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February Wrasslin' |OT| WrassleGAF. In 2016.

Kornflayx

Member
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This hit me like a ton of bricks.

Get him to be a trainer in NXT. That way he can be part of the next generation and doesn't have to completely abandon what he loves.
 

Fox318

Member
Bray just needs to do something evil.

I mean even last night all he did was have his goons beat up Ryback.

Which everyone else does to get their heat back because the product is overexposed.
 

Mahonay

Banned
Owens is jobbing to Ziggler on Raw
I was totally fine with this past Monday. They're doing some minor rehab with Ziggler's character and Owens reacted appropriately to getting cheated for his loss. Sensible booking compared to what we've seen even between the same two people before.
 

Toki767

Member
I'm glad I got to see one of Bryan's last few matches at Mania 31. Seeing 60K+ people doing the Yes chant was just amazing in person and it's a wonder how WWE missed the boat on making it bigger than it was.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If we ever get a face General Manager character again, Bryan would be perfect for it.

They let Good Guy Glenn do it for like 2 weeks before they had him lose his kayfabe job, which was unfortunate because he was really good at it and it was hilarious.
 

Mahonay

Banned
Bray just needs to do something evil.

I mean even last night all he did was have his goons beat up Ryback.

Which everyone else does to get their heat back because the product is overexposed.
That hot commodity Ryback who's burning up the charts. Those smattering of boos mixed in with silence that he gets every time they send him out now.

No one gets any kind of heat by beating up Ryback.

Thank the gods his feud with Owens was short lived.
 

Sephzilla

Member
I'm glad I got to see one of Bryan's last few matches at Mania 31. Seeing 60K+ people doing the Yes chant was just amazing in person and it's a wonder how WWE missed the boat on making it bigger than it was.

Sadly, by the time WWE got onto the Bryan bandwagon it was too late. It's amazing how long it took them to get behind Bryan considering how massively over he had been for so long. Between WM28-30 Bryan was quite possibly the most over talent WWE has had since Rock.
 

Fox318

Member
Ryback can do fine.

How about Titus getting his heat back from Rose after he won?

Why even have a match if it doesnt matter?
 

Mahonay

Banned
Sadly, by the time WWE got onto the Bryan bandwagon it was too late. It's amazing how long it took them to get behind Bryan considering how massively over he had been for so long. Between WM28-30 Bryan was quite possibly the most over talent WWE has had since Rock.
Their hand was never forced until the live crowds started regularly revolting against the product live on air.
 

Barrage

Member
Owens is jobbing to Ziggler on Raw



This is not how non-competes work. In fact, non-competes are completely unenforceable if they bind you from your job for any significant length of time.

But he's not being bound. He is being paid as per his contract, and the WWE offered him a variety of ways to still be involved in his employer (all non-phyiscal due to Bryan's injury). Bryan refused them.

Read up on Randy Couture's attempt to use retirement to get out of his UFC Contract.
 

Recall

Member
I flew to NYC to see Bryan Danielson in ROH.
I travelled to Liverpool to see Bryan Danielson for ROH.
I bought tickets to my first WWE house show in over a decade just to see Daniel Bryan on the main stage and he was pulled from the event due to injury.

I will certainly miss him.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
In the end, I think WWE was correct to not let this guy wrestle based on the current climate and what they knew. Dude would probably try to die in the ring if they let him. Same reason Kurt Angle isn't setting foot in a ring for any reason other than to collect his ring.
 

orioto

Good Art™
He was important to them. Not to the level his popularity warranted, and there was some revisionist history going on as always, but they always saw him in an upper card spot (their repeated attempts to drop him down to this level can attest to that), which is higher than they see 90% of their roster. They never got behind him as completely as they should, but there is a middle ground between "top guy" and "Zack Ryder".

I think it would be foolish to act as though Bryan didn't change many of the ways they do things, however. Given how resistant the WWE is to change, the influence he did have is pretty significant.

To me Bryan's story is more about how the WWE is so losing touch that they sometimes have to force themselves to do what they didn't want. It's the audience doing the booking. They didn't plan that whole popularity rise. They even tried to let it die i guess. But it didn't so they had to act like it was the plan.

Things changed in the way they sign some indies for sure. But not for how they are out of touch and completely blind to what people really want. Just look at the current situation.
 

Mahonay

Banned
In the end, I think WWE was correct to not let this guy wrestle based on the current climate and what they knew. Dude would probably try to die in the ring if they let him. Same reason Kurt Angle isn't setting foot in a ring for any reason other than to collect his ring.
Lol. Angle is a FAR worse case than D Bry is in several ways. They are not comparable.

Angle has been reaching Big Poppa Pump levels of overall being fucked up physically and mentally.
 

miserable

Member
In the end, I think WWE was correct to not let this guy wrestle based on the current climate and what they knew. Dude would probably try to die in the ring if they let him. Same reason Kurt Angle isn't setting foot in a ring for any reason other than to collect his ring.

people have been saying (joking or not) that Kurt's gonna die in the ring for the past 10 years, yet he's still wrestling in 2016. So let's stop with that regarding Bryan. WWE feared a lawsuit and bad press from a concussion story the most, not that Bryan would actually die in the ring.
 

Recall

Member
people have been saying (joking or not) that Kurt's gonna die in the ring for the past 10 years, yet he's still wrestling in 2016. So let's stop with that regarding Bryan. WWE feared a lawsuit and bad press from a concussion story the most, not that Bryan would actually die in the ring.

We know nothing.

Assumption, speculation and conjecture is all we as observers can offer.

Bryan, his wife, Vince etc know the whats and why, we know nothing.
 

Hex

Banned
I'm not gonna give any grand statements or whatever, but with Bryan gone, my interest in WWE is at an all-time low. I think I might be all worn out after NXT Takeover.

I don't get these statements, not pointing at you honestly but there have been a bunch of these.
Bryan has been gone for a long time.
Most people have known this, and while yes there was hope the reality is that he was gone.
It is not like he was in the ring two months ago or six months ago.
 
Barely had enough time to view Raw this morning so I skipped to the final segment for Bryan and what an emotional viewing it was.
Not much else to say really, loved his sincerity and appreciation during his speech, his natural character shined through even when tackling such heavy subjects.

Some people here need to read The Secret, imo.
See all of Bryan's Gratitude talk? he knows the secret.

I mean, good god, a favourite wrestler of mine for years and years as I watched was Chris Benoit.
Bryan's retiring early in context is much better off.
I tended to describe Bryan to my lapsed wrestling fan friends that Bryan was a bit like Benoit without the brain damage.
In light of these recent discoveries I'm glad he's getting out while he can.

I wish Glenn had been up there.
As did I.
Still I was happy enough that of the few wrestlers Bryan mentioned Kane was one of them.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Lol. Angle is a FAR worse case than D Bry is in several ways. They are not comparable.

Angle has been reaching Big Poppa Pump levels of overall being fucked up physically and mentally.

To clarify, a WWE ring. There's lots of local carnies that will let him take as many bumps as he wants.
 

crpav

Member
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This hit me like a ton of bricks.

Truly hard to see. I can relate but not as such a high level. I love baseball and growing up I enjoyed everything about it from watching to playing. I was never top level varsity quality but put in my fullest and 100% to practice and play at what level I could. I lost a bunch of weight and got contacts before my last year(summer legion baseball) and was excited for my last year. The day we got our uniforms I was finally called in for my turn. Well they sat me down and told me I was cut. They didn't have a B squad that year and only an A team and didn't want my summer to go to waste.

I was at a loss for words and couldn't really think straight. I said "so I don't need to come to practice tomorrow?" A friend waited for me as I needed a ride home. He asked me what number I got. I don't remember what I told him but was some sort of lie sot he didn't know. When I got home I went down to my room with lights off and cried. When my dad came home I cried and told him. He didn't comfort me much that I recall because that is how he is. Not that he didn't care but he just wasn't much for emotions being a military guy. I got over it quickly enough but still think about it from time to time.
 

UberTag

Member
Yes WWE most certainly kept him in a permanent holding pattern, at the same time it was up to him after a certain point to make his character a little fresher as time went on. Modern WWE is all about making art out of the piles of feces creative hands you.
Owens may be stuck in a meaningless promo-free 50/50 angle nobody gives a damn about with Ziggler but he's making the most of it in spite of it all by focusing on being the absolute best heel possible. There is no complacency from a man who happily talks trash about Ziggler's inept standup comedy career while giving him a thorough beating. Dude's leading by example. He's like an expert craftsman demonstrating his skill while surrounded by broken-down machinery that is clearly flawed and doesn't work any more (i.e. the WWE creative apparatus).
 

Ithil

Member
Owens may be stuck in a meaningless promo-free 50/50 angle nobody gives a damn about with Ziggler but he's making the most of it in spite of it all by focusing on being the absolute best heel possible. There is no complacency from a man who happily talks trash about Ziggler's inept standup comedy career while giving him a thorough beating. Dude's leading by example. He's like an expert craftsman demonstrating his skill while surrounded by broken-down machinery that is clearly flawed and doesn't work any more (i.e. the WWE creative apparatus).

That's the biggest reason I love Owens, he's always trying to make whatever he's doing the best it can be, even when working in the extreme restraints of RAW.
 

Mahonay

Banned
Owens may be stuck in a meaningless promo-free 50/50 angle nobody gives a damn about with Ziggler but he's making the most of it in spite of it all by focusing on being the absolute best heel possible. There is no complacency from a man who happily talks trash about Ziggler's inept standup comedy career while giving him a thorough beating. Dude's leading by example. He's like an expert craftsman demonstrating his skill while surrounded by broken-down machinery that is clearly flawed and doesn't work any more (i.e. the WWE creative apparatus).
Couldn't have said it better myself.

"You know what's funnier than you!? EVERYTHING!" as he kicks Ziggler down on the mat.
 

Son Of D

Member
Owens may be stuck in a meaningless promo-free 50/50 angle nobody gives a damn about with Ziggler but he's making the most of it in spite of it all by focusing on being the absolute best heel possible. There is no complacency from a man who happily talks trash about Ziggler's inept standup comedy career while giving him a thorough beating. Dude's leading by example. He's like an expert craftsman demonstrating his skill while surrounded by broken-down machinery that is clearly flawed and doesn't work any more (i.e. the WWE creative apparatus).

Which makes me excited for when/if they ever give him a feud with someone worthwhile.
 

Kaladin

Member
That's the biggest reason I love Owens, he's always trying to make whatever he's doing the best it can be, even when working in the extreme restraints of RAW.

Exactly. That's why I feel like Owens will go far when his time comes. Just last night he was doing everything he could to make another Dolph Ziggler vs Kevin Owens match more entertaining with all the trash talk he did. He plays to his strengths even when the material he's given to work with doesn't.
 

kirblar

Member
Bryan's said that he doesn't think he's a good teacher, and I think we should believe him.

The skillsets for teaching and for high achievement are not the same, and because high achievers rely so heavily on intuition/feel, it can make it very difficult for them to try and teach that to others.
 

UberTag

Member
You know when I suggested earlier to Bronx-Man to check out of wrestling aside from Lucha Underground until NXT Takeover Dallas... I was mistaken.

He ought to check this show out as well. Especially given the match list that's being built and this being ROH's first big show with upgraded production values.
Ishii vs. Goto outside of Japan isn't something you get to see every day.
 

Ithil

Member
Bryan's said that he doesn't think he's a good teacher, and I think we should believe him.

The skillsets for teaching and for high achievement are not the same, and because high achievers rely so heavily on intuition/feel, it can make it very difficult for them to try and teach that to others.

He says that, and I don't doubt he believes it, but all the same he showed great insight and genuine appraisals in the Tough Enough judge role, which was a farce for the other judges mostly. Like he gave them real and practical advice on what they should be considering and working on.
 

Fox318

Member
Just remember friends in the words of Jim Herd:


Wrestling is like a pizza. There aren't evil toppings or good toppings there are just toppings and if you don't work a match in under 30 minutes your PPV is free.
 
I'm glad I stood by your side through this, Maroon. We made it.

Just remember friends in the words of Jim Herd:


Wrestling is like a pizza. There aren't evil toppings or good toppings there are just toppings and if you don't work a match in under 30 minutes your PPV is free.

You did this on National Pizza Day on purpose





<3 love you fox <3 having extra cheese in your honor
 

Cybit

FGC Waterboy
Get him to be a trainer in NXT. That way he can be part of the next generation and doesn't have to completely abandon what he loves.

He doesn't think he's a good teacher, and he's said he doesn't like doing it. I think WWE has offered the trainer position for some time.

But he's not being bound. He is being paid as per his contract, and the WWE offered him a variety of ways to still be involved in his employer (all non-phyiscal due to Bryan's injury). Bryan refused them.

Read up on Randy Couture's attempt to use retirement to get out of his UFC Contract.

Correct. If this were any case of Bryan wanting to work elsewhere; WWE would have just held onto his contract. This is because Bryan found out that the concussion issues were legitimately damaging him long-term; and he doesn't want those long-term issues.

best ryback is the heel one that beats up backstage workers

bring him back, otherwise ryback is dead to me

Anecdote from last night is that Ryback and Bryan had a good cry about the whole retirement thing (since Ryback believed his career was over after his ankle injury).
 

Fox318

Member
Jim Herd wouldn't book Daniel Bryan because he is vegan.

You can't sell a vegan pie, everyone knows they don't draw the same way a non-vegan pie draws.

Plus he would call out Curtis Axel for what he is, the anchovies of wrestling.

Nobody wants anchovies but the only reason its on the menu is so people can't complain if its not on the menu.

Now that Brock is prosciutto of wrestling toppings. A little expensive and you can't have it on every pie but when its there makes for a great pizza.

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A booker we could trust, like a good pizza
 
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