Callo Merlose
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border said:
Doc Frankenstein was pretty much the monster's father, so would he not also inherit his name? He's a Frankenstein, The Frankenstein.
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Doc Frankenstein was pretty much the monster's father, so would he not also inherit his name? He's a Frankenstein, The Frankenstein.
flarkminator
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SanjuroTsubaki said:
DUDE YES!
That movie seriously fucks your face. Not as badly or insane as say, Ichi The Killer....
but its definetly bad ass.
Aruarian Reflection
Chauffeur de la gdlk
Drexon said:
It comes out with the super limited edition FFVII: AC set.
watched it now
I liked the first half, was bored during the 2nd half.
The only fight scene I really liked was Tifa's. The one with Cloud vs Arm guy and Sword guy in the first half could have been good if not for shitty editing/cinemetography that makes it hard to follow at times.
The story felt like it had more to it in the first half as well.
I liked the first half, was bored during the 2nd half.
The only fight scene I really liked was Tifa's. The one with Cloud vs Arm guy and Sword guy in the first half could have been good if not for shitty editing/cinemetography that makes it hard to follow at times.
The story felt like it had more to it in the first half as well.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Never enough for me!
DarknessTear
Banned
After seeing the movie I can't say I really want a remake anymore. Maybe a sequel, maybe a whole new game that is better than FFVII.
theREBELins
Banned
Why aren't any of the spinoffs RPGs?
DarknessTear
Banned
Hmm I think one of the recent reviews stated why. Well I think Before Crisis is an RPG. Also it doesn't really matter if they want our money or not. They have the right to make a million spinoffs as long as idiot Final Fantasy fans buy them.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
theREBELins said:
Probably cheaper than a full blown FF game.
The cell phone game never came here, PS1 FFVII is 8 years old, the PSP FFVII was never shown as 2006 was speculated (I'm not holding out for that), the Vincent spin off is still coming....all this and the remake is one damn cocktease.
DarkAngelYuna
Banned
So, would anyone like, want to explain how to get the english subs to work? :lol
C- Warrior
Banned
Deathcraze said:
--Final Fantasy: SPOILERS Within--
Fuck yeah dude. Reno and Rude were awesome.
They had a lot of dialogue. They were 'painted' characters that really fit into their FF7 (the game) persona's. Not lifeless dolts like Cloud.
And they still knew how to kick-some good ass Turk-style.
Question though:
Is Reeve still alive? I thought he was killed off--but then; who was controlling Caith Sith?
As for whether or not I liked the movie, well--it -was- great fan service. As a fan, it's always cool to see the characters come back to life. Did the movie do a good job of keeping the game's theme true to heart...yes, it's not like X-2 where they J-pop the whole damn thing.
And finally, nice closure to Cloud's 'internal struggle'--great way to see finality in the FF7 universe. And Aries and Zack, man--they gotta make a game that stars Zack--a prequal to FF7 I tells ya.
It's a shame Aries and Zack are probably the two most thought-provoked characters (if in message), yet many people who watch the film don't know of Zack's existance (it was sort of a secret in FF7) and what have you.
...the movie should have been 70% story/dialogue and 30% action...however, it felt the other way around.
I will say , why Square Enix didn't use the CG and story already created for Advent Children and wrap a full fledged RPG around it is beyond me. It's obvious the actual story for Avent Children is much longer (and consquently more thought out) but through editing you have to strip away a lot of elements to make it fit within the actual film. Using the CG, characters, and story and creating a 40 or so hour RPG surrounding it would have made this extremley kick ass.
In the end, all I got from watching this was a stronger hunger for Final Fantasy VII-2. Not so much a remake, but a sequal.
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
C- Warrior
Banned
SailorDaravon said:
One of them was Elena, the other looked to be Tseng. Long--straight jet black hair.
But Sephiroth killed Tseng at the Temple of Ancients?
Hmmm...conspiracy >.>
Thinking about it, I only liked Advent Children because it reminded me of the awesome time(s) [as I played the game multiple times] going through FF7.
DarkAngelYuna said:
you must have (lest you have alternative that I cant help you with)
media player classic
vobdubsub
movie file
.ssa english subs file
don't rename any of the files
put movie and .ssa in same directory
open movie file in media player classic
play->filters->vobdubsub->bien xvid ff7
watch movie with english subtitles.
DarkAngelYuna
Banned
Ty, I love you Slayn =)
That Bahamut looks like the dragon in PDO.
If you've followed the movie from the beginning (when it was first unveiled), I don't see how you can be that disappointed. I mean the thing started out as just being a 20 minute feature.
Anyway, the visual and music are great, the fights intense, and all the cast are represented. I didn't really expect that much (a bit more story, maybe), so can't say I'm disappointed. It's pure fanservice.
If you've followed the movie from the beginning (when it was first unveiled), I don't see how you can be that disappointed. I mean the thing started out as just being a 20 minute feature.
Anyway, the visual and music are great, the fights intense, and all the cast are represented. I didn't really expect that much (a bit more story, maybe), so can't say I'm disappointed. It's pure fanservice.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
As a guy who wanted more out of FFVII's ending (which was damn near everybody), does it get the job done of being one huge ass long ending?
C- Warrior
Banned
Actually,
SPOILERS:
it appears Tseng -is- alive
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/adventchildrenshots/snapshot20.jpg
New Question for those who have seen the movie.
What --the hell-- was that one grey wolf?
It showed up in the movie three times and wasn't in the game. And in all instances it was with Aries, and/or where Zack died / where Cloud left the Buster Sword.
The reincarnation of Zack? Hmmm >.>
SPOILERS:
it appears Tseng -is- alive
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/adventchildrenshots/snapshot20.jpg
New Question for those who have seen the movie.
What --the hell-- was that one grey wolf?
It showed up in the movie three times and wasn't in the game. And in all instances it was with Aries, and/or where Zack died / where Cloud left the Buster Sword.
The reincarnation of Zack? Hmmm >.>
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
Anyways, I hope square to reuse those characters in the remake (I don't believe they're not already working on it...)
C- Warrior
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Nightbringer said:
Yeah, you can see how in many instances they could re-use A LOT OF material from the movie to help remake Final Fantasy VII or do a VII-2.
That 'synergy' development would not be wasted at all. And square-enix knows that no amount of Dirge's or Advent's could out-do a FF7 remake.
C- Warrior
Banned
HomerSimpson-Man said:
To answer your question simply...yes.
To answer it in detail with some spoilers:
Yeah.
It resolves the whole shit surrounding Cloud, as 'memory' was a key concept in FF7. Cloud finally lets go of his memories in Advent Children. And is reborn a-new.
Thus he gets rids of his past ties with Jenova, Zack, Aries, and Sephiroth. He can finally start (as the movie suggested) a family with Tifa and Marlene and that other kid with the name that started with a Z.
C- Warrior
Banned
Simo said:
Man, that sucks.
-SPOILERS-
Zack was the bad-ass, now he walks around as a wolf?
But the ending kind of conflicted that, showing Aries and Zack as they were (no pun intended) 'Spirated Away?'
Aruarian Reflection
Chauffeur de la gdlk
Ferrio said:
From the limited Japanese I know, it seems pretty accurate.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
C- Warrior said:
Makes my heart warm in anticaption, but unlike Cloud I can never forget such events, still, sounds like much needed closure after 8 longs years of speculation. But in a way that makes me sad at it being over.
Simo
Member
C- Warrior said:
Well I'm still trying to figure it out to be honest. =/
The wolf seems to be an important symbol for Cloud though as not only does he sport images of it on his clothing and armour but also his bike is named Fenrir, the name of a legendary wolf of mythology where the gods tried to manipulate him and his freedom.
I don't know any Japanese, but I did recognize the phrase "It's been a long time, Cloud" because the same phrase was used at the end of the famous MGS2 trailer (except there it was "It's been a long time, brother!").....so at least that bit was accurate.
Subtitles have no Engrish and the plot mostly makes sense except for
Subtitles have no Engrish and the plot mostly makes sense except for
why the kids suddenly snap out of being zombies and why Kadaj transforms into Sephiroth even though that container was empty a few seconds ago....
Shouta
Member
It's just a SSA by Jasconious (good guy, most of the time) I think. The sub is pretty accurate overall but it is missing a few details and several lines aren't translated (most which aren't very important).
I just finished it myself. I enjoyed a lot and I wasn't a big FF7 fan. The actual story and plot is a bit thin but it really is more of a story about Cloud and a real resolution to eveything he's faced rather than a whole new chapter in the story. So in a lot a regards, this is the ending that we should've seen at the end of the game. So I'm actually quite pleased with this aspect. It's simple, adds more to Cloud's character, and served to keep the movie going.
The CG was pretty damn amazing and at times it was just mindblowing to look at. Some of the details like the gloves and the water landing on it were just so realistic, I almost that it was a real for a minute. The music that accompanies the film is well chosen for the most part too.
I was quite pleased with the action overall. I wished there were a few more shots done slower and farther out to get the full effect but I really didn't have too much of an issue with the editing. I wish we got to see more of the cast in action other than that one huge battle in the middle of the movie but it was adequate. I was kind of hoping to see them bust out some Limit Breaks though. :lol
I just finished it myself. I enjoyed a lot and I wasn't a big FF7 fan. The actual story and plot is a bit thin but it really is more of a story about Cloud and a real resolution to eveything he's faced rather than a whole new chapter in the story. So in a lot a regards, this is the ending that we should've seen at the end of the game. So I'm actually quite pleased with this aspect. It's simple, adds more to Cloud's character, and served to keep the movie going.
The CG was pretty damn amazing and at times it was just mindblowing to look at. Some of the details like the gloves and the water landing on it were just so realistic, I almost that it was a real for a minute. The music that accompanies the film is well chosen for the most part too.
I was quite pleased with the action overall. I wished there were a few more shots done slower and farther out to get the full effect but I really didn't have too much of an issue with the editing. I wish we got to see more of the cast in action other than that one huge battle in the middle of the movie but it was adequate. I was kind of hoping to see them bust out some Limit Breaks though. :lol
Shouta
Member
border said:
I'd assume the kids snapped out of it because Kadaj let up his control on them to focus on everything else. As for Kadaj transforming into Sephiroth, I think it's said that these 3 were just like Sephiroth and that they could someday turn into him (or something like him). So to push this a bit farther, they just use Jenova's head as a catalyst for Kadaj to actually become Sephiroth until Cloud beats the crap out of him. The container wasn't necessarily entirely empty either. He could've just pulled a piece out of there although it's never directly shown.
C- Warrior
Banned
That was probably the uber-fan service part of the movie. The battle between Sephiroth and Cloud.
However, as with many other things--you could rationally explain it (take the term rationally with a grain a salt eh?)
Due to lifestream going all over the place to protect the planet from meteor, many were infected with Jenova Cells. Or, the essence of Sephiroth.
So you -could- say Sephiroth is living within everyone because of all the Jenova cells in those infected. When Kadaj stabbed himself and put more 'cells' into him--he awoke the Sephiroth within.
And from how the movie potrayed it, Cloud never killed Sephiroth, it kind of gave that "nice fight, see you next time bitch" vibe to it. It really gives the Sephiroth is an immortal type feel, and will continue to be immortal as long as Clouds remembers him.
However, as with many other things--you could rationally explain it (take the term rationally with a grain a salt eh?)
Due to lifestream going all over the place to protect the planet from meteor, many were infected with Jenova Cells. Or, the essence of Sephiroth.
So you -could- say Sephiroth is living within everyone because of all the Jenova cells in those infected. When Kadaj stabbed himself and put more 'cells' into him--he awoke the Sephiroth within.
And from how the movie potrayed it, Cloud never killed Sephiroth, it kind of gave that "nice fight, see you next time bitch" vibe to it. It really gives the Sephiroth is an immortal type feel, and will continue to be immortal as long as Clouds remembers him.
Simo
Member
C- Warrior said:
I think the fight was more of an internal struggle than external.
Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo seem to be the only 3 remaining survivors of Hojo's experiments and of Reunion, it seems because of this though that Kadaj was able to absorb Jenova (or what was left her) more easily which in turn caused him to assume the form of Cloud's darkest nightmare and memory-Sephiroth. Similiar to the end of FFVII for that matter. Defeating Sephiroth was for Cloud finally letting go of his memories and receiving closure.
As Sephiroth says at the end: "I...won't be...just a memory..."
As Sephiroth says at the end: "I...won't be...just a memory..."
Just finished a watch of it myself, and my thoughts are somewhat in-line with what has been said, particularly from Shouta. Stunning animation, zero-gravity beatings, and great music to reminisce over.
I was never one that cared for closure to the game, read through a plot analysis, nor put much thought into the fate of Cloud et al; so on that level I felt little attachment to the narrative driving the decadent action. I can't recall much of Jenova other than the namesake, and I had put Zack so far out of mind, I couldn't even link him as being in the movie until you people mentioned it.
I did get a kick out of the cellphone "win!" jingle, and I was ecstatic to see Rufus back in action. I suppose I mostly came at this from a pedestrian angle, confusing, ridiculous, but hard as hell to look away from.
I was never one that cared for closure to the game, read through a plot analysis, nor put much thought into the fate of Cloud et al; so on that level I felt little attachment to the narrative driving the decadent action. I can't recall much of Jenova other than the namesake, and I had put Zack so far out of mind, I couldn't even link him as being in the movie until you people mentioned it.
I did get a kick out of the cellphone "win!" jingle, and I was ecstatic to see Rufus back in action. I suppose I mostly came at this from a pedestrian angle, confusing, ridiculous, but hard as hell to look away from.
Shouta
Member
You really should spoiler tag that stuff C- =p
For the Geostigma, I think it has less to do with the Lifestream going through people as it already flows through the people naturally. When Jenova/Sephiroth's cell infected the Lifestream and its base, it was passed on to others through that means. I believe Vincent says it but the cause of the Geostigma is an after effect of the lifestream trying to purify the body of foreign bodies like the immune system does. In this case, the foriegn body is the Jenova Cells. As a result of this, the body has distortions in the skin like you see on Denzel's head and Cloud's left arm.
As for Kadaj, I think they literally meant that he and the other 2 were like Sephiroth (as in from the same experiment/clone batch) and born from directly from Jenova. Getting that infusion of cells from Jenova just pushed his body to the limit and pushed him to become an incarnation of Sephiroth. So yeah, it kind of pushes the whole idea of Sephiroth being the epitome of corruption through the roof.
The entire fight between Cloud and Sephiroth was a repetition of the end of FF7. Rufus talks about it. The Lifestream works in cycles and that repetition is fated to occur. The same mistakes are bound to occur. In a way, Cloud faced the same thing. He lost that understanding he gained towards the end of FF7 (Tifa explains it towards the beginning of final fight between Kadaj and Cloud), the ability to move on with his life. The events of AC act as way of reminding Cloud of what he learned and that as long as he continues to hold on to the memories of his past, the same things will occur again.
As for the wolf, I wouldn't say it's the reincarnation of Zack but a symbolic creature that represents Cloud. There's that saying that wolves are loners and in the film, it's used to symbolize the emotional distance that Cloud has put himself and Tifa and the others. When he finally realizes at the end that he has a lot to live for and that he wasn't alone in his journey, the wolf disappeared next to him.
of course, that's just me rambling so pay no need unless it really makes sense ;p.
As for Kadaj, I think they literally meant that he and the other 2 were like Sephiroth (as in from the same experiment/clone batch) and born from directly from Jenova. Getting that infusion of cells from Jenova just pushed his body to the limit and pushed him to become an incarnation of Sephiroth. So yeah, it kind of pushes the whole idea of Sephiroth being the epitome of corruption through the roof.
The entire fight between Cloud and Sephiroth was a repetition of the end of FF7. Rufus talks about it. The Lifestream works in cycles and that repetition is fated to occur. The same mistakes are bound to occur. In a way, Cloud faced the same thing. He lost that understanding he gained towards the end of FF7 (Tifa explains it towards the beginning of final fight between Kadaj and Cloud), the ability to move on with his life. The events of AC act as way of reminding Cloud of what he learned and that as long as he continues to hold on to the memories of his past, the same things will occur again.
As for the wolf, I wouldn't say it's the reincarnation of Zack but a symbolic creature that represents Cloud. There's that saying that wolves are loners and in the film, it's used to symbolize the emotional distance that Cloud has put himself and Tifa and the others. When he finally realizes at the end that he has a lot to live for and that he wasn't alone in his journey, the wolf disappeared next to him.
of course, that's just me rambling so pay no need unless it really makes sense ;p.