FBI: Clinton "never deleted, nor did she instruct anyone to delete, her e-mail"

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jay said:
Is the running commentary in the OP from "if you don't like Clinton you're a sexist" pigeon?
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If you're referring to the post I think you're referring to, that sentence was intended to be a joke. Clearly people don't always find my jokes amusing :P

I don't think criticizing Hillary is sexist. I have criticized her a bunch. I do think supporting Trump is racist, but that's a different topic.
 
antipode said:
Here's the thing that's crazy.

Let's review serious goverment hacks that have taken place in the last 8 years:

- McCain and Obama 2008 campaign employees' accounts (China, 2008) http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_...mpaigns-took-internal-documents-officials-say
- Sarah Palin's Yahoo mail (password guess, 2008)
- Gmail and Google secure infrastructure (China, 2010, Hillary Clinton consulted on response to Chinese government with Google)
- White House employees' Gmail accounts (China, 2011) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/04/technology/04hack.html
- Goverment employees' Hotmail accounts (China, 2012) http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/technology/microsoft-to-notify-users-of-government-hackings.html
- State Department confidential cables (Manning)
- State Department employees' Gmail Accounts (Russia, 2014-5)
- State Department employees' .gov accounts (China/Russia, 2014-5) http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/10/politics/state-department-hack-worst-ever/
- President Obama's .gov account (Russia, 2015)
- DNC and Clinton Campaign employees' accounts
- CIA and DHS directors' AOL accounts (2015) http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/politics/cia-fbi-alleged-hacking-report/


You know what's missing from that hack list? Clinton's private email server. You know why? She only emailed a small number of people, and it wasn't hosted on a known system.

Security through obscurity isn't great, but in this case it probably worked.
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yeah i see why because it was a pretty private server. It actually makes sense especially when its pretty innocuous and not obvious without inside knowledge.
 
KHarvey16 said:
A year ago:

'"As I look back at it now, even though it was allowed, I should have used two accounts. That was a mistake. I’m sorry about that. I take responsibility,” Clinton said in an interview with ABC News."'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...izes-for-e-mail-system-i-take-responsibility/

Recently:

"I have been asked many, many questions in the past year about emails, and what I have learned is that when I try to explain what happened, it can sound like I am trying to excuse what I did," Clinton said. "And there are no excuses. I want people to know that the decision to have a single account was mine. I take responsibility for it. I apologize for it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-best-answer-on-the-email-controversy-by-far/
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Funny, she's been saying "sorry" and "I take responsibility" for a year but nobody seems to hear it.
 
Full Recovery said:
I'm sorry but I don't buy the "she's an old lady how do I use computer" excuse. She's a lawyer, she's dealt with sensitive information for years. She's not stupid, and not your average Grandma with little to no electronic knowledge. Pants on fire.
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Even smart people are thrown off by technology when they find them inconvenient and unwilling to educate themselves. Hillary don goofed, its ok, she's human.
 
Revolver said:
Funny, she's been saying "sorry" and "I take responsibility" for a year but nobody seems to hear it.
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right. and at most she would have been fired for it. Not this crazy treason angle people are going for its just super weird at this point. Honestly just shows people in govt arent really these super masterminds people think of with an invisible hand in everything.
 
KHarvey16 said:
A year ago:

'"As I look back at it now, even though it was allowed, I should have used two accounts. That was a mistake. I’m sorry about that. I take responsibility,” Clinton said in an interview with ABC News."'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...izes-for-e-mail-system-i-take-responsibility/

Recently:

"I have been asked many, many questions in the past year about emails, and what I have learned is that when I try to explain what happened, it can sound like I am trying to excuse what I did," Clinton said. "And there are no excuses. I want people to know that the decision to have a single account was mine. I take responsibility for it. I apologize for it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-best-answer-on-the-email-controversy-by-far/
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I was aware of her statements a year ago, but in the interloping months she's repeatedly walked that back and said that she did nothing wrong, etc etc etc.It still doesn't sit well with me that for the last several months she denied any involvement in doing anything wrong. The more recent statement I had missed and I acknowledge that, though. That being the case, I'll drop it.
 
Can we all just accept laws don't apply equally to the powerful as to regular people, note we will not vote for Trump because obviously she is still a better option, and move on?

pigeon said:
If you're referring to the post I think you're referring to, that sentence was intended to be a joke. Clearly people don't always find my jokes amusing :P

I don't think criticizing Hillary is sexist. I have criticized her a bunch. I do think supporting Trump is racist, but that's a different topic.
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My mistake then. The setup sounded legitimate so I fell for it. Unless you don't think sexism is deeply ingrained in most societies as a result of a history long patriarchy. If that's the case I also fell for that.
 
Joey Fox said:
Has she apologized for her lies? I can't remember who she blamed for not turning over all work-related emails.

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Has Trump apologized for any of his lies? his terrible rhetoric and offensive statements? I'm sure sexism isn't play a part in this immense double standard of yours though.
 
jay said:
Can we all just accept laws don't apply equally to the powerful as to regular people, note we will not vote for Trump because obviously she is still a better option, and move on?
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The laws did apply equally. The FBI Director has said multiple times NO ONE would have been charged with anything based on what Hillary did.
 
Full Recovery said:
I'm sorry but I don't buy the "she's an old lady how do I use computer" excuse. She's a lawyer, she's dealt with sensitive information for years. She's not stupid, and not your average Grandma with little to no electronic knowledge. Pants on fire.
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Youve never dealt with any level of support right? Ive supported lawyers before their technological ineptitude is right up there with some CEOs that want their phones setup for them etc. lmao.
jay said:
Can we all just accept laws don't apply equally to the powerful as to regular people, note we will not vote for Trump because obviously she is still a better option, and move on?
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the laws were correct. she at best would have been fired for it. come on.
 
jay said:
Can we all just accept laws don't apply equally to the powerful as to regular people, note we will not vote for Trump because obviously she is still a better option, and move on?
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How did you pull this out of the FBI report that makes it pretty clear that she didn't really do anything wrong?

To indict her based on this report would have been unfairly targeting her.
 
adam387 said:
The laws did apply equally. The FBI Director has said on multiple times NO ONE would have been charged with anything based on what Hillary did.
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No one in what position? It is apples to oranges but a hugely less significant security infraction would cost me my job and possibly put me in prison.

This is not about Clinton versus some other candidate, I think tons of high ranking politicians get away with shit like this all the time and little people do not.
 
jay said:
No one in what position? It is apples to oranges but a hugely less significant security infraction would cost me my job and possibly put me in prison.

This is not about Clinton versus some other candidate, I think tons of high ranking politicians get away with shit like this all the time and little people do not.
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Did you even read the FBI report or at least a summary of it?
 
It's always amusing when people think they know more than the fucking FBI.

People want her to be guilty, they don't want the actual truth.
 
jay said:
No one in what position? It is apples to oranges but a hugely less significant security infraction would cost me my job and possibly put me in prison.
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I'm not an expert on how language works, but I'm pretty sure "NO ONE" in all caps implies no one in any relevant position, which could include State's "grunt work" if you're in some weird universe where even they need to set up private email servers
 
balladofwindfishes said:
How did you pull this out of the FBI report that makes it pretty clear that she didn't really do anything wrong?

To indict her based on this report would have been unfairly targeting her.
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In the defense of a lot of folks, myself included, even the media on the left has made it damn hard to believe a word she says. What she discussed about her actions and the actions of the State Department are completely at odds with the FBI Director's testimony. This report contradicts a lot of what he said publicly either directly or indirectly.
 
platocplx said:
Youve never dealt with any level of support right? Ive supported lawyers before their technological ineptitude is right up there with some CEOs that want their phones setup for them etc. lmao.
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Can confirm. I work IT in a hospital. Doctors, many of which have a decade of higher education, and are in the business of handling private information (HIPAA and all that) are some of the worst at using computers. This is why they pay IT security the big bucks, to try and prevent lawsuits due to the ignorance of others.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
How did you pull this out of the FBI report that makes it pretty clear that she didn't really do anything wrong?

To indict her based on this report would have been unfairly targeting her.
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they didnt read it, and they are just going by what certain circles of news are saying. lol its clear as day at most she should have been fired.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Did you even read the FBI report or at least a summary of it?
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No, I will look into it now. Based on the reactions here the media coverage I have seen is inaccurate.

Edit: already I find this summary of her not being at all trained in anything to be unbelievable. I don't do important work and have been through a million annual information security training programs.
 
We keep being told this email situation is over, but yet critics of hers keep getting material that is just handed over to them. This is going to be a thing during the whole election cycle isn't it? All the big news outlets in TV and the web are talking about this throughout the day, two months after "case closed".
 
jay said:
No one in what position? It is apples to oranges but a hugely less significant security infraction would cost me my job and possibly put me in prison.
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FBI director: "Nobody would get charged with a crime with this evidence."
You: "Yeah they would."

I dunno man. I don't think you're making a great case here. Comey has been repeatedly explicit on this point -- gross negligence or intent can land you in prison. This is just ordinary negligence.

I do think there's a genuine criticism of Hillary here, which is that, knowing she doesn't know much about IT, she could have done a better job selecting IT personnel. That's not a technological question, it's a people management question, which is actually something Hillary is supposed to be good at. I think it's problematic that her IT people seem to have consistently been, well, kind of bad at their job.

That actually does bug me about this whole thing. My hope is that she has learned a lesson from it -- and certainly her hiring choices for the campaign seem to generally have been better, although the Democrats need to stop trying to run in-house IT at all and just switch to Google Apps.
 
Blueliner said:
We keep being told this email situation is over, but yet critics of hers keep getting material that is just handed over to them.
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More like (until now) critics keep rehashing the same goddamn material everyone else has already seen multiple times with a slight twist so it seems new.

(And then the report comes out and it turns out some of that material, told by the FBI's director, wasn't even accurate)
 
NoblesseOblige said:
Can confirm. I work IT in a hospital. Doctors, many of which have a decade of higher education, and are in the business of handling private information (HIPAA and all that) are some of the worst at using computers. This is why they pay IT security the big bucks, to try and prevent lawsuits due to the ignorance of others.
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Stuff like this is exactly why IT exists as a profession, because everyone else can't be expected to be experts on this.
 
jay said:
No, I will look into it now. Based on the reactions here the media coverage I have seen is inaccurate.
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My recommendation is to, you know, always read the report before commenting on it. That's just me, though. And not being shady.

But when the FBI director literally says no one would have been charged with anything for doing what Hillary did....then, I mean, that's pretty clear cut.
 
NoblesseOblige said:
Can confirm. I work IT in a hospital. Doctors, many of which have a decade of higher education, and are in the business of handling private information (HIPAA and all that) are some of the worst at using computers. This is why they pay IT security the big bucks, to try and prevent lawsuits due to the ignorance of others.
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seriously lmao. there are so many legal checks of stuff etc, ive supported C -Level people, ive worked with people with cell phones as far as like people who own their own companies and stuff i would find basic as hell they struggle. Why because people just are focused on other things. Thats why apple is so appealing to so many people they barely have to think about how to do x y z and slowly introduce users to changes.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Now you're just shifting your standards around. Let's be serious here.
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This is literally what he always does, for months now.

He prances around between talking points with zero original content and ignores all replies of substance.

Y'all are chasing a moving target. He's not interested in stopping on a point.
 
Resident_UA said:
Now I officially think that anyone holding this against Hilary is an idiot. People were telling me how this was intentional and extremely shady stuff, but in reality it's carelessness at worst. And seeing how anyone can hack into anything at this point and knowing how many people in the US have clearance to get Top Secret info, I wouldn't be surprised if her email was safer than some of official communication networks.
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The bold is my favorite part of this thing. I've had secret clearance for a previous job, and I was part of the OPM hack last year (that most people don't even care about). My info was all stored on govt servers, and now the Chinese have it all including scans of my damn fingerprints.
 
Shit, I was part of the OPM hack and I didn't even get a clearance!

(Would've gotten Top Secret if hired, though - it was one of State's internships from a few years back.)
 
adam387 said:
My recommendation is to, you know, always read the report before commenting on it. That's just me, though. And not being shady.

But when the FBI director literally says no one would have been charged with anything for doing what Hillary did....then, I mean, that's pretty clear cut.
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The situation is still not entirely clear to me, like I do not believe she was never given a boring course on information security, or maybe if you're important you don't need to have those annually updated in the system. Or maybe there is no system tracking your shit when you're high up. I also don't believe the FBIs word has to be cut and dry - it could be, but the idea that taking a Democratic presidential nominee and former first lady to trial would have no political implications or ramifications is naive. I have read some stuff on other people in sort of similar positions to Clinton who were prosecuted or stripped of clearance, but most seemed to have malicious intent and the articles on these people come from dubious sources like right wing media.

Ultimately, I retract my statements because the evidence is not there regardless of my personal skepticism over the whole matter.
 
Well unsurprisingly, Fox and a bunch of conservative media have turned this into a "gotcha" situation that proves she is careless, especially since she stated "I cant recall" on 39 separate questions (though even in the same negative Washington Post article on that very statement, they point out most of those events occurred around her 2012 concussion and 2013 blood clot which her doctor stated would affect such things).

Here, a big bag of nothing. For conservatives and those looking to tear down the Clintons, this is further adds to their drumpf card.
 
Full Recovery said:
I'm sorry but I don't buy the "she's an old lady how do I use computer" excuse. She's a lawyer, she's dealt with sensitive information for years. She's not stupid, and not your average Grandma with little to no electronic knowledge. Pants on fire.
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Lol you have no idea how clueless most old lawyers are about technology.
 
Older person failing at technology can be charming if it's your grandparent, but not so when it's a presidential candidate.

Hope someone tech savvy will guide her if she becomes president.
 
SoS is basically a glorified pencil pusher. Does anybody care if Steve from accounting accidentally sends documents to the wrong person? Poppycock.
 
Enough people were confused by the OP (which I quite liked BTW) that I think it sort of absolves these old politicians of being dumb with email, haha
 
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