excelsiorlef
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Oh yeah I knew. I hope they don't have long-term plans for Suzuki-gun cause they all looked like total jobbers tonight
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February Wrasslin' |OT| Observe THIS, Brother!
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HashtagLapsed
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Did Suzuki-gun even win a match tonight?
All that build and NYD show, and what now.
All that build and NYD show, and what now.
spindashing
Banned
WTF DID HE JUST CHALLENGE ANIME
excelsiorlef
Member
They won the first... that's it
Only the opening match, against Kushida and a young jobber
excelsiorlef
Member
As soon as Gedo and the towel were taken out of the picture I knew Suzuki was fucked.
Is there a difference between the Tiger Mask we saw earlier and Ibushi Tiger Mask?
Worthintendo
Member
Is the Tiger Mask W thing punishment for Kota for going to WWE for the Cruiserweight. Surely the world yet and push him just as Kota given how much more exposure he got from that.
HashtagLapsed
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spindashing
Banned
Please gif Gedo rubbing his fingers
that's the stuff
that's the stuff
HashtagLapsed
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Yeah. Tiger Mask W is from the new anime and is Ibushi. Tiger Mask tonight is 'just' Tiger Mask.
No, Ibushi wanted to do it because he's crazy. That's what makes Ibushi Ibushi.
excelsiorlef
Member
Ahhh.
Was wondering given Tiger Mask ate a pin tonight so couldn't imagine why he'd be next in line for a shot lol.
Okada literally did fuck all in that match.
Still a great 4 hours but damn that ME was the definition of finish invalidating all that came before.
HashtagLapsed
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Yep. Overall it was a good show.
That ending was fucking stupid though. Suzuki-gun look like jobbers. Who knows what now.
HashtagLapsed
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Agreed about Juice and Goto.
excelsiorlef
Member
They should have just done a straight back and forth match.
The knee work got stupid boring as soon as I realized it was just to set up Okada's one (x3) move out of nowhere comeback finish lol.
I couldn't stand that not once did Okada have difficulty lifting Suzuki. I kean fuck he literally dropped Suzuki's head on his injured knee and acted like it was nothing
HashtagLapsed
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How can Okada ever lose by submission in the future after that.
excelsiorlef
Member
Trent Seven does the lariat better
Is this how they always book Okada btw?
Is this how they always book Okada btw?
spindashing
Banned
I agree but even with the Okada fuckery, I loved the main event too. Goto vs Juice was amazing, though. I almost thought Juice would do it.
Professor Beef
Banned
For the last several shows, according to Data West. And I trust him more than Bootaaay, who is just a filthy Okada stan!
excelsiorlef
Member
His 6* WK 11 match isn't like tonights shit right?
Professor Beef
Banned
There's no ridiculous submission spot, if that's what you mean.
I personally loved it, but felt Omega should've won. Okada "looked strong" but so did Omega.
HashtagLapsed
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No. Okada's booking isnt usually this egregious.
excelsiorlef
Member
Ok good.
Fuck that deadlift German Suplex at the end should have buckled Okada's knee. Instead he does it with ease and tons of power, holds on to it with ease, lifts him back up with ease, Rainmakers hin with ease and pins him with ease..
Stupid stupid stupid
He won't.
excelsiorlef
Member
Higher they are going in the longer the fall lol.
Short term change of direction while Omega rests. They're going to cycle CHAOS Vs Suzuki-gun, Ingobernables and Bullet Club throughout the year.
Worthintendo
Member
Yeah this.
If it had of been a normal match and Okada had of sold the knee more or would have been fine.
I would have been down for it is Okada does the tombstone, his knee gives out after he hits it, just something to add some proper tension.
British Monsoon
Member
Loved that match, honestly surprised so many of you hated it. Okada's selling of his leg WAS excellent, don't let the fact that he went all fighting spirit and worked through the pain invalidate the great work he did in the first half. You just have to listen to the sympathy Okada got from the crowd to see that it worked. The final third was tense as fuck, love the slap exchange and I've got no problem with the finish, even though I was definitely rooting for Suzuki to win.
Pffft, Dato's just a Naito stan. I'm a huge fan of BOTH guys and have no problem with either's position or booking, so I have the objective high ground
Pffft, Dato's just a Naito stan. I'm a huge fan of BOTH guys and have no problem with either's position or booking, so I have the objective high ground
excelsiorlef
Member
I fundamentally disagree that the selling was excellent, he limped around sure but every time he did a power move no problem, dropkick no problem, a powerlift drop wherein Suzuki's head is dropped hard on Okada's fucked up knee no problem...
Once he dropped down from an irish whip every time after that? No problem. His knee was kayfabe fucked going in, Suzuki did nothing but fuck that knee for almost 50 minutes but Okada has the strength to resist a piledriver repeatedly, deadlit Suzuki into a german suplex and while still holding on pick him back up?
This was Super Cena era level booking and selling, put that in MSG and no one would buy it...
It also become hella obvious that Okada was winning once Gedo and the towel was taken out... so that rendered the last what 20 minutes kinda meh....
If they wanted an out of nowhere finish, don't do the despite me knee being fucked for almost an hour I can deadlife german suplex you and pick you up with ease finish. No, do the Diesel/Bret Hart finish, where Okada's knee is so fucked he collapses while in the piledriver position, forcing Suzuki to have to lift him and ala Diesel being kinda cocky about it, up and then bam either rainmaker out of nowhere and Okada falls on top, or small package. That sells the knee puts over the Rainmaker if you go that direction, and makes all the knee work that was you know literally 90% of this match at least be a factor in the finish. Instead the finish basically made 90% of what came before mean fucking squat.
Once he dropped down from an irish whip every time after that? No problem. His knee was kayfabe fucked going in, Suzuki did nothing but fuck that knee for almost 50 minutes but Okada has the strength to resist a piledriver repeatedly, deadlit Suzuki into a german suplex and while still holding on pick him back up?
This was Super Cena era level booking and selling, put that in MSG and no one would buy it...
It also become hella obvious that Okada was winning once Gedo and the towel was taken out... so that rendered the last what 20 minutes kinda meh....
If they wanted an out of nowhere finish, don't do the despite me knee being fucked for almost an hour I can deadlife german suplex you and pick you up with ease finish. No, do the Diesel/Bret Hart finish, where Okada's knee is so fucked he collapses while in the piledriver position, forcing Suzuki to have to lift him and ala Diesel being kinda cocky about it, up and then bam either rainmaker out of nowhere and Okada falls on top, or small package. That sells the knee puts over the Rainmaker if you go that direction, and makes all the knee work that was you know literally 90% of this match at least be a factor in the finish. Instead the finish basically made 90% of what came before mean fucking squat.
TarpitCarnivore
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I really wish NJPW World was modern. Trying to navigate or watch this anywhere but the web is damn near impossible. There's no time stamps in the player, nothing.
TarpitCarnivore
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God bless The Internet Archive
Professor Beef
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Oh Bootaaay, since you're up and also since I just remembwred, I wanted to get your take on probably my favorite match: Undertaker vs Jeff Hardy in a ladder match on Raw in 2002.
HashtagLapsed
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Keep in mind there werent huge amounts of kicking out of finishers and things like that. Suzuko never hit the Gotch Piledriver.
It could have been worse and it was an awesome match outside of the questionable finish.
It just sucka because the build was so good and Suzuki's interviews were batshit. They lost damn near every match so if they are indeed cycling feuds why would LIJ or Bullet Club or whoever be worried about Suzuki-gun after tonight.
It could have been worse and it was an awesome match outside of the questionable finish.
It just sucka because the build was so good and Suzuki's interviews were batshit. They lost damn near every match so if they are indeed cycling feuds why would LIJ or Bullet Club or whoever be worried about Suzuki-gun after tonight.
British Monsoon
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There was a very clear before and after for the selling, the pivotal moment being...Okada getting fired up and showing fighting spirit. So yes, the fighting spirit "excuse".
But it wasn't in MSG, was it? It was in Sapporo, in front of a crowd who reacted in sympathy during the selling portion of the match, then were absolutely red hot for Okada's comeback.
They didn't want to do an out of nowhere finish where Okada just manages to scrape by, they clearly wanted to show the champion's resilience, his passion, his fire, etc. Maybe they milked it too much at the start, but it worked for me.
Not sure I've ever seen it, tbh - 2002 ~ 2005 I barely watched any WWE.
Tana didn't lose to submission when he was champ either. But this main event was disappointing. All that building up Suzuki-gun and they won nothing. I'm pretty sure Suzuki will never win the IWGP belt. This was the best opportunity, he could have won it then next mont at the anniversary show Okada would win it back.
Now the next program is laid out for Okada with Tiger Mask W, then Kenny returns , then probably Naito or Shibata. Suzuki will be out of the title picture, because he is old. At best he'll get a run with the Intercontinental belt.
Now the next program is laid out for Okada with Tiger Mask W, then Kenny returns , then probably Naito or Shibata. Suzuki will be out of the title picture, because he is old. At best he'll get a run with the Intercontinental belt.
British Monsoon
Member
It was always going to be a long shot unless Suzuki signed a contract - I would've loved to see him with the belt tbh, even for only a few weeks or so, just so he could've completed the heavyweight title trifecta.
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
Okada challenged Ibushi?
Be careful out there, Randy the Ram.
I'm in a stable with Professor Beef and Man God now?! Father warned me about falling in with the wrong crowd. His words grow weaker as the days go by, though. If only my brother Menome hadn't started that house fire, maybe things would be different for me...
Oh, Dental Plan, you card!
HashtagLapsed
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I dont think anyone wants to see Suzuki-gun go full NOAH. Its just tonights show was totally at odds with the build + it would be nice to see Suzuki get the trifecta
Sweeney Tom
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Data Was Right