Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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I thought it would've happened by now. Since they had the family go television telling protesters to not resort to violence, I assumed it was ready to go.

I'd like to think it will happen this weekend.
 
Enron said:
Yeah. The electorate is either right or left and swing voters don't actually exist.

What?

And who said being in the middle of EVERY SINGLE ISSUE
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They don't matter nearly as much as your base does. The base is the reason you either win or lose elections. Your not going to win b/c of swing voters so its silly to be obsessed with them or even pander to them. They are unreliable and not the reason you win or lose elections.
 
Brakke said:
"Verdict" is the wrong word.

It will be ""negative". I hope it's major.
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This is disgusting and a perfect example of someone who is willing to put their own idea of "justice" before actual human lives. My wife and I both work in an area that is supposed to be the focal point of the protests. It is really scary to know that there are people out there with this mindset. I really don't know if I can convey just how disturbing this is to me. Gross.
 
This has been one the most inefficient processes I have ever witnessed - as far as similar stories in developed countries are considered. How can it take so long to just put him on trial? I mean it should be a given when ever someone is killed but why does it take so long?
 
ICKE said:
This has been one the most inefficient processes I have ever witnessed - as far as similar stories in developed countries are considered. How can it take so long to just put him on trial? I mean it should be a given when ever someone is killed but why does it take so long?
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Welcome to the African American Experience.
 
ICKE said:
This has been one the most inefficient processes I have ever witnessed - as far as similar stories in developed countries are considered. How can it take so long to just put him on trial? I mean it should be a given when ever someone is killed but why does it take so long?
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American police get a lot of latitude for justifiable homicides. This cop would've been given that same latitude but the riot was so bad they didn't want to risk announcing it when the anger was so high. They delayed it as long as possible.
 
I apologize if this has already been asked, but regardless of the grand jury decision, does the information and evidence provided to them in their decision making process get released to the public?
 
Court: Judge hasn't agreed to release Ferguson grand jury evidence if no indictment

For months, St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch has promised to seek a court order immediately releasing nearly all evidence before the grand jury in the Michael Brown shooting case if officer Darren Wilson is not indicted.

And he has said that the judge overseeing the grand jury, St. Louis County Circuit Judge Carolyn Whittington, already has agreed to order such release if requested.

But, with the grand jury's decision expected this week, the county court's top administrator on Sunday said no such agreement exists. He said Whittington has not agreed that she will release evidence in the the grand jury review of the Aug. 9 shooting death of the unarmed teenager by the Ferguson police officer.
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McCulloch, who has been a target of critics in the handling of the case, has made clear in interviews that he is committed to taking the rare step of seeking a court order to release most of the testimony and physical evidence if there is no indictment. If Wilson is indicted, there would be a trial and evidence would be made public in the trial.

"There's no probably about it," McCulloch said to KTRS-AM host McGraw Milhaven on Sept. 24. "It will be released ... We've asked the judge to do that and the judge has agreed that she will do that. If there is no indictment, she will authorize the release of the testimony and the physical evidence that was presented to the grand jury.''
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So did McColloch have a dream that he thought was real? That's happened to me before; it's perfectly understandable.
 
Everything about how this case was handled is even more infuriating than the actual incident itself. The community was was absolutely justified in attempting to petition him an alternate prosecutor months ago. By the way, Nixon, thanks for rejecting their request, you've done a wonderful job of demonstrating just how much you care for your constituents.
 
lednerg said:
Court: Judge hasn't agreed to release Ferguson grand jury evidence if no indictment


So did McColloch have a dream that he thought was real? That's happened to me before; it's perfectly understandable.
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Sounds like he oversold his authority on this promise assuming he was actually so adamant about getting almost everything released immediately. The judge is probably going to particularize the release as it is her duty to protect the secrecy of the process where critical.

Pointing to he absence of an order signed by the judge at this point is quite absurd, why would anyone expect that, really?
 
One of the more disturbing things lately has been how prosecutors seem to have so little interest in bringing charges against police officers. You've got this guy, who just tossed everything over to the grand jury instead of making a case. Then you have the Walmart shooting prosecutor, who appeared to be 100% in agreement with that grand jury about not indicting those officers.

Somehow I just can't see them being so unmotivated if it were a normal citizen having shot and killed an unarmed person. If you don't think there should be charges, then don't bring up charges. These cases just seem to be public spectacles to mollify people's anger with no intention to hold anyone accountable from the start.
 
Kettch said:
One of the more disturbing things lately has been how prosecutors seem to have so little interest in bringing charges against police officers. You've got this guy, who just tossed everything over to the grand jury instead of making a case. Then you have the Walmart shooting prosecutor, who appeared to be 100% in agreement with that grand jury about not indicting those officers.

Somehow I just can't see them being so unmotivated if it were a normal citizen having shot and killed an unarmed person. If you don't think there should be charges, then don't bring up charges. These cases just seem to be public spectacles to mollify people's anger with no intention to hold anyone accountable from the start.
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Yeah, people need to realize that grand juries do nothing to add to the credibility of an indication or non-indication. All they can do is aid an investigation and help a prosecutor prepare his case.

A grand jury is not a substitute for a trial and any decision to indict or not is, for all practical purposes, the decision of the prosecutor.
 
Brakke said:
Interesting story from Utah. I'd make a thread but alas, Jr. Figure some of y'all might want to see it.

"Killings by Utah police outpacing gang, drug, child-abuse homicides"

"As the tally of fatal police shootings rises, law enforcement watchdogs say it is time to treat deadly force as a potentially serious public safety problem."

http://www.sltrib.com/news/1842489-155/killings-by-utah-police-outpacing-gang
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Through October, 45 people had been killed by law enforcement officers in Utah since 2010, accounting for 15 percent of all homicides during that period.
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What in the fuck? Jesus.
 
Brakke said:
Interesting story from Utah. I'd make a thread but alas, Jr. Figure some of y'all might want to see it.

"Killings by Utah police outpacing gang, drug, child-abuse homicides"

"As the tally of fatal police shootings rises, law enforcement watchdogs say it is time to treat deadly force as a potentially serious public safety problem."

http://www.sltrib.com/news/1842489-155/killings-by-utah-police-outpacing-gang
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http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=938743

Foxy Fox 39 said:
I want to make that thread but my reputation on gaf has been that of a race baiter. So either a 1 page thread or a 30 page one.
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Can't be worst than my rep. Oh wells.
 
I'm supposed to go to Ferguson for thanksgiving. I wish the GJ would get it over with so I know whether or not to bother. Not terribly keen on the idea of traveling to a war zone for the holidays.
 
acheron_xl said:
I'm supposed to go to Ferguson for thanksgiving. I wish the GJ would get it over with so I know whether or not to bother. Not terribly keen on the idea of traveling to a war zone for the holidays.
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From what I have read on Twitter, the hope and intent is to have the result before Thanksgiving and while kids are not in school.
 
So I guess the open parking lot next to the building I work at in Clayton has been designated as a command center. It's been blocked off and there are dozens of police cars and a few fire trucks parked there. There was a police officer on every level of my parking garage too.
 
Kettch said:
One of the more disturbing things lately has been how prosecutors seem to have so little interest in bringing charges against police officers. You've got this guy, who just tossed everything over to the grand jury instead of making a case. Then you have the Walmart shooting prosecutor, who appeared to be 100% in agreement with that grand jury about not indicting those officers.
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I didn't follow that case all that closely, but wasn't that more the fault of a false report than the officers' actions?

thepotatoman said:
Yeah, people need to realize that grand juries do nothing to add to the credibility of an indication or non-indication. All they can do is aid an investigation and help a prosecutor prepare his case.

A grand jury is not a substitute for a trial and any decision to indict or not is, for all practical purposes, the decision of the prosecutor.
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This is extremely true. The Grand Jury thing reads to me like a big abdication of responsibility. They may still indict, but the fact that he didn't make a clean case and present it to the Grand Judy is a huge dodge.
 
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