The Army arrived the morning after the riots. Remember? They fled home and were getting ready to leave that morning when the army showed up.
So it's the same 9 days either way.
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Fear the Walking Dead - Season One - Sundays on AMC
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The Army arrived the morning after the riots. Remember? They fled home and were getting ready to leave that morning when the army showed up.
So it's the same 9 days either way.
I didn't hate the characters of the Walking Dead proper like some people (Lori, Andrea) but damn if I don't hate 90% of the cast of Fear. That's certainly an achievement.
Im more impressed by the kids: everybody hates annoying teens on apocalypse movies/tv shows.http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/8/0/4/452804_v1.jpg
Even so, fear the walking dead manages to give the lead character not one but two annoying sons
Beat up her son, jeopardized the community, blamed the ex-wife for her problems, and didn't pick up a gun. In this episode Madison certified herself as the worst character on TV.
I'm glad for the change of pace. IMO, the fall of civilization was happening way too fast. I was surprised since the pilot that it opened with a Walker present. Now that safezones are set up maybe humanity can fall a bit slower now.
I'm glad for the change of pace. IMO, the fall of civilization was happening way too fast. I was surprised since the pilot that it opened with a Walker present. Now that safezones are set up maybe humanity can fall a bit slower now.
crazyrabbits
Banned
For one thing, it was explained that the area around the neighborhood is secured. There aren't any walkers around (in fact, as I understand it, this is the first episode of either series to not have a single walker in the episode). Her cutting a hole in the fence isn't as dangerous as Nick siphoning morphine while an old man writhes in pain above (which would have made things worse if he died).
There are a lot of things I'll give this show shit for, but Madison is not one of them. No way in hell is she as bad as Andrea at her worst (which I believe is what eventually caused the ouster of Glen Mazzara in TWD's third season).
She's gotta set herself up as new Lori.
Zoe
Member
It's not her reaction but Nick's reaction that suggested it to me. He was way too withdrawn after it happened.
Ultra Numb
Member
I think she makes Lori look good.
The Artisan
Member
i thought we were gonna get to that. but then the chase/takeaway shit happened. i didn't expect the episode to end like that so suddenly.
word. if they're trying to be realistic with how the world would end if such an apocalypse were happening (it wouldn't because in reality anyway zombie fiction fucking exists) are they really suggesting that instead of protecting civilians, that they'd take the time to trick the civilians into believing they're in a safe zone all the while the government is experimenting on people?
that's what some of the people in this thread are hypothesizing.
Future PhaZe
Member
Fully unleashed Travis and Madison are going to be dark as shit eventually--just a matter of time.
lol come on
What show are you watching, because it's not this one.
The Artisan
Member
i think it's pretty ridiculous that liza hopped on the truck without talking to her son first.
&& that's part of why now everyone's gonna cling to madison's misconception that this is all liza's doing.
that's one thing i really don't like about these things...misconceptions. like when gabriel was telling that stupid shit to (alexandria's leader, her name escapes at the moment. monroe?)
&& that's part of why now everyone's gonna cling to madison's misconception that this is all liza's doing.
that's one thing i really don't like about these things...misconceptions. like when gabriel was telling that stupid shit to (alexandria's leader, her name escapes at the moment. monroe?)
uncelestial
Member
I think the show is keeping a TWD-like ratio of "hate characters" and "likeable."
Hate: (Selfish/mean and/or jeopardise/slow-down the group)
- Alicia
- Chris
- Ex-wife
Likeable or at least some good some bad:
- Nick (okay, likeable but frustrating/disappointing)
- Daniel (warrior in the making)
- Travis (starting as a dove, going to end up a paranoid zombie war veteran)
- Madison (nurturing and caring towards her kids now, but the darkness is there and she's already starting to crack)
- Ofelia (worries about her family, thinks the military can be trusted now -- in for rude surprises on both fronts)
YMMV on how likeable any of these people are, of course but other than the teenage kids (who make me grind my teeth with everything they do) I'm okay with the cast. I don't expect them to sing and dance and be funny for me given the situation.
One thing I do get frustrated at is making bad calls -- Travis insisting on leaving their neighbor alive created the entire situation with Patrick and possibly even prevented their escape, as Madison altered course to save Patrick. But, I have to set aside those criticisms, because they are still learning. It's only 4 episodes in.
Also, remember that TWD had periods where not only Lori, Andrea, and Shane were in the cast at the same time, but Shane and Andrea actually hooked up. Ew. And that's not even counting the villains they were fighting, which we don't even have yet in Fear.
It's always been sort of a hate-watch show -- in fact, your dislike of a character is usually a pretty good indicator that they plan to kill them. I think they bring people like that into the fold on purpose.
Hate: (Selfish/mean and/or jeopardise/slow-down the group)
- Alicia
- Chris
- Ex-wife
Likeable or at least some good some bad:
- Nick (okay, likeable but frustrating/disappointing)
- Daniel (warrior in the making)
- Travis (starting as a dove, going to end up a paranoid zombie war veteran)
- Madison (nurturing and caring towards her kids now, but the darkness is there and she's already starting to crack)
- Ofelia (worries about her family, thinks the military can be trusted now -- in for rude surprises on both fronts)
YMMV on how likeable any of these people are, of course but other than the teenage kids (who make me grind my teeth with everything they do) I'm okay with the cast. I don't expect them to sing and dance and be funny for me given the situation.
One thing I do get frustrated at is making bad calls -- Travis insisting on leaving their neighbor alive created the entire situation with Patrick and possibly even prevented their escape, as Madison altered course to save Patrick. But, I have to set aside those criticisms, because they are still learning. It's only 4 episodes in.
Also, remember that TWD had periods where not only Lori, Andrea, and Shane were in the cast at the same time, but Shane and Andrea actually hooked up. Ew. And that's not even counting the villains they were fighting, which we don't even have yet in Fear.
It's always been sort of a hate-watch show -- in fact, your dislike of a character is usually a pretty good indicator that they plan to kill them. I think they bring people like that into the fold on purpose.
The Artisan
Member
nick isn't the least bit likable in any way shape or form after the shit he pulled in the last episode.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
It would be really cool if this show established an Enclave of the US government existing on the West Coast that the Greater Alexandria-Hilltop Community is unaware of.
I gave myself a cool idea for the comics (spoilers for current issues).
I gave myself a cool idea for the comics (spoilers for current issues).
What if all of this bolstering and preparations for war against the Whisperers is for naught because on the eve of battle the Whisperers are wiped out by a force arriving from the west claiming to be the US government?
I'll be in my vault.
uncelestial
Member
Yeah that was pretty bad, but there is still something interesting/sympathetic/tragic about him, to me. YMMV of course. I don't think you need to condone everything a character does to be invested in their story and hope they turn out okay. Source: I watched The Sopranos.
The Artisan
Member
i'm not sympathizing with this mothafucker anymore. not after this. but that's just me..
Red Mage
Member
She hasn't even reached Andrea levels of stupid, yet. She shot Darryl and slept with the Governor, so that's a high bar.
The Artisan
Member
Nick deserved the beating and then some.
UberTag
Member
All except for Tobias. That kid was ahead of the curve.
He knew that "normal" was fucked before anyone else.
I think a bunch of people just convinced themselves that Fear "was better" after the first episode or two and refuse to recalibrate their opinions at all or even bother to explain how or why it's better. Frankly, I think Fear is hot garbage and The Walking Dead blows it away in terms of direction, acting, script... just about everything outside of really terrible late season 1 or early season 2 TWD. Hell, the hospital arc in Season 5 was pretty bad and it's still miles better than this.
They could have done a live-action recreation of the Telltale video games and it would have been infinitely better than Fear.
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. Just watching this as a guilty pleasure to pass the time but I'm not expecting much improvement from these final two episodes.
crazyrabbits
Banned
I feel like Tobias is one of two things. Either he's a subversion of the "prepared survivor", or he's a caricature of the fans who watch the show.
He's a smug kid who claims to be prepared for the worst, but when push comes to shove, he can't get the job done. He relied on a dinky penknife (to the point of going back to the school for it, when he could have used any knife from his family's home), and stabbed Artie in the chest instead of the head.
I don't understand why people keep championing him. He was a bit of a wuss, actually.
More_Badass
Member
He didn't go back to school for the knife. He went there to get food, and it lucked out that Madison was there so he was able to get his knife back
Now why they left without taking the food is a question for another day
But he clearly didn't return to the school for the knife
The Artisan
Member
we would know to aim for the head.
crazyrabbits
Banned
Yeah, I still don't understand that scene at all. Why they left without taking the food, or why Tobias went there in the first place when the school was explicitly shown to be locked before Madison arrived.
More_Badass
Member
A locked school is a good place to find medicine and supplies
Yes but they didn't even end up taking most of what they went in for.
Thelonelykoopa
Member
One thing I find weird with the walking dead is the lack of carnivorous animals. A bunch of walking corpses should be easy targets for animals yet they only show live stock and In FTWD the one dog that just decided it was going to let the walker eat it. I understand many animals fear humans and so they would avoid them but their are walkers that sit in place long enough for plants to grow on them.
Really I just want to see the crow like in the intro of walking dead sitting on the shoulder of a walker slowly picking at it while it's wondering around or even cooler a tiger or bear from a zoo escaping and just ripping through groups of walkers just for the sheer badassery. I mean as the dad in "Fear the Walking Dead " says no matter what Nature always wins.
Really I just want to see the crow like in the intro of walking dead sitting on the shoulder of a walker slowly picking at it while it's wondering around or even cooler a tiger or bear from a zoo escaping and just ripping through groups of walkers just for the sheer badassery. I mean as the dad in "Fear the Walking Dead " says no matter what Nature always wins.
The Artisan
Member
lol. agreed
I figured it was because they are dead and most animals wouldn't eat something that is rotting. The moment humans die, they begin to break down. I assumed that animals smelled that and avoided eating or trying to eat them.
Thelonelykoopa
Member
That why I mentioned crows as some animals are fine consuming rotten flesh and I just find it odd(though I understand its budget as they would need to cgi which is the reason the dogs death was off screen) we havent seen many conflicts between animals and zombies but its most likely because the animals are too smart .
When you deconstruct the walkers what you essentially get is a slow almost vegetative state human running off of instincts similar to microorganism with their consumption and reproduction(though through killing instead of self reproduction since than humanity be damned) whos major form of hunting (and group swarming) based off of most likely pheromones and other chemicals (make me wonder if heavy perfume would work similar to rotten flesh in getting around walkers) similar as mentioned before to microorganism (im ignorning the two walkers that used tools as I believe that was the tv producers fault) which all in all makes them dumber than ants and completely insignificant in the animal kingdom.
Still would be cool though
You're surprised tons of people aren't american in tv shows and movies?
It is still early, but FTWD does what TWD doesn't; have some decent inter character dialogue/interaction. Most of the TWD character interaction is philosophical bullshit.
Another thing FTWD does way better is have the character smile and joke. TWD is so grim all the characters are just morose all the time, not very believable, even in the most abhorrent situations people joke and laugh.
TWD is still interesting, it does have some interesting characters and situations and I'll continue to watch it. It fills my zombie niche, but I'm far more invested in FTWD at the moment.
I'm going to keep watching... BUT...
as many have said, character are annoying.
Also, it's hard to "Fear the Walking Dead" when there aren't any walking dead.
They are treating the infected people like mysterious things, like the White Walkers in Game of Thrones.
Except it doesn't work here because:
1) We already have a long running show about the walkers, so we know what they are.
2) The "Walking Dead" is in the title of the show, so we know what they are.
Maybe if this show had happened before The Walking Dead and was called "The Infected". It would be really interesting.
What was wrong with those sick people?
Why didn't they die?
What is the military hiding?
Then in a plot twist we find out "The Infected" is all of humanity.
as many have said, character are annoying.
Also, it's hard to "Fear the Walking Dead" when there aren't any walking dead.
They are treating the infected people like mysterious things, like the White Walkers in Game of Thrones.
Except it doesn't work here because:
1) We already have a long running show about the walkers, so we know what they are.
2) The "Walking Dead" is in the title of the show, so we know what they are.
Maybe if this show had happened before The Walking Dead and was called "The Infected". It would be really interesting.
What was wrong with those sick people?
Why didn't they die?
What is the military hiding?
Then in a plot twist we find out "The Infected" is all of humanity.
More_Badass
Member
Those criticisms are ridiculous
There was a show called Breaking Bad. Does knowing that the show was about the protagonist breaking bad make the show not interesting?
So what if we know what the walkers are? The characters don't and that's what matters. If you can't divorce your knowledge from the character's experience, that's not the show's fault
I'm saying that so far, they are treating the zombies as a big mystery (to both the characters and the audience). That really doesn't work when you're audience has already had years of experience with them. I'm ok with the characters not knowing what they are or how to react.
I think, like me, most people wanted to see how society collapsed. Not 6 people stuck in their house, whining about when the phones are going to work again.
More_Badass
Member
I don't think it's treating it as a mystery to the audience. The daughter not getting replies from her boyfriend, the sirens and general activity on the streets diminishing as the first few episodes progressed, the doctors rushing the guy out of the hospital room...all those things work and heightened because we know what's going on but the characters don't
It's like the original Halloween or The Strangers, where the audience would see the killer in the background or lurking around well before the characters were aware something was wrong
But the show definitely isn't treating it as a mystery for the audience
AngmarsKing701
Member
I'm definitely seeing a lot of people who simply aren't able to divorce what they know about the walkers with what the characters know about the walkers. The characters don't know what's going on. They obviously have encountered enough of the walkers to have an inkling of what's going on, that "you get sick, you die, then you come back and attack people."
This family is a microcosm displaying the breakdown of society. It might not be the full "let's watch a city disintegrate" that some people are looking for, it is consistent with how the show handles these types of things. That is, rather than the grand (and yes, expensive) perspective, they take a small set of people and show how they react/survive in this situation.
But let's take a real life situation (for those of you struggling with "but these characters are stupid!"). Remember the big tsunami in Indonesia in 2004? When the waves receded from the beach, how many people actually went toward the water? Thousands of them. We can sit here in hindsight and say "didn't they know that was a sign of a tsunami and they should be running in the opposite direction?" No, they didn't. They went toward something odd to see what was happening.
So try to take that perspective here. These characters aren't stupid: they simply don't know what is happening and are piecing it together.
This family is a microcosm displaying the breakdown of society. It might not be the full "let's watch a city disintegrate" that some people are looking for, it is consistent with how the show handles these types of things. That is, rather than the grand (and yes, expensive) perspective, they take a small set of people and show how they react/survive in this situation.
But let's take a real life situation (for those of you struggling with "but these characters are stupid!"). Remember the big tsunami in Indonesia in 2004? When the waves receded from the beach, how many people actually went toward the water? Thousands of them. We can sit here in hindsight and say "didn't they know that was a sign of a tsunami and they should be running in the opposite direction?" No, they didn't. They went toward something odd to see what was happening.
So try to take that perspective here. These characters aren't stupid: they simply don't know what is happening and are piecing it together.
I really don't know why so many of y'all are just kneejerk hating on Nick. Despite being a junkie, he's been one of the least useless characters so far. Isn't he the only cast member to score a zombie kill besides Daniel?
That pic fails to recognize that The Strain managed the impressive feat of recasting an annoying son with an even more annoying son.
Thelonelykoopa
Member
The mother killed the principle.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Didn't kill it, just wounded it until it could no longer move.
dantevsninjas
Member
Seriously. I didn't think it'd be possible, but I find myself wishing the old kid would come back.
Marty Chinn
Member
This. I keep trying to say this, but everyone can't seem to divorce the fact that they know way more than the characters. It's arm chair quarterbacking after the play is over. It always amazes me when people complain about something being unrealistic when it's absolutely realistic and the perfection of perfect choices they want is what is unrealistic.
Glorious Ownage
Member
Also, the dad totally reminds me of the Wind Waker Shop Owner.
Oh my god. Yes! I couldn't place it
RatskyWatsky
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Quoting again for maximum exposure.
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