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Fellow Americans, do you realize how much people envy us?

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sflufan

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I simply believe the U.S offers people the best chance at a good life, and a comfortable life.

Except that recent statistical evidence for social mobility fails to support that statement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic_mobility_in_the_United_States

"At least five large studies in recent years have found the United States to be less mobile than comparable nations. A project led by Markus Jantti, an economist at a Swedish university, found that 42 percent of American men raised in the bottom fifth of incomes stay there as adults. That shows a level of persistent disadvantage much higher than in Denmark (25 percent) and Britain (30 percent) — a country famous for its class constraints.[13] Meanwhile, just 8 percent of American men at the bottom rose to the top fifth. That compares with 12 percent of the British and 14 percent of the Danes. Despite frequent references to the United States as a classless society, about 62 percent of Americans (male and female) raised in the top fifth of incomes stay in the top two-fifths, according to research by the Economic Mobility Project of the Pew Charitable Trusts. Similarly, 65 percent born in the bottom fifth stay in the bottom two-fifths."

And that well-known journal of left-wing ideology "The Economist" had this to say:

"...evidence from social scientists suggests that American society is much `stickier` than most Americans assume. ... would-be Horatio Algers are finding it no easier to climb from rags to riches, while the children of the privileged have a greater chance of staying at the top of the social heap. The United States risks calcifying into a European-style class-based society."
 

Boss Man

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This might sound silly, but I do think that we may be the nicest imperialist super power ever. We really should be super assholes, especially right after WWII. Sure, we do plenty of dickish stuff, but we fundamentally want an end where everyone is happy and peaceful. People like to talk about China overtaking us in the future, but I don't know if they realize how horrifying that might be.
 
This might sound silly, but I do think that we may be the nicest imperialist super power ever. We really should be super assholes, especially right after WWII. Sure, we do plenty of dickish stuff, but we fundamentally want an end where everyone is happy and peaceful. People like to talk about China overtaking us in the future, but I don't know if they realize how horrifying that might be.
Agree with this. Although its very difficult to compare with the past and the methods used are entirely different, America really could be a lot more dickish.
 

Stet

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Canada is fascinating in the context of this thread. Canada is almost as American an apple pie, but they are so proud and hate us so much.

9oAZW.jpg

Not sure what an image of cities on the border proves. We don't settle close to the border to be close to the U.S.
 

Dunk#7

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Not sure what an image of cities on the border proves. We don't settle close to the border to be close to the U.S.

It probably has more to do with the weather differences. It is already cold enough at the border so why venture even further north?
 

Redux

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How can America have such a fucked up country right in its backyard? You'd think Mexico would be USA's little rich producing brother.
 

btkadams

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Canada is fascinating in the context of this thread. Canada is almost as American an apple pie, but they are so proud and hate us so much.

9oAZW.jpg
the culture may seem very similar, because of the dominance of american media in canada, but the political/educational/healthcare/etc systems in place are very different from america.
 

Boss Man

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Not sure what an image of cities on the border proves. We don't settle close to the border to be close to the U.S.
No, but you are...

Canadian culture is American culture with a dash of condescension about how they're totally not American. My opinion of Canada is saved by the country's love for hockey though.

How can America have such a fucked up country right in its backyard? You'd think Mexico would be USA's little rich producing brother.
I think there'd be more of an effort towards making this happen if the U.S. wasn't so...busy already. Mexico is actually a very wealthy country, but it's so incredibly corrupt that the population wouldn't know it. I'm not saying we'd invade Mexico or anything ridiculous like that, but I bet Mexico wouldn't mind some help getting things in order.
 

Hari Seldon

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If it wasn't for the totally corrupt federal government, America would be pretty kick ass all around. This is why we don't have the much cheaper overall universal healthcare of Europe.

But the things that I don't like about the rest of the world:
- Not trusted to own a gun
- 2nd tier in terms of entertainment (TV, Videogames, Movies)

That is pretty much it. I could probably live in any first world country, but it would suck to leave behind my gun collection. I definitely would like to at least temporarily.

I could never live in Canada though. It would totally suck to live somewhere with no hope of winning the stanley cup.
 

abuC

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Im American, and I don't see why any of the first world nations would envy us, it can't be our sparkling healthcare system.
 

abuC

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How can America have such a fucked up country right in its backyard? You'd think Mexico would be USA's little rich producing brother.



You should really be asking how America could have such a fucked up city as Detroit inside of it, it's bordering on Escape from NY levels of terribleness.
 
I've never wished to live anywhere else than Sweden, my homeland.

I would probably only move to any other country if I got a great job-offer like at 343, Valve etc.

Otherwise, I have no reasons to leave this fantastic country.
 

LevelNth

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Meh, I simply cannot be envious of a country that spends more money to kill citizens of other countries than it does to educate and keep healthy the citizens of its' own.
 
You know, I'd be really interested in seeing where the US would slot in all these quality of life rankings if you just looked at the West coast and North east. The south and the mid-west really drag us down in that respect.
 

Dunk#7

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Agree with this. Although its very difficult to compare with the past and the methods used are entirely different, America really could be a lot more dickish.

Maybe I am completely wrong with this thought, but the US is usually tying to help and keep peace across the globe. Sometimes we go too far with this and end up where we are not welcome, but for the most part we have good intentions.

Some of the countries the US has helped in the past turn around and hate us in the future which is a tough concept for me to grasp.

This is coming from a US born and raised mindset so I may be way off with these thoughts, but I like to think our government has good intentions in mind. I feel like the vast majority of people in the world want peace and happiness so it is frustrating seeing so many wars waged when the common individual would desire the opposite.
 
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Vilix

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The one thing I will say for the UK is that the green flag is out no matter what the weather is. We only race when the sun is out, and in a boring oval. Pfft.
 

GCX

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You know, I'd be really interested in seeing where the US would rank if you just looked at the West coast and North east. The south and the mid-west really drag us down in that respect.
But then we should remove the "bad areas" of other countries too from the ranking.
 
Canada is fascinating in the context of this thread. Canada is almost as American an apple pie, but they are so proud and hate us so much.

9oAZW.jpg

It is more to do with temperature as well as availability of infrastructure.

No one in Canada really hates the US. They might say that but if you dig deeper it'll be due to a dumb reason like Hockey, timber trade, or the fact that the country has a global impact and power that people feel is being wielded poorly. That isn't hatred, it is annoyance because those factors don't directly impact day to day life.

I'm Canadian and I've been to the US on many occasions. I've never once had a problem anywhere, have always had good experiences and have met all kinds of great people.

I've also travelled far into Europe and had the same experience. However, like this guy in England waxing poetic about the US, it is only because he is so familiar with his usual surroundings that he lusts to go elsewhere. Familiarity breeds contempt. I could easily see myself living in Paris, Prague, Vienna, or Bratislava.

In this day and age everyone in the developed world has near instant access to anothers media culture. It almost doesn't matter where you are, you can get american anything. The only thing you can't get is the landscape and people. I'd argue that people in first world nations are pretty well interchangeable, and beautiful landscape can be found anywhere if you have an appreciation for it.
 

Boss Man

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It is more to do with temperature as well as availability of infrastructure.
I know this. ._.
I don't think Canadians just want to be close to the U.S. so they can see our celebrities or something. Still, despite its size, Canada as a civilization is really close in proximity and culture to the U.S.

Good post by the way.
Not being sarcastic.


You know, I'd be really interested in seeing where the US would rank if you just looked at the West coast and North east. The south and the mid-west really drag us down in that respect.
Eh, that's kind of missing the point. The country is pretty united, despite glaring differences. Without the South's interest in weapons, for instance, the Northeast might not even be part of the U.S.
 

diddles

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haha what's funny are all the unemployed foreigners in this thread saying how they don't like the US because of no public health insurance. well guess what? we don't want your unemployed leechy asses here anyways. remain in your sub par regions enjoying your free sub par healthcare. for us employable US citizens, it ain't a problem and life is tip top old chap!

Canada is fascinating in the context of this thread. Canada is almost as American an apple pie, but they are so proud and hate us so much.

Canada is this bizarre little microcosm that's a direct byproduct of US culture and security. It could never exist if it were anywhere else in the world; it would have been conquered and eradicated long ago. Only because it's bordering on the US is it somewhat tenable and secure as some sort of nation. Sort of like a lamprey that won't stop complaining about the shark it's attached to... good luck on your own buddy.
 

Regulus Tera

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How can America have such a fucked up country right in its backyard? You'd think Mexico would be USA's little rich producing brother.
something something USA government providing guns to the narcos something something USA being the major consumer of narcotics something something
 

Redux

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Whats the deal with you folks in Scandinavia? Always hearing about some city being attacked. Reports say Islam is bad, that America is good and Obama is too weak.
 

Ramblin

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I fucking love England. There are certain things which are just brilliant about the country, there's a lot of things which I am proud of. I know it doesnlt make sense for me to be proud of coming from the same country as the likes of Newton, Darwin, Shakespeare, Rowling, Dickens etc. I don't even like The Beatles, but I'm proud of the influence they've had on entertainment culture for the last 40+ years.

I love the variety of food I can find within 10 minutes. I love the array of cultures and races I can bump into on my high street. I love driving through the countryside. I appreciate our legal system for getting it right 99% of the time, and I love the country-wide knowledge that 99% still isn't enough. I love the fact that we have no death penalty, or 3-strike rule. I love that football is our national game. I love the ideals behind our political systems, even if I don't like most of the people within it.

I love the NHS. I love the England team in all sports, even though the football team is full of people I don't like for 11 months of the year. I was ecstatic when we found out we were hosting the Olympics, even though it'll cost us a shitload of money. I was devestated when we recieved barely any votes to host the 2018 World Cup. I love the National Trust. I love the RSPCA. I love the fact that we have days dedicated to Children in Need and Comic Relief. I love the fact that I'm completely free to worship whatever God I choose. I love the fact that I'm free to worship nothing.

I love that my forefathers had a role in both World Wars, and I'm damn proud to say that we fought Fascism with every ounce of the country's strength. I love the BBC, and fuck you if you want rid of it. I love regional accents, even if a few of them are a bit annoying. I love the way that the British (English at least) love complaining about everything, but will defend the country to the hilt if a foreigner criticises the place (vaguely racist as that sounds) I love the way that we embrace certain parts of other cultures without suffocating the unique feeling of Englishness that you get when walking around a village.

I absolutely adore England. But I'm not so arrogant as to think that anybody should be jealous of us.

I would love for a Canadian to write something comparable to this. I'm not sure we're that passionate.
 
But then we should remove the "bad areas" of other countries too from the ranking.

I don't think you get the vast disparity of US regions that you do in Western European countries. Much more homogeneous over there. I can pretty much guarantee you that as a New Yorker I have more in common with someone from London than I do some good 'ol boy from Georgia.
 
I don't think you get the vast disparity of US regions that you do in Western European countries. Much more homogeneous over there. I can pretty much guarantee you that as a New Yorker I have more in common with someone from London than I do some good 'ol boy from Georgia.

Its not enough to say London or New York even. There's regions within regions with regions, especially with those 2 cities :D

Brixton=Brooklyn
Canary Wharf=Manhattan

Not an exact comparison obviously, but you get my meaning
 

Zekes!

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I would love for a Canadian to write something comparable to this. I'm not sure we're that passionate.

Yeah, I'm proud to be Canadian, but I'm not really passionate about the whole thing. I don't even like hockey!

Canada's a great country, but I don't think we're as great as we could potentially be.
 

Arjen

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haha what's funny are all the unemployed foreigners in this thread saying how they don't like the US because of no public health insurance. well guess what? we don't want your unemployed leechy asses here anyways. remain in your sub par regions enjoying your free sub par healthcare. for us employable US citizens, it ain't a problem and life is tip top old chap!



Canada is this bizarre little microcosm that's a direct byproduct of US culture and security. It could never exist if it were anywhere else in the world; it would have been conquered and eradicated long ago. Only because it's bordering on the US is it somewhat tenable and secure as some sort of nation. Sort of like a lamprey that won't stop complaining about the shark it's attached to... good luck on your own buddy.

You sound like a swell guy.
 

Boss Man

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England does seem awesome. You definitely can't deny the impact they've had considering their size (or even not considering it). Hell, they held off the Nazis all on their own for a really long time, didn't they? I've also always thought the idea of Britain, surrounded by water and focused on naval supremacy was really neat. It's just such a straight-forward thing, and it knows its identity so well. It's like this island that's different because it's separate, and it knows this and relishes in it. I don't know how much English people relate to Britain or the U.K. as a whole though.
 

Regulus Tera

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haha what's funny are all the unemployed foreigners in this thread saying how they don't like the US because of no public health insurance. well guess what? we don't want your unemployed leechy asses here anyways. remain in your sub par regions enjoying your free sub par healthcare. for us employable US citizens, it ain't a problem and life is tip top old chap!

Canada is this bizarre little microcosm that's a direct byproduct of US culture and security. It could never exist if it were anywhere else in the world; it would have been conquered and eradicated long ago. Only because it's bordering on the US is it somewhat tenable and secure as some sort of nation. Sort of like a lamprey that won't stop complaining about the shark it's attached to... good luck on your own buddy.
Are you jenga's alternate account?
 

WARCOCK

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haha what's funny are all the unemployed foreigners in this thread saying how they don't like the US because of no public health insurance. well guess what? we don't want your unemployed leechy asses here anyways. remain in your sub par regions enjoying your free sub par healthcare. for us employable US citizens, it ain't a problem and life is tip top old chap!



Canada is this bizarre little microcosm that's a direct byproduct of US culture and security. It could never exist if it were anywhere else in the world; it would have been conquered and eradicated long ago. Only because it's bordering on the US is it somewhat tenable and secure as some sort of nation. Sort of like a lamprey that won't stop complaining about the shark it's attached to... good luck on your own buddy.

Make me, fuck face. Leech what exactly, the non-existent public healthcare system and lifelong back-breaking loans ? What exactly am i leeching here, debt accumulation?
 
England does seem awesome. You definitely can't deny the impact they've had considering their size (or even not considering it). Hell, they held off the Nazis all on their own for a really long time, didn't they? I've also always thought the idea of Britain, surrounded by water and focused on naval supremacy was really neat. I don't know how much English people relate to Britain or the U.K. as a whole though.

We most definitely did not hold the Nazis off on our own, and it does a disservice to those who helped throughout the war. The Russians especially who to be honest probably did more for the war effort in terms of keeping them from spreading and thinning their numbers.
 

Loofy

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Everyone envys american culture, thats pretty much it though. A friend of mine moved to the bay area awhile ago. He has dual canadian/american citizenship and he owns a liquor store here and there.
He says he 'needs' to have a gun, in the store and in the home in the states. Its just more fucked up there even though he says hes in an upper middleclass neighbourhood. Which is weird cause he says theres at least twice as many cops patrolling around. Public education is useless, his nephews have to go to charter schools. When he needs to go to the doctor, he waits until he gets back to canada if it isnt urgent.
The only thing he really likes about california. It has nice weather.
 

Fixed1979

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I would love for a Canadian to write something comparable to this. I'm not sure we're that passionate.

I fucking love Canada. There are certain things which are just brilliant about the country, there's a lot of things which I am proud of. I know it doesnlt make sense for me to be proud of coming from the same country as the likes of Naismith, Cohen, Attwood, Gosling, etc. I don't even like Rush, but I'm proud of the influence they've had on entertainment culture for the last 40+ years.

I love the variety of food I can find within 10 minutes. I love the array of cultures and races I can bump into on my high street. I love driving through the countryside. I appreciate our legal system for getting it right 99% of the time, and I love the country-wide knowledge that 99% still isn't enough. I love the fact that we have no death penalty, or 3-strike rule. I love that hockey is our national game. I love the ideals behind our political systems, even if I don't like most of the people within it.

I love the CHA. I love the Canadian team in all sports, . I was ecstatic when we found out we were hosting the Olympics, even though it'll cost us a shitload of money. I love the HCF. I love the RSPCA. I love the fact that I'm completely free to worship whatever God I choose. I love the fact that I'm free to worship nothing.

I love that my forefathers had a role in both World Wars, and I'm damn proud to say that we fought Fascism with every ounce of the country's strength. I love the CBC, and fuck you if you want rid of it. I love regional accents, even if a few of them are a bit annoying. I love the way that the Canadians(Quebec at least) love complaining about everything, but will defend the country to the hilt if a foreigner criticises the place (vaguely racist as that sounds) I love the way that we embrace certain parts of other cultures without suffocating the unique feeling of Candianess that you get when walking around a city.

I absolutely adore Canada. But I'm not so arrogant as to think that anybody should be jealous of us.
 

Boss Man

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We most definitely did not hold the Nazis off on our own, and it does a disservice to those who helped throughout the war. The Russians especially who to be honest probably did more for the war effort in terms of keeping them from spreading and thinning their numbers.
I was definitely not talking about the entire war, but specifically about the Battle of Britain. I could still be wrong though. Either way, it's impressive.


I fucking love Canada. There are certain things which are just brilliant about the country, there's a lot of things which I am proud of. I know it doesnlt make sense for me to be proud of coming from the same country as the likes of Naismith, Cohen, Attwood, Gosling, etc. I don't even like Rush, but I'm proud of the influence they've had on entertainment culture for the last 40+ years.

I love the variety of food I can find within 10 minutes. I love the array of cultures and races I can bump into on my high street. I love driving through the countryside. I appreciate our legal system for getting it right 99% of the time, and I love the country-wide knowledge that 99% still isn't enough. I love the fact that we have no death penalty, or 3-strike rule. I love that hockey is our national game. I love the ideals behind our political systems, even if I don't like most of the people within it.

I love the CHA. I love the Canadian team in all sports, . I was ecstatic when we found out we were hosting the Olympics, even though it'll cost us a shitload of money. I love the HCF. I love the RSPCA. I love the fact that I'm completely free to worship whatever God I choose. I love the fact that I'm free to worship nothing.

I love that my forefathers had a role in both World Wars, and I'm damn proud to say that we fought Fascism with every ounce of the country's strength. I love the CBC, and fuck you if you want rid of it. I love regional accents, even if a few of them are a bit annoying. I love the way that the Canadians(Quebec at least) love complaining about everything, but will defend the country to the hilt if a foreigner criticises the place (vaguely racist as that sounds) I love the way that we embrace certain parts of other cultures without suffocating the unique feeling of Candianess that you get when walking around a city.

I absolutely adore Canada. But I'm not so arrogant as to think that anybody should be jealous of us.
10/10 on the effort, what you have done has been seen. It doesn't really make the case very well though lol.
 
haha what's funny are all the unemployed foreigners in this thread saying how they don't like the US because of no public health insurance. well guess what? we don't want your unemployed leechy asses here anyways. remain in your sub par regions enjoying your free sub par healthcare. for us employable US citizens, it ain't a problem and life is tip top old chap!



Canada is this bizarre little microcosm that's a direct byproduct of US culture and security. It could never exist if it were anywhere else in the world; it would have been conquered and eradicated long ago. Only because it's bordering on the US is it somewhat tenable and secure as some sort of nation. Sort of like a lamprey that won't stop complaining about the shark it's attached to... good luck on your own buddy.

These threads are great for beefing up your ignore list.
 
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