidiot isn't saying the dad was wrong for what he did or that he shouldn't have punched the guy...he's just saying the beat down was one of vengeance/anger, not one of actual physical defense of his daughter. Yes, this does depend on the actual circumstance, which none of us knows yet. For the people saying that nVidiot's making too much of an assumption by saying the rape would have stopped immediately, you're making just as much of an assumption by thinking that it wouldn't have. None of us was there when it happened. This entire thread is based on speculation.
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Thank. You.
 
Dr.Acula said:
This was clearly voluntary manslaughter. The father will probably be acquitted for a "crime of passion," if prosecutors bring charges at all, which I doubt, because of the high profile nature of this incident.
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I would be very shocked if he was charged. The daughter was to young to defend her self and her self defense rights pass to the guardian of the child. He can be charged but never convicted.
 
lttp as it were

but

cannot see myself doing anything different and would fully expect to be not charged either. I have a 9 yo daughter, she is almost literally all i have and if anyone was harming her like that, ....


I have no sympathy for the offender here.
 
Glad the rapist is dead. If I walked in on someone doing that to my 4 year old I'd have the same response to just lose all control and beat him until he stopped twitching.

What kind of disgusting fuck does that to an innocent child...
 
Self-defence (of a third-person), baby, in just about any jurisdiction in the world.

[obviously will depend on circumstances i.e. continually to punch him while he was unconscious, etc]
 
cyclonekruse said:
Not "self"-defense, no. But defense of an innocent to protect against further harm. Both are potentially justifiable reasons to kill. And you're right. Not in revenge. This was not revenge, however. It was stopping an immediate and present threat to the girl's safety and well-being.



Agreed. It hinges on whether or not the dad intended to kill the man or just to stop the sexual abuse. It sounds like it was the latter and the abuser's death was unintentional. If true, this would be one of the clearest cases of justifiable homicide that there is and no sane DA would ever bring it to court.
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Nope, all that matters is whether the force was reasonably necessary to prevent harm to the daughter. It probably wasn't, unless just one punch or two killed the molester, and maybe not even then. But you're right that no DA would want to touch this case.
 
I''d probably react violently too in that situation.
At the same time I realise that killing another human being in front of her could be more traumatizing.
 
killing someone is probably not something the father attended, and probably not in front of his daughter, but last time I checked, he wasn't some combat specialist. And when was the last time y'all punched someone while thinking "I'll hold back a bit?" When you start punching, you better commit, or it will be your face on the pavement.

Sucks for everyone involved imo. There really isn't a 'winner' here.
 
Tha Robbertster said:
Thank you for your constructive criticism. Much appreciated! I'm sorry I'm not happy with the fact that somebody died, even if he was a horrible human being.
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Most people in this thread live in reality, where it is understandable and quite easy to empathize with someone who, in the heat of the moment, accidentally kills the man who is molesting their daughter. I think you're being incredibly idealistic about this.
 
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Most people in this thread live in reality, where it is understandable and quite easy to empathize with someone who, in the heat of the moment, accidentally kills the man who is molesting their daughter. I think you're being incredibly idealistic about this.
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There's a contrarian in every thread. Don't stress it.
 
bengraven said:
I don't know, killing a person is a pretty heavy thing to deal with. Despite the horrible thing the man was doing, the father is probably in his own head right now deciding if the punishment was worth it.

If someone did that to my four year old, I would want them dead, I say to myself. But if I killed someone touching my kid, I would probably have my own issues to deal with later down the road knowing that a man is gone from this world due to my hands.
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That, sir, is a fair point.

Now personally, I wouldn't give a single flying, walking, or standstill fuck about it. I'm the slightly paranoid father of three beautiful girls. They are my heart, my world, my life. And if, God forbid, I ever caught someone attempting to molest my child, I would have a meltdown. I trust someone to be around my family, and they abuse that trust for their own sexual gratification? With a little girl thats still in preschool?! Oh, hell no. LOL....I'm getting pissed off just thinking about it!

The rapist is responsible for his own fate. Getting your head bashed in is a predictable consequence of being caught in the act of raping a child. Fuck 'em.
 
Shouldn't be charged. It is not like the father chased after the guy and stabbed him a 100 times or ran after him and put 10 bullets in his head. This was accidental though the intent was to hurt in order to protect his daughter.
 
BigDug13 said:
It wasn't a cryptic question. The prosecution and the police both said there is no point in pursuing anything against the father because he was basically in the realm of "self defense" because of his daughter.

I personally feel like the justice system in the United States is racist, with white people getting away with more crimes than black people.

I also feel like the prosecution and police wouldn't have given the father the benefit of the doubt in this particular case if the father was not a white man.
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awwwww fuck. This thread is now go to be a shitfarm.

I'm out.
 
BigDug13 said:
It wasn't a cryptic question. The prosecution and the police both said there is no point in pursuing anything against the father because he was basically in the realm of "self defense" because of his daughter.

I personally feel like the justice system in the United States is racist, with white people getting away with more crimes than black people.

I also feel like the prosecution and police wouldn't have given the father the benefit of the doubt in this particular case if the father was not a white man.

It really doesn't have anything to do with this case other than I'm curious what people think would be the result if the races were different.

Maybe I shouldn't have derailed, so ignore I guess.
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That's an entirely different thread.
 
Dude Abides said:
Nope, all that matters is whether the force was reasonably necessary to prevent harm to the daughter. It probably wasn't, unless just one punch or two killed the molester, and maybe not even then. But you're right that no DA would want to touch this case.
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I think if such a case ever went to a trial, the jury would feel like his actions were reasonably necessary, emphasis on "reasonable." That is, he would be found innocent because the jurors would view it as justifiable homicide rather than manslaughter.

As far as it being "necessary" it probably wasn't. There are other possible ways to stop sexual abuse. However, are you going to stop and think about those possibilities at a time like that or are you just going to act? If not, then it's probably not reasonable to expect that someone use one of those methods. Also, if he thought his child's life was in danger (which many might find to be a reasonable assumption in such a situation), that could make the use of lethal force more acceptable, especially in a place like Texas.
 
No one has the right to kill anyone IMO, and I agree it's a rage kill. He should have cut the abuser's dick and balls off, make him eat it while shoveling a chair up his ass instead.
 
MonkeyKing said:
That, sir, is a fair point.

Now personally, I wouldn't give a single flying, walking, or standstill fuck about it. I'm the slightly paranoid father of three beautiful girls. They are my heart, my world, my life. And if, God forbid, I ever caught someone attempting to molest my child, I would have a meltdown. I trust someone to be around my family, and they abuse that trust for their own sexual gratification? With a little girl thats still in preschool?! Oh, hell no. LOL....I'm getting pissed off just thinking about it!

The rapist is responsible for his own fate. Getting your head bashed in is a predictable consequence of being caught in the act of raping a child. Fuck 'em.
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My four year old son is the world to me. If I ever lost him, I wouldn't be able to live one day after he was gone - I'd probably do myself in either to make sure I was able to find him and take care of him on the "Other side" or just to calm the pain I would live with for the rest of my life.

I can't even think for a second what type of rage I would feel if someone were to hurt or violate my kid. And killing a human being, even a vile humanity-less creature, not only would hurt me, but I'd be double hurt to have done it in front of my kid. Not only did he already lose his innocence because of this vampire, but I helped him lose even more by watching a human die in front of him. Long before he learned the concept of "revenge", he would have years of therapy already - only until those years were over would he understand and/or forgive me for what I did. And then there's me, less important, but knowing I took a life would be hard.

I watched my mentally, physically, and sexually abusive stepfather die of the cancer that was eating away his brain and stomach. I literally watched his last breaths and despite the years of pain and the fact that I'll never be a normal human because of him, I still felt like someone should do something and bring him back. I couldn't bear to see even a piece of fucking shit die right in front of me.

So I don't know, that's where I'm at thinking about this.
 
The Anti-Monitor said:
You know, nobody is saying this guy should be convicted. Some people are saying (and justified) that the insane bloodlust GAF has sometimes might not always be the best thing. Hell, the father of this story claims to be extremely remorseful, and I can believe it. GAF loves their stories about butchering criminals but they just don't realize that the last thing someone enduring the mental torture of having had a 4 year old daughter raped is the mental torture of having killed a man with his own hands.

Do I think this story would've ended better if the rapist was arrested? Yeah. Do I think the father was wrong in the slightest? Of course not. He went too far, but it's completely understandable, and the guy he killed was absolute scum. In the heat of the moment he was just thinking he had to stop that guy, and was completely in the right for doing what he did.
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What do you honestly expect from people on a forum in a story about a 4 year old being molested? Cool heads? Extreme logic or rational thoughts? It's a disgusting occurance that infuriates people. There is always a handful of posters I know will come into threads like this with an unpopular opinion and act shocked at something that is simply so easy to understand. Stuff like this pisses people off and they say things on par with their emotions.
 
CountAntonius said:
What do you honestly expect from people on a forum in a story about a 4 year old being molested? Cool heads? Extreme logic or rational thoughts? It's a disgusting occurance that infuriates people. There is always a handful of posters I know will come into threads like this with an unpopular opinion and act shocked at something that is simply so easy to understand. Stuff like this pisses people off and they say things on par with their emotions.
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Also, insane rage? I'd say wanting a child molester dead is perfectly sane rage. Violence is sometimes the answer. Worked out great in this case!
 
CountAntonius said:
What do you honestly expect from people on a forum in a story about a 4 year old being molested? Cool heads? Extreme logic or rational thoughts? It's a disgusting occurance that infuriates people. There is always a handful of posters I know will come into threads like this with an unpopular opinion and act shocked at something that is simply so easy to understand. Stuff like this pisses people off and they say things on par with their emotions.
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Call me crazy but I think it's perfectly logical and rational to beat someone to death when you catch them in the middle of sexually assaulting your 4 year old child.
 
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