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[bob_arctor]

It literally says she hired people to ensure her emails were encrypted and they flat out didn't without telling her, simply so they could have access in case they needed to troubleshoot. This isn't her being careless. This is her simply not being an IT person and trusting they would set up everything correctly

And we want her to be President? ARE WE OUT OF OUR GODDAMN MINDS!???

 

[eBay Huckster]

You know what I'd not do if I was bad at email? Have an email server in my house set up by some random guy who shouldn't have access to it

Good thing there was a better alternative that didn't rely on ignoring the fact that THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT is still comically bad at securing things, let alone State

 

[TAJ]

My mom is the same age and my sister has been going over to teach her to use an iPad. No hyperbole, I've seen a developmentally disabled 1yo pick it up faster.

 

[whyamihere]

And we want her to be President? ARE WE OUT OF OUR GODDAMN MINDS!???

Hillary certainly is.

#HillaryStools2016

 

[mrhyderager]

Which is why you follow what IT and security people say. You listen to what the experts tell you to do so.

Bingo! My point exactly. It's acceptable for her to not be an IT expert. It's unacceptable to ignore the things she's being told just for her own ease of access.

Do you really think the president handles sensitive material in his emails?

It's 2016. If the Secretary of State communicates via email why would you think the President would do any different?

 

[PeskyToaster]

What the hell do you think NeoGAF is?

A nexus of hardcore gamers, enthusiast press, and video game industry developers and publishers. Maybe also a neutral ground where facts and evidence, presented within the confines of civil, inclusive discourse, prevail through careful moderation?

 

[eBay Huckster]

Which is why you follow what IT and security people say. You listen to what the experts tell you to do so.

So did you actually read the report or are you just vomiting randomly onto your keyboard and posting the results?

She LITERALLY LISTENED TO THE IT EXPERTS ON HAND.

 

[shoplifter]

How exactly am I supposed to trust someone that doesn't understand how email works at a rudimentary level to run the most powerful country in the world? Never mind that she would be spearheading policy on how the internet and digital IP should be regulated.

edit: i'm half serious

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Bingo! My point exactly. It's acceptable for her to not be an IT expert. It's unacceptable to ignore the things she's being told just for her own ease of access.

It's unacceptable that said people who are suppose to advise allowed her to go along with it and believe it was okay. If they believed it was important enough they should've pushed back. It's not like she was using only a single blackberry in secret. They were all aware

How exactly am I supposed to trust someone that doesn't understand how email works at a rudimentary level to run the most powerful country in the world? Never mind that she would be spearheading policy on how the internet and digital IP should be regulated.

You realize the President isn't literally writing up these policies themselves, right? They have a team of experts and advisors explaining things to them, drafting these documents, explaining the significance of those drafts, and helping them revise

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

And we want her to be President? ARE WE OUT OF OUR GODDAMN MINDS!???

And what the fuck do you propose we do about it now? It's either her or Trump and she seems a hell of a lot better to me despite of these mistakes.

How exactly am I supposed to trust someone that doesn't understand how email works at a rudimentary level to run the most powerful country in the world? Never mind that she would be spearheading policy on how the internet and digital IP should be regulated.

Because the primaries are over and this is the choice we face?

 

[shamanick]

The point is the person at the top is accountable for her team. You can't kick the can down the road and just ¯\_(&#12484_/¯ when you are president.

 

[Jeffrey]

You monster.

Most cases, tablet cameraing is dumb, but for grandma, its ideal. Digital cameras require usb cables and transfering and all kinds of complexity, also the giant 'view finder' is good for her not so great eyes.


I'm surprised people here are all experts on email? It's a format that I still have problems with. Always get the BCC's and CC's confused. And IMAP stuff has been headaches over the years.

 

[Blader]

It's 2016. If the Secretary of State communicates via email why would you think the President would do any different?

Of course the president does. But again, what does this have to do with how the White House manages email security on the president's devices?

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

And what the fuck do you propose we do about it now? It's either her or Trump and she seems a hell of a lot better to me despite of these mistakes.

I don't think he was serious with that.

 

[studyguy]

Actually had two

They had a war with each other and one of them won

Calling it a war is being generous, it was more a matter of most people being too lazy to change over to a new system and opting for something more familiar.... wait a second.

 

[bob_arctor]

And what the fuck do you propose we do about it now? It's either her or Trump and she seems a hell of a lot better to me despite of these mistakes.

 

[WaffleTaco]

So did you actually read the report or are you just vomiting randomly onto your keyboard and posting the results?

She LITERALLY LISTENED TO THE IT EXPERTS ON HAND.

Now I'm just confused...so what did she do wrong then if she listened to the experts?

And there's no reason to say "vomiting randomly onto your keyboard" like seriously is this how you talk to people?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

You'll have to excuse me, I have been reading the same posts but in a serious manner on twitter.

 

[whyamihere]

How exactly am I supposed to trust someone that doesn't understand how email works at a rudimentary level to run the most powerful country in the world? Never mind that she would be spearheading policy on how the internet and digital IP should be regulated.

edit: i'm half serious

Because probably no one who has ever run for president from a major party probably understands how email works at a rudimentary level?

 

[digdug2k]

It's 2016. If the Secretary of State communicates via email why would you think the President would do any different?

He said "sensitive material". Sending sensitive material over email is a recipe for disaster. Once its out of your hands you have no idea who has it and who has seen it. That's why she did this to begin with. She wasn't using email for confidential conversations, so there was really nothing to worry about in her mind.

I don't really see a lot of "old person" syndrome here. Old person syndrome is "whats an email? How does a mouse work? etc" This is just busy important people who don't want to spend their days fumbling around with tech and have enough power to cut through red tape. I've seen CEO's of tech companies, people who invented the web, basically do these same things.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Now I'm just confused...so what did she do wrong then if she listened to the experts?

And there's no reason to say "vomiting randomly onto your keyboard" like seriously is this how you talk to people?

Ya'll got your wires crossed or something, and actually agree. I dunno.

 

[shoplifter]

You realize the President isn't literally writing up these policies themselves, right? They have a team of experts and advisors explaining things to them, drafting these documents, explaining the significance of those drafts, and helping them revise

And how am I supposed to know that the 'experts' and 'advisors' that draft them don't have purely selfish motives and are using her lack of knowledge to their advantage? Granted, this is how it works 9/10 times anyway.

 

[diablos991]

Sounds like a quality I want in a leader of my country...

 

[minor effort]

And what the fuck do you propose we do about it now? It's either her or Trump and she seems a hell of a lot better to me despite of these mistakes.

Argh, I just don't trust that after a year of being dragged down with this overly-politicized bullshit Hillary Clinton has learned a single lesson. Not a one! She would probably do it again if we let her!!

Hip meme grandma Hillary will likely "snapchat" nuclear launch codes to her "squad".

 

[metalslimer]

And how am I supposed to know that the 'experts' and 'advisors' that draft them don't have purely selfish motives and are using her lack of knowledge to their advantage? Granted, this is how it works 9/10 times anyway.

You don't but you literally can't have one person knowledgable in every area

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

this email shit is such a nothing issue, and it's mindblowing how so many people continue to latch onto it. It's obscenely unreasonable, particularly when the other choice is one of the biggest pieces of human garbage to ever run. (and Johnson is a fucking waste)

Sounds like a quality I want in a leader of my country...

Should we go over Trump's "qualities" once again?

 

[Joey Fox]

The point is the person at the top is accountable for her team. You can't kick the can down the road and just ¯_(&#12484_/¯ when you are president.

Thank you. It's called accountability. Anyone who throws her people under the bus is unfit to be a leader and is not a leader.

 

[Revolver]

Powell comes out looking bad. Giving her advice on how to avoid FOIA and she decided to follow the law instead. Yet she's supposed to be the crooked one.

 

[Holmes]

We seem to be at the generational divide between senior government workers and modern day technology. Hillary was not the only government worker to be completely ignorant of modern technology and won't be the last, but as we get older, it'll become less and less frequent.

 

[Aselith]

And how am I supposed to know that the 'experts' and 'advisors' that draft them don't have purely selfish motives and are using her lack of knowledge to their advantage? Granted, this is how it works 9/10 times anyway.

Well, if the leader is doing their job properly, they get the policies checked and crosschecked by disparate experts so you get many opinions.

 

[HariKari]

Not a good look for her.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

And how am I supposed to know that the 'experts' and 'advisors' that draft them don't have purely selfish motives and are using her lack of knowledge to their advantage? Granted, this is how it works 9/10 times anyway.

You don't, but that that's the case with every person in power with a team of people helping. No single person can be an expert at everything. All we can expect is a reasonable level of knowledge so as to minimize being taken advantage of or being swayed into clearly (from the perspective of more knowledgeable people) bad decisions

Look at the clusterfuck that was the implementation of the ACA site. Do you think Obama knew wtf was going on or what the problems were aside from that it was slow and non-responsive?

 

[Fragamemnon]

I need to get to this dank chat channel. Too good.

[10:18 AM] kristoffer: Is it because there were 14 other hrs
[10:18 AM] redact: Vince Foster died on January 5th
[10:18 AM] kristoffer: Also lol at hr instead of hrc
[10:18 AM] kristoffer: @redact Holy shit, he did. Lock her up.

Fixed this for you?

 

[whyamihere]

Thank you. It's called accountability. Anyone who throws her people under the bus is unfit to be a leader and is not a leader.

Which is why she apologized many times and said it was a mistake and if she had to do it again she wouldn't?

 

[eBay Huckster]

Now I'm just confused...so what did she do wrong then if she listened to the experts?

Absolutely nothing, apparently! Sorry for the tone, but we're in month I've lost count on this fucking scandal with the same people hammering the same points to zero effect and it's starting to grate on me.

Thank you. It's called accountability. Anyone who throws her people under the bus is unfit to be a leader and is not a leader.

People like this guy, who keep yammering on about this with brand-new slightly different angles of the same goddamn thing like "accountability" when Clinton has literally taken full accountability for this more times than I have made good posts.

 

[banktree]

And we want her to be President? ARE WE OUT OF OUR GODDAMN MINDS!???

She's got a long history of good policies and solid Democratic work. The 500th attempt by Republicans, this time with the help of the far left who aren't going to be happy with anything less than total Socialism, to trump something up beyond it's importance just to have nothing come of it doesn't change that.

There are four legitimate candidates. She's the only one whose policies aren't dangerous or flat out insane.

The fact that she trusted IT and Colin Powell and is bad at explaining things about it doesn't change the fact that out of four people running, two of which won't get 5% of the vote combined, she's the best option.

 

[bob_arctor]

You'll have to excuse me, I have been reading the same posts but in a serious manner on twitter.

It's all good. This election environment has been crazy so I can see being easily duped by sarcasm. What used to be obviously stupid shit to say has become par the course.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Which is why she apologized many times and said it was a mistake and if she had to do it again she wouldn't?

these people don't wanna listen to reason whatsoever, it's unbelievable. (and he's a Trump supporter btw, like do they think that man has some moral high ground here? It's delusional as fuck)

 

[NikonShots]

It's like people have never had to go to your parents house to teach them how to open or save an attachment or simply change their home page. Man old people suck at computers.

My parents are not running for president! Could you imagine? Protective Plastic on couches would get written into law.

 

[mrhyderager]

It's unacceptable that said people who are suppose to advise allowed her to go along with it and believe it was okay. If they believed it was important enough they should've pushed back. It's not like she was using only a single blackberry in secret. They were all aware

An adviser is just that. Consulting does not mean you're circumventing the boss. It means you're providing an outline of best practices and the infrastructure to adhere to them. From there, the client is on their own.

Of course the president does. But again, what does this have to do with how the White House manages email security on the president's devices?

As I noted above, if the President chooses to ignore or disregard White House directives, what can be done? They've proven that there's no path recourse here.

 

[Fat4all]

My parents are not running for president! Could you imagine? Protective Plastic on couches would get written into law.

I could dig it.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

An adviser is just that. Consulting does not mean you're circumventing the boss. It means you're providing an outline of best practices and the infrastructure to adhere to them. From there, the client is on their own.

Circumventing? You mean like how she asked for her emails to be encrypted and they chose not to?

'stated the Clintons originally requested that e-mail on the PRN Server be
encrypted such that no one but the users could read the content. However, PRN ultimately did not configure the e-mail settings this way to allow system administrators to troubleshoot problems occurring within user accounts.

 

[minor effort]

Which is why she apologized many times and said it was a mistake and if she had to do it again she wouldn't?

Some people won't be happy with any level of contrition short of her dropping out of the race.

 

[joebruin]

You realize the President isn't literally writing up these policies themselves, right? They have a team of experts and advisors explaining things to them, drafting these documents, explaining the significance of those drafts, and helping them revise

I learned this from watching house of cards. 😳

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

There is such a thing as a "Digital Immigrant". The fact that she used any of that stuff at all is impressive. Growing up in the Digital age has changed the way we think and process information. We can adapt and utilize new technologies efficiently because we have an innate understanding of their foundations. This kind of understanding is incredibly difficult to teach, and someone who didn't grow up in the digital age (aka digital immigrants instead of digital natives) will never be able to use technology at an efficient level as a population.


So getting on Hillary for not being proficient in technology just makes you look like you are out for blood. There is a reason why these position have staff. Her staff, especially that dick who kept pleading the 5th failed her.

 

[Resident_UA]

Now I officially think that anyone holding this against Hilary is an idiot. People were telling me how this was intentional and extremely shady stuff, but in reality it's carelessness at worst. And seeing how anyone can hack into anything at this point and knowing how many people in the US have clearance to get Top Secret info, I wouldn't be surprised if her email was safer than some of official communication networks.

 

[hawk2025]

Thank you. It's called accountability. Anyone who throws her people under the bus is unfit to be a leader and is not a leader.

Glad you peg Trump's white supremacist hires directly to him, then.

Makes all this shit a whole lot more transparent if you just own up to it.

 

[digdug2k]

We seem to be at the generational divide between senior government workers and modern day technology. Hillary was not the only government worker to be completely ignorant of modern technology and won't be the last, but as we get older, it'll become less and less frequent.

Again, I really don't think you'd find younger people do much better. How many kids do you know who've ever set up a private email account on.... anything? Or are you proposing that our next president will do better because they can hold all our official state meetings over Facebook Messenger?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Glad you peg Trump's white supremacist hires directly to him, then.

Makes all this shit a whole lot more transparent if you just own up to it.

The guy supports Trump and I've never seen him take accountability for anything. I'm sure his Presidency will be lots of blaming different departments whenever something goes wrong.

 

[pigeon]

What's with the ageist and sexist thread title? Also, Hillary was 60/61 when that system was installed.

I'll cop to it being sexist, that's my bad. I should've said "person." I didn't consciously intend that but it's still not great on my part.

I'm not sure about the ageist thing, to be honest, but it's definitely not my intention to offend anybody there. I genuinely think that older people are less likely to understand computer use than younger people because, like, computers were invented in the 80s and it's harder to learn new things as you get older. If that's ageist, I'm happy to discuss the topic further and understand why and how.