Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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My stupid ass wants to drive over to Ferguson and watch this, I don't want to get beat up by cops for 'Jay Walking'. I wonder if they're going to shut off I-70 entrances to parts near Ferguson. They shut off Florissant the last time things got heated.
 
If the majority took over Ferguson, they could actually mandate that police cannot have firearms. There's no requirement/law in the US that forces police to carry guns.

That's the only way things will change. Forcibly disarm the police.
 
This new shooting is in south St. Louis (in the city limits). About a mile from where I live, this is going to get interesting for sure.
 
http://FergusonOctober.com/
http://twitter.com/fergusonoctober
http://www.facebook.com/events/1489912934597557/

Ferguson October

Droves of people, many of them young and black, took to the streets of Ferguson to demand justice for Mike Brown. Millions stood in solidarity as protestors were met by a brutal and militarized response by local police departments.

Our country can no longer deny the epidemic of police violence facing Black and Brown communities. Mike Brown is now part of a long list of people like John Crawford, Ezell Ford, Eric Garner, Oscar Grant and countless others who have been unjustly killed by police. Their lives mattered.

Join Hands Up United, Organization for Black Struggle, Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment and our partners in Ferguson from October 10-13th for a weekend of resistance. We’re hosting a series of public events—marches, convenings and panels— to build momentum for a nationwide movement against police violence.
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Interview with three of the St Louis Symphony flashmob organizers [Shaun King, DailyKos]

Can you tell me about how the idea for the protest came about?

Sarah: The symphony has held benefit concerts for Ferguson. These are artists. Artists have responded to this movement from the beginning. I went to Elizabeth Vega with the idea and we found that Brahms Requiem would play in mere weeks. We melted in our chairs at the sheer beauty of that connection. She said, "Requiem for Mike Brown!" She immediately contacted Derek Laney and then artist Jelani Brown (who designed the banners) and we began bouncing ideas around. We wanted to try something that might possibly be persuasive. That's when the idea for the rain of confetti heart invitations was hatched. And then we came to the realization that we could disrupt without interrupting if we tuned things well.

Elizabeth: Two weeks ago, Sarah and I participated in a direct action at Cardinal Stadium. We did a series of banner drops at a baseball game with folks. We are both middle aged (I am a grandmother) and I am brown and Sarah is white. People were incredibly rude and racist to us at the game. They booed us. Told us "Pants up don't loot" etc.. They clearly saw what they wanted to see. We were escorted out in handcuffs and chanted "No justice! No Peace!" It was a rough night where we didn't feel any love. Sarah suggested that night, jokingly, that perhaps we needed another venue. The next day she said she wanted to do an action at the symphony. I was on board and immediately brought on Derek. When we found out the next performance was a requiem we had to do it. It took us about two weeks among planning other actions and events for the national mobilization. We are all very busy but carved out about five hours total to recruit, plan and organize.
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Fiction said:
Any live streams going on right now?
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I haven't looked. Just following along on twitter.

Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 2m2 minutes ago

An officer getting his eyes washed out after getting mace in them. I've only seen officers with mace. #VonderritMyers
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Here's a Vine of the stand off.

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/A0...p4?versionId=ij6uuNg5Bj.xjHzaHDfKaly415LaNZUo
 
Bowler said:
Wut?
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If they're that bad, then it would be safer if the police didn't carry lethal weapons except in special circumstances. (I'd allow a few higher-level cops to carry guns who can be called into situations , but beat cops wouldn't have the right to firearms)

See what happens.
 
El Odio said:
Geez, I knew protests were picking up again in the area but the police have reverted back to arresting everyone again?
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Well they are literally rushing the Police lines protecting the Police Hq. Saying that, someone needs to send the message that the issue hasn't been forgotten.
 
I wonder if that court ruling has anything to do with arrests. The one that said police aren't allowed to move people on or keep them moving, so they are just arresting everyone instead.
 
freddy said:
I wonder if that court ruling has anything to do with arrests. The one that said police aren't allowed to move people on or keep them moving, so they are just arresting everyone instead.
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Let's not pretend the popo in Ferguson give a single fuck about legality. Or do I need to remind you that they took off their badges and nametags?
 
To be me that article looks like to be the one that finally brings closure on this whole thing and we can move on:
WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.
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I think that new evidence is going to make it very hard for any indictment of Wilson to happen.

Separate federal and local investigations are still ongoing, but the government officials said the evidence so far does not indicate that the officer violated any civil rights, The Times reported.
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The blood in the car is not unexpected, considering a few witnesses said there was a struggle there. The blood on the gun is a bit more interesting. still, I think the GJ will hang their hats on these facts, no bill this case and go home and not sweat it. Its pretty easy if you are inclined to be pro-law enforcement to take these facts and weigh them completely against Brown and call it a day.

Personally, I think a jury/public should hear the full facts in open court, but I guess that will have to wait for the civil lawsuit, you have to be pessimistic about an indictment right now.

I think its pretty telling that the officer's version was told to investigators 2 months ago but we are just hearing about it now, via leaks, buried on the old weekend news cycle.
 
Lime said:
Or, i dont know, a warning shot? Or a shot to the leg. Or just one bullet mid-center? But no, this is 7 bullets followed by 2 more. This is way too over-excessive and borders on pathologic behavior.
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So this is your "expert" opinion eh lime, since your so well versed in identifying pathological behaviour.

Ever heard of heat of the moment? Duress? After being physically attacked would you be level headed enough to expertly aim a weapon to ensure you incapacitated an individual without killing them?

Shooting a person in any of the areas you suggested can be as lethal as shooting for the head, there are major arteries in the leg and vital organs in the center of the body which if damaged can lead to a quick death.

I'm not saying that the office was right to shoot brown but lets wait for the all of the facts before we decide whether he is guilty or innocent
 
CrimsonCommie said:
More info about Wilson's testimony
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html?referrer=

I don't really see how his account would help him that much since he still chased after and murdered him while he was surrendering. After Brown fled he no longer had a reasonable fear for his safety no matter what happened at the car. This is first degree murder but he still won't go to trial even though there is plenty of evidence to charge him.
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All this article expresses to me is that a jury trial really needs to happen. He needs to be arrested and brought to trial.

There's NO WAY this same story happens to two non law enforcement indiviuals and they let the living person walk without a trial. Even George Zimmerman had to AT LEAST go to trial (yes I'm aware that it was only have national pressure that he had to go to trial).

Did Mike Brown's friend Doran Johnson say that they fought or had some scuffle at the car?
 
I can't see him being charged now. Even if he shot him running away it could be argued by defence lawyers that the officer thought he was a serious threat to the public given the assault and attempt to grab the weapon in the car.

I still think shooting him as he was running away was bullshit and I really want to hear why shots are being fired when someone is surrendering. Somehow I don't think it will come out.
 
DasMack said:
So this is your "expert" opinion eh lime, since your so well versed in identifying pathological behaviour.

Ever heard of heat of the moment? Duress? After being physically attacked would you be level headed enough to expertly aim a weapon to ensure you incapacitated an individual without killing them?

Shooting a person in any of the areas you suggested can be as lethal as shooting for the head, there are major arteries in the leg and vital organs in the center of the body which if damaged can lead to a quick death.

I'm not saying that the office was right to shoot brown but lets wait for the all of the facts before we decide whether he is guilty or innocent
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It's cute that you think that the facts will come out while people still care.
 
Everyone is going to ignore the fact that his blood was on the gun and inside the car anyway. The officer is guilty in the eyes of the public thanks to the media and celebrities jumping the gun before all the facts were out.
 
freddy said:
I can't see him being charged now. Even if he shot him running away it could be argued by defence lawyers that the officer thought he was a serious threat to the public given the assault and attempt to grab the weapon in the car.

I still think shooting him as he was running away was bullshit and I really want to hear why shots are being fired when someone is surrendering. Somehow I don't think it will come out.
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This would be reason to change the broken law.
 
Van Owen said:
Everyone is going to ignore the fact that his blood was on the gun and inside the car anyway. The officer is guilty in the eyes of the public thanks to the media and celebrities jumping the gun before all the facts were out.
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reasonable that my blood can get on you if you shoot me from close range.
 
Van Owen said:
Everyone is going to ignore the fact that his blood was on the gun and inside the car anyway. The officer is guilty in the eyes of the public thanks to the media and celebrities jumping the gun before all the facts were out.
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Wasn't like most of the eye witnesses saw roughly the same thing but who can trust those people.
 
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