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Favorite Star Trek series?

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bionic77

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I always liked the Original Series, TNG, and DS9 (everything done after that point was pure garbage). It took a few seasons for TNG and DS9 to get good, but I don't know what happened to Star Trek after DS9, it was like they picked the most unlikeable characters possible.

I think I have to go with TNG as my favorite series. Probably the best ending I have ever seen for a tv show. Sadly, that ending was better then all of the decidedly average TNG movies. It started out pretty crappy as a series, but once Tasha died it (one of the worst actresses ever), the series just kept getting better from there. TNG was the most clever of all the Star Trek shows imho as well. Some of the shows, such as the slavery episode involving Data, were very clever and well done. I caught that show right after I finished Property in law school and I could really appreciate some of the arguments they used.

So what is your favorite Star Trek series and why?
 

Ryu

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[BIG DS9 Spoilers] DS9 simply because every character in that show grew in big dramatic ways. The end of the show really felt like the end of a show as everyone basically split up and went seperate ways more or less. Bashir and Ezri continued their relationship on the station, Miles went to teach at Starfleet Academy on Earth, Sisko became a God, Worf went to the Klingon homeworldto assist Chancellor Martok in some way, Martok became Chancellor, Kira got a promotion and stayed on the station, I forget what happened to Jake, Nog became a lieutenant I think, Quark kept his bar, Rom became Grand Nagus, Odo went back to his people, Jadzia died, and that's about it unless I'm missing someone... Not many shows really finish like that.
 

DarienA

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TNG by a hair over TOS, I'll always have a soft spot for TOS
TOS
DS9 - Rocked during the dominion war( I didn't see the end of it though.... at least I don't think I did... but I vaguely remember Odo going back to his people and in an evening-like atmosphere sinking back in to/joining with the rest of his folk... was that the final ep? Also refresh my memory... weren't his people behind the Dominion War? WTF Sisko became a god? Details please).
Voyager = Enterprise
 

Prospero

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TOS. It had the best-developed characters of the franchise, and low budgets meant that they pretty much had to have good scripts in order to hold interest. Even TNG would slum it in that respect now and again. Plus TOS gave rise to some of the best SF movies ever made.

TNG was okay, but I never liked it as much as TOS--it may be a generational thing, since most people who are younger than me (I'm 30) seem to prefer TNG to TOS.

Even though I liked Avery Brooks, DS9 got too inside for me and dependent on its own backstory and mythology--after something like season 3 or 4, if you missed a single episode you were out of the loop. (Compare to TOS and most of TNG, where you can watch any single episode and enjoy it without having seen any of the others.)

I lost interest in the franchise around the time of Voyager, so I can't talk about that or Enterprise.
 
Definitely the original series. The show is entertaining because of Shatner's hilarious acting and the fact that he sleeps with every female he runs across.
 
The best by a large margin:
1. TNG - good characters and stories. Well, after the first two seasons...

These next three are hard to put in right order, but I feel that Enterprise has shown lot of potential lately:
2. Enterprise - 3rd and 4th seasons have been good, I hope it keeps up.
3. Voyager - the first three seasons were crappy, but it got much better. Holodoc and 7 of 9 rock, but Janeway, Tuvok, Chakotay, Kes and Neelix were weak. Other characters are ok.
4. TOS - The original still has some episodes that are absolutely brilliant, but too many of the episodes are crap and it only lasted 3 seasons.

The worst:
5. DS9 - Some good episodes, but the charactesr are not very good and when they begin to seriously rip off Babylon 5 it just doesn't work.
6. TAS - doesn't even feel like Star Trek. Gah.


But the first three movies and Star Trek VI are my favourite Star Trek.
 

Ryu

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WTF Sisko became a god?

He went to the celestial temple (wormhole) and joined the "aliens" in there who are considered to be God's of the Bajoran people. So, in effect, he became a God.
 

bionic77

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Patrick Stewart was easily the best actor on any of the Star Trek shows. He really deserves to be in more movie roles.

On a side note, who was the funniest Star Trek character? Some obvious choices that come to my mind are Kirk, Work, Troi, and Nog.
 

8bit

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DS9.
Voyager was promising, but Janeway was a terrible captain and it limped to a boring finish.
 

Prospero

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Oh--and let me just say that I never, ever, ever liked the design for TNG's Enterprise. Not only does it look dated now, but it looked dated back when the show was originally televised. The show's producers should have just used an Excelsior-class ship.

The original Enterprise (as depicted in the movies) still looks great, though.
 
Prospero said:
Oh--and let me just say that I never, ever, ever liked the design for TNG's Enterprise. Not only does it look dated now, but it looked dated back when the show was originally televised. The show's producers should have just used an Excelsior-class ship..

The engine section was too small compared to the gigantic saucer section. :D They needed to choose camera angles carefully or it looked a bit silly.


The original Enterprise (as depicted in the movies) still looks great, though.

True.
 

BojTrek

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For me... this is really a tough one... but I think my Top 5 are...

5 - Enterprise - I actually don't consider it Star Trek because Star Trek was always about the future.

4 - Voyager - I watched it every week, but it was weak more than not.

3 - The Original Series - with all the re-runs over the years... I wonder if I have seen every episode. The DVD's are too expensive... they should be in the Buffy $59 price range.

2 - The Next Generation - I loved the show, watched it religiously... watched the replay the following Sunday night... would buy the DVD's if they were $59.99

1 - DS9 - This was very tough, I love TNG but at the end of this series... I was gripped into watching all of the characters... I had a tear in my eye when it ended... DAMNIT I cried at the end of TNG... Maybe I better flip-flop 1 & 2...

The Next Generation movies are weak... I only own First Contact and Nemesis... I wanted to watch Nemesis again and wonder WHY... Why did their last movie have to be so weak...
 

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bionic77

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ManaByte said:
The Inner Light is the best episode of any Trek series. Period.

Which episode was inner light? I will always have a soft spot for All the Good Things. I wish they had made that into a movie, would have been a lot better then the stuff they actually did.
 

ManaByte

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bionic77 said:
Which episode was inner light? I will always have a soft spot for All the Good Things. I wish they had made that into a movie, would have been a lot better then the stuff they actually did.

It's the episode where Picard lived an entire lifetime in 20 minutes and is the only TNG to win a Hugo award.
 

DarienA

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ManaByte said:
It's the episode where Picard lived an entire lifetime in 20 minutes and is the only TNG to win a Hugo award.

OMFG that episode rocks so fuckin hard... the flute that he gets at the end actually tugged the hell out of my heart when he opened the case...... that and just before he wakes up when his old friend appears and Picard says something like... It's me! It's me!.... and in subsequent episodes whenever he would pull it out to play....

yeah bar none that was definitely one of the best fuckin TNG episodes EVER.
 

bionic77

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ManaByte said:
It's the episode where Picard lived an entire lifetime in 20 minutes and is the only TNG to win a Hugo award.

This was one of the episodes near the end right? I swear almost every episode they did during their last 2 years was pure gold. This is the kind of episode that I think places TNG at the top, I don't think any of the other shows could have pulled something like this off.
 
ManaByte said:
It's the episode where Picard lived an entire lifetime in 20 minutes and is the only TNG to win a Hugo award.

One of the best for sure, but just a little correction for you.

"All Good Things" (TNG) -1995
"City on the Edge of Forever" (TOS) - 1968
"The Menagerie" (TOS) - 1967

Also won Hugo awards.
 

Saturnman

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8bit said:
DS9.
Voyager was promising, but Janeway was a terrible captain and it limped to a boring finish.

If you saw the screen test for Genevieve Bujold, Kate Mulgrew was infinitely better as Captain Janeway.

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Come on people, how could anyone say anything other than TNG?! It is simply the sci-fi show which all others are judged on! It has everything: great stories, awesome cast, and was pretty much consistent and strong the whole time.

You all may think of me stupid to point this out, but I think the fact that many non-sci-fi fans still loved the show proves how amazing it was at crossing boundaries.
 

Saturnman

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I used to love TNG, but it has aged. I'm not just talking about the special effects, it's the stories and they way they tried to redefinie Trek, with hits and misses.
 

DrForester

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DS9 by far.

I liked TNG, but after watching DS9, i realized that none of the characters in TNG went anywhere.

Picards only development happened with the borg, and that development was never an issue unless the borg were there.
Sisko on other hand went from the death of his wife, to dealing with his kid, dealing with being a religious figure to the bajorans to dealing with a war. YOu saw his dark side (He framed the dominion to trick the romulans into the war!)


Riker was the little yes man, and he was a yes man after 7 years. Kira went through so much over her 7 years. Comming out of the occupation, they did a great job forming her into a great leader, who was worthy of taking command in the end.

Data was the only character to really develop at all in the show, but his development pales in comaprison to Odo who was much better at being the "student of humanity" than Data was.

Dr. Crusher was just there to read stuff on screen, Pulaski had more development in her 1 season than Crusher did the other 6. Bashir on the other hand was looked at very in depth, and went from a scrawny guy we wanted to kill in season 1 to an enjoyable character.

Worf had little development on TNG, just a sotry arc to go with him in the klingons, which was fleshed out much better once he made the trip to DS9.

Geordi did nothing over 7 years except watch his mom die,a nd go crazy every now and then. O'Brian on the other hand fixed an entire station, had a family, and was routinly put through hell at least once a season by DS9's writers.

Wesly Vs. Jake. There's really nothing to say here, wesley sucked, jake didn't

Troi, pft, so useless. Dax actually had a real job, and was MUCH better eye candy than Troi. Ezri Dax was better in her 1 season than troi in 7 years. And Dax hasn't crashed 2 ships before.

ANd now lets look at DS9's extra characters that had no TNG counterpart.

Quark/Nog/Rom - They brought oout the ferengi culture in a great way

Gul Dukat, Kai Winn, Dominion, Section 31 - DS9's cast of villans was much more enjoyable than brining in the Q or the romulans once in a while


And the biggest reason DS9 is the best trek....


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I got to admit Garak was one fucking evil character, damn he owned. The man was pure evil even Dukat cant touch him.

He also reminded me of the Cubans in FL situation, they are closer to home and yet they can not go home.

Garak rocked for a tailor :lol
 

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Saturnman said:
I used to love TNG, but it has aged. I'm not just talking about the special effects, it's the stories and they way they tried to redefinie Trek, with hits and misses.

Bingo.

In many ways, TNG has dated even more then the TOS. THe 80's PCness of it all is really annoying at times, in the later Treks you get characters who are more rounded. But it did have a great cast, where later Treks, even tho the characters were more fleshed out, didn't.
 
DS9 - People have already said all the reasons why this is the best: a continous storyline, characters with more to them than in other Treks, and more entertaining interaction between those characters.

TNG - Great series, though it's pretty reliant on the strength of a small number of characters. Picard and Data really carried the show. Though Riker and Worf had their moments as well.

TOS - Honestly I haven't seen this in many years, so I don't remember too much. I do recall liking it a lot, but I would need to see it again to see how it stands up to the modern series'. But I'm sure that it's better than Voyager and Enterprise.

Voyager & Enterprise - Not really worth discussing.

As far as the movies go, the first four are the best by far.
 

Baron Aloha

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I liked Next Gen and Voyager.

I could go either way on the original series. The movies with the original cast are much better than the NG movies though.

I hate Enterprise and DS9.
 

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Voyager as annoying as it was at times, when it got it right, like Scorpions 1 & 2 & Year of Hell 1 & 2 it got it really right.

Although as ever with Berman & Bragga...one step forward, meant two steps back on Voyager.

How else do you explain taking one of the coolest adverseries in Trek - the Species aliens and then humanizing them the following season with that total bullshit story where a humanoid one kisses Chakotay. For fuck sake.
 

Saturnman

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Seven of Nine took too much space in Voyager and I didn't like how she often have to justify herself with everything she did.

I tend to prefer the earlier season of Voyager even though Kes is pretty useless.
 

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Saturnman said:
Seven of Nine took too much space in Voyager and I didn't like how she often have to justify herself with everything she did.

I tend to prefer the earlier season of Voyager even though Kes is pretty useless.

Worst thing I can say about Seven is her nanites prevented Neelix from dying. :((((
 

madara

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The one where they go thru this "gate" to other galaxies and fight aliens pretending to be eygptian gods......
 

Saturnman

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Worst thing I can say about Seven is her nanites prevented Neelix from dying. :((((

I think it was in 'Meld' where Tuvok was losing control and ran Holodeck programs where he strangled Neelix to death. :lol
 

Substance

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The Original Series makes excellent midnight viewing. And I mean that in the nicest possible way, it's always much fun.
I never bothered with any of the following series but I can say that the last Star Trek movie was lame.
 

Drensch

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Voyager is really underrated. I used to bag on it, but then I seriously started watching it.
I'd say it rivals TNG for the best.
 

Saturnman

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Voyager has better character interaction compared to TNG. TNG had some good pairing, but take Picard, Data and Geordi out and you've got nothing.
 
"I swear almost every episode they did during their last 2 years was pure gold."

Season 7 was a mediocre season for me. They had obviously run out of ideas. They did episodes about Data's mother, Geordi's mother, Crusher's grandmother's ghost lover, Worf's foster brother, Picard's "son I never knew I had", the de-evolved crew, the enterprise giving birth, worf's son travelling back in time to kill himself, Data wearing magic masks which change his personality.......

the last episode was amazing and much better than any of the movies, but overall the last season was second only to the first season as far as bad episodes.


And DS9 is the best. Even season 1 had exceptional episodes like Duet, where Kira is interrogating the Cardassian war criminal.
 

LakeEarth

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I always forget the name of my fav TNG episode... which is the one where the ship just keeps on exploding over and over? That one ruled.
 

ShadowRed

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1. TNG- People who say the characters didn't grow obviously didn't watch the show. Picard went from a old grumpy authoritain captian to a more respectful outroverted person. Geordi grew a lot he went from a fresh faced ensign to a genus engineer, yet ackward when it came to relationships. Data went from a walking calculator to a fledglying human. Worf started off as a stand offish Klingon and came to reconsile his Klingon and human sides. Riker...uhmmm...grew a beard and Troi crashed the Enterprise twice. Along with Crusher thy are the only characters that didn't grew very much.




2. TOS- It started it all and had some great episodes as well as better movies then TNG. The Kirk, Spock, McCoy troika was tops.

3. DS9- Contray to most people I think it got worest after the Dominion popped up and the writters started watching Babylon 5 for ideas. The pilot sucked but about mid way through the 1st and midway to the third the show was pretty fucking good. Anyone who says Jake was better than Crusher needs to be shot.

4.Enterprise- would probably be tied with Voyager if not for this season. Too bad they will never get to show how much better they could have been, sort of like TOS.

5. Voyager- was pure crap from idea to implimentation and presentation. People have such a hard on for Riker, Trio and Crusher not changing over time, but you have an entire show where the characters were the same from beginning to end.
 
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