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[Zaptruder]

The 5 hit combo on Sephiroth at the end was a limit break.

I ordered the Tifa and Sephiroth models (sorry Vincent, clown boots aren't winning me over)... hopefully they'll sell Cloud seperately (outside of the ridiculous 300$ LE pack), and give him the 5 sword or parts of that sword or whatever that damn thing is. It'd be fun to see how it actually worked...

 

[RevenantKioku]

Quick thoughts.
1) It rocked.
2)

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Reno and Rude were fucking hilarious.

3)

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Cellphone victory theme was great. I knew the song was coming, but wasn't sure how they were going to do it.

4) I really want Dirge of Cerebus now, even though it probably won't be half as cool.

 

[C- Warrior]

So I just watched the ending segment again.

Couple things I picked up:

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1) Apparently Sephiroth wanted to use the planet as a sort of vessel/ship to travel across space, and then seemingly find a new planet to inhabit, one more suitable. He states this is what Jenova did. But, I thought Jenova was an ancient. And that ancients were the "first humans" to live on the planet originally. So this is suggesting that ancients were actually an alien race that inhabited a lifeless planet. Thus, implying everyone including Cloud had ancestors that were ancient, which were originally from a different planet...woah.

2) I never 'got' what Aries was praying for in Final Fantasy VII. They said she was praying for Holy, yet Holy never came at the end of FFVII. Lifestream is what saved the planet against the Meteor. However, the thing that cured Geostigma, the rain. Was that Holy? So Aries' prayer finally kicked in--two years later?

3) Oh, to Himuro, who said the fact that how all the FF7 characters showed up all of a sudden during the Bahamut fight scene. There is an explanation for that. When Cloud's cell-phone is in the water you hear Reeve calling through. He says he got word from Reno that something is going down in Midgar. Apparenlty he gets everyone together on the Highwind (version 2) to go there. It seems at the time of the call, they were picking up Yuffie because you can hear Wutai elders talking in the background.

About the wolf thing. Yeah, it seems to be a representation of Cloud, as opposed to Zack.

 

[Zeo]

So I just watched the ending segment again.

Couple things I picked up:

1) Apparently Sephiroth wanted to use the planet as a sort of vessel/ship to travel across space, and then seemingly find a new planet to inhabit, one more suitable. He states this is what Jenova did. But, I thought Jenova was an ancient. And that ancients were the "first humans" to live on the planet originally. So this is suggesting that ancients were actually an alien race that inhabited a lifeless planet. Thus, implying everyone including Cloud had ancestors that were ancient, which were originally from a different planet...woah.

2) I never 'got' what Aries was praying for in Final Fantasy VII. They said she was praying for Holy, yet Holy never came at the end of FFVII. Lifestream is what saved the planet against the Meteor. However, the thing that cured Geostigma, the rain. Was that Holy? So Aries' prayer finally kicked in--two years later?

3) Oh, to Himuro, who said the fact that how all the FF7 characters showed up all of a sudden during the Bahamut fight scene. There is an explanation for that. When Cloud's cell-phone is in the water you hear Reeve calling through. He says he got word from Reno that something is going down in Midgar. Apparenlty he gets everyone together on the Highwind (version 2) to go there. It seems at the time of the call, they were picking up Yuffie because you can hear Wutai elders talking in the background.

About the wolf thing. Yeah, it seems to be a representation of Cloud, as opposed to Zack.

Damn dude, you gotta learn how to spoiler tag.

 

[Sai]

But, I thought Jenova was an ancient. And that ancients were the "first humans" to live on the planet originally.

Jenova wasn't an Ancient/Cetra(?). Jenova came around when they were still around, and eventually destroyed the race.

2) I never 'got' what Aries was praying for in Final Fantasy VII. They said she was praying for Holy, yet Holy never came at the end of FFVII. Lifestream is what saved the planet against the Meteor.

Pretty sure the Lifestream defending the planet was "Holy".

 

[Sai]

Oh

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and if that was Holy, then what the hell? Holy fell all the way to the bottom of the pillar alllllll the way under water. How the HELL could they find it?

Find what? The Materia?

Spell had already been cast, right? Why would they need it?

 

[C- Warrior]

Damn dude, you gotta learn how to spoiler tag.

Dude, I keep trying!

Isn't it like this?

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blah blah blah i like kelly clarkson

 

[C- Warrior]

Oh hey, it -is- like that. I tried doing that before but it wouldn't 'work'

In anycase I figure since people know it's available and the thread is so deep in with discussion that it's basically a plot discussion/analysis thread.

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Ah, that's right. I do recall them saying Jenova wasn't a true Cetra. Even though I played the game like 5 times over, the 5th time was back in the 8th grade. :lol

So the ancients were living on (for sake of saying, let's just call it "EARTH"). And then Jenova, pull a Sephiroth and actually suceeded on another planet and landed on "EARTH"--and basically alien (war of the world-afied) the entire planet.

Interesting.

PS: Those were FF7 spoilers, the game has been out for 8 years--the expiration date for spoiler tags have been long past due.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

So I just watched the ending segment again.

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Couple things I picked up:

1) Apparently Sephiroth wanted to use the planet as a sort of vessel/ship to travel across space, and then seemingly find a new planet to inhabit, one more suitable. He states this is what Jenova did. But, I thought Jenova was an ancient. And that ancients were the "first humans" to live on the planet originally. So this is suggesting that ancients were actually an alien race that inhabited a lifeless planet. Thus, implying everyone including Cloud had ancestors that were ancient, which were originally from a different planet...woah.

2) I never 'got' what Aries was praying for in Final Fantasy VII. They said she was praying for Holy, yet Holy never came at the end of FFVII. Lifestream is what saved the planet against the Meteor. However, the thing that cured Geostigma, the rain. Was that Holy? So Aries' prayer finally kicked in--two years later?

3) Oh, to Himuro, who said the fact that how all the FF7 characters showed up all of a sudden during the Bahamut fight scene. There is an explanation for that. When Cloud's cell-phone is in the water you hear Reeve calling through. He says he got word from Reno that something is going down in Midgar. Apparenlty he gets everyone together on the Highwind (version 2) to go there. It seems at the time of the call, they were picking up Yuffie because you can hear Wutai elders talking in the background.

About the wolf thing. Yeah, it seems to be a representation of Cloud, as opposed to Zack.

SPOILERS MOTHERF*CKER!! DO YOU KNOW IT?!!

 

[Shouta]

You gotta remember that the translation for FF7 was crap so a lot of things might be all jumbled and mixed up.

 

[Spike]

What about Last Order?

 

[Lonestar]

all I know is, I love the throwback to the Turk theme when Reno and Rude

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were talking about setting up teh bombs

:lol :lol

 

[C- Warrior]

all I know is, I love the throwback to the Turk theme when Reno and Rude

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were talking about setting up teh bombs

:lol :lol

Yeah that was great. I can only hope people remember who Reno and Rude are from the game, since their such well-developed characters (comparatively) in Advent (probably the best I'd say)

 

[Simo]

So I just watched the ending segment again.

Couple things I picked up:

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1) Apparently Sephiroth wanted to use the planet as a sort of vessel/ship to travel across space, and then seemingly find a new planet to inhabit, one more suitable. He states this is what Jenova did. But, I thought Jenova was an ancient. And that ancients were the "first humans" to live on the planet originally. So this is suggesting that ancients were actually an alien race that inhabited a lifeless planet. Thus, implying everyone including Cloud had ancestors that were ancient, which were originally from a different planet...woah.

Well the Ancients were more or less an "alien species" as they travelled from planet to planet to stabilise it and allow it and life to grow. IIRC when they got to Gaia/Earth/Whatever planet FFVII is set on, the species kind of split into 2: Humankind that eventually bred and became the sole inhabitants of the planet and the Ancients, the original race that came to the planet and are there solely to help the Planet, not destroy it.

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2) I never 'got' what Aries was praying for in Final Fantasy VII. They said she was praying for Holy, yet Holy never came at the end of FFVII. Lifestream is what saved the planet against the Meteor. However, the thing that cured Geostigma, the rain. Was that Holy? So Aries' prayer finally kicked in--two years later?

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Aeris was praying to the Planet in conjunction with the Materia she had in order to summon 'Holy'. Her prayer reached the Planet but Sephiroth was there at the core, blocking Holy. When Sephiroth was defeated, Holy was able to be summoned but it was too late. By that time Meteor had already arrived and begun it's destruction of the Planet and Holy had the opposite effect. That's why the Planet had to use the Lifestream as a weapon because it was the only choice.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Dammit!! I'm one step away from watching the fansub. When are we supposed to expect the U.S. DVD again?!

 

[Simo]

Dammit!! I'm one step away from watching the fansub. When are we supposed to expect the U.S. DVD again?!

November.

 

[boredJonathan]

Dammit!! I'm one step away from watching the fansub. When are we supposed to expect the U.S. DVD again?!

Do it! I just watched it and... awesome. I definately recommend reading through the story guide up on GameFaq's though before heading in. I had only played VII once way back when, and it definately helped me remember some things.

It is true that the plot is light in overall developement, but it works much better as a conclusion to the actual game than as plot developement.

Very very very good flick if you ask me. Definately want to replay VII for the 2nd time finally.

Definately picking this up though when it hits stateside, be curious to see this in all its digital glory.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

November.

GOOD GOD NO!!

Do it! I just watched it and... awesome. I definately recommend reading through the story guide up on GameFaq's though before heading in. I had only played VII once way back when, and it definately helped me remember some things.

It is true that the plot is light in overall developement, but it works much better as a conclusion to the actual game than as plot developement.

Very very very good flick if you ask me. Definately want to replay VII for the 2nd time finally.

Definately picking this up though when it hits stateside, be curious to see this in all its digital glory.

I'm a weak weak man and you're pushing me over the edge....but I'm going to buy time....maybe replaying FFVII as you said would do the trick.

 

[C- Warrior]

Do it! I just watched it and... awesome. I definately recommend reading through the story guide up on GameFaq's though before heading in. I had only played VII once way back when, and it definately helped me remember some things.

It is true that the plot is light in overall developement, but it works much better as a conclusion to the actual game than as plot developement.

Very very very good flick if you ask me. Definately want to replay VII for the 2nd time finally.

Definately picking this up though when it hits stateside, be curious to see this in all its digital glory.

Statement of the day ladies and gentleman.

 

[Simo]

GOOD GOD NO!!.

Well that's how it stands now but Square could change their mind again and delay it even further. At this point their stance and info on the US release has been a joke from stating they announced no September 13th release for the US to calling BS on 1UP.com's article and release info, only to then backpeddle and say "Release info? Oh just read the latest issue of EGM for more".

Not to mention not getting any of the cool shit the folks in Japan are getting and that's not including the Advent Pieces set.

 

[border]

It is true that the plot is light in overall developement, but it works much better as a conclusion to the actual game than as plot developement.

Well, that doesn't really change the fact that this story could've been told in at least half the time, and the movie is padded with superfluous fight scenes. They should've just decided to have about 4-5 specific fights and made those battles perfect, rather than throwing in 9-10 battles all need polishing.

The Turk stuff didn't really do it for me....they are presented as weak, inconsequential, slapsticky goofballs so it's difficult to build any tension or interest when they spring into action.

 

[Nanta]

After watching this movie..I want to play Before Crisis and Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII so bad..must know more about Reeve and Shion ><

border, if you think there were too much battle scenes..then you obviously never played the actual game :lol A huge amount of time is spent fighting monsters ^_^

 

[Simo]

After watching this movie..I want to play Before Crisis and Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII so bad..must know more about Reeve and Shion ><

border, if you think there were too much battle scenes..then you obviously never played the actual game :lol A huge amount of time is spent fighting monsters ^_^

Shion seems to of been a mistranslation for Tseng. Translated by a Xenosaga fanboy perhaps? :lol

 

[border]

border, if you think there were too much battle scenes..then you obviously never played the actual game :lol A huge amount of time is spent fighting monsters ^_^

Games are different than movies. Just because game players spend a lot of time fighting monsters in random encounters doesn't mean that the film should devote an equal percentage of time to fight sequences.

 

[Zeo]

Games are different than movies. Just because game players spend a lot of time fighting monsters in random encounters doesn't mean that the film should devote an equal percentage of time to fight sequences.

Why not? It works out fine and you get the story perfectly.

Did people ACTUALLY expect this to have more talking scenes than action scenes?

 

[C- Warrior]

Why not? It works out fine and you get the story perfectly.

Did people ACTUALLY expect this to have more talking scenes than action scenes?

Shockingly (as well as sadly) it seems so.

 

[boredJonathan]

Well, that doesn't really change the fact that this story could've been told in at least half the time, and the movie is padded with superfluous fight scenes. They should've just decided to have about 4-5 specific fights and made those battles perfect, rather than throwing in 9-10 battles all need polishing.

Thinking back over it I don't see how many of the battles could have been excerised from the story. Perhaps the very first battle between Cloud and the Three Clones could have been dropped since it really serves little purpose other than for them to find out Cloud doesn't know where Mother/Jenova is. Other than that, it follows a pretty logical pattern of plot leading into fight scene.

Perhaps if they had dropped the whole Cloud going off to

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rescue the kids

, and nixed the extended

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chase for the box o' mother

, but I hardly think they degrade from the overall film. Then again, I did not have a problem with the battles at all. Perhaps a few were too jump cut heavy, but I was always able to follow the action, and it was well done action.

The Turk stuff didn't really do it for me....they are presented as weak, inconsequential, slapsticky goofballs so it's difficult to build any tension or interest when they spring into action.

I had no real problem with them, but I had a helluvatime remembering them from the game. They served more as story stop gap. Instead of having Cloud out looking for

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the kids

, Rude and Reno do. We are given time to have Tifa and Cloud talk out some issues, and then are given the next setup. It works well, and they do provide comic relief.

If you want a character to be cut, cut Cait Sith. I had almost forgot about this character, since I never used him in the game, and his presence in this film does not make me care about him any more.

 

[Sanjuro]

As a sequel to one of my favorite video games of all time, it was fine. Nothing great, entertaining, lacking heavly in character development and pacing.

As a film, can't stand up too well and people who never played the game might as well blow their brains out because they will not comprehend what they are viewing.

Visuals, art, direction, and action sequences are breathtaking though so if you enjoy movies with just action and nothing else you may enjoy alot more than I did. I need the whole package deal as a film critic.

 

[border]

Why not? It works out fine and you get the story perfectly.

Did people ACTUALLY expect this to have more talking scenes than action scenes?

RPG players spend a lot of time equipping characters, too. Does that mean a movie should devote 10-20 minutes to a segment where the main character tries to figure out what sword to use?

I doubt you could name a popular action movie where more time is devoted to the action than the characters and dialogue. T2 probably tops the list of "Best Action Films", and that movie has at least 60 consecutive minutes where pretty much nothing happens. Even hacks like Michael Bay will give more time to narrative than action, because they realize that unless you establish story and characters then people will snooze through even the best aciton setpieces. I think you'd even have a hard time naming any movie with a action:story ratio remotely similar to Advent Children. The LOTR sequels had the story and characters established, but even those films had long sequences devoted to non-action.

 

[Scrow]

three things i've got to say about this movie

1. It was pretty

2. I wish the subtitles were working*

3. I wish I'd played the game


*or that I understood japanese


WTF was this movie about?

T2 probably tops the list of "Best Action Films"

just wanted to chime in with my agreement to that statement. best. action. movie. ever.

 

[Sanjuro]

T2 probably tops the list of "Best Action Films"

I agree as well. As a current example Batman Begins, Nolan did a beautiful job of balancing both and not giving in to the 2Fast2Furious crowd.

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

I think you'd even have a hard time naming any movie with a action:story ratio remotely similar to Advent Children.

AC isn't really supposed to be a movie though. Nomura and others stated multiple times in interviews before its release that they weren't trying to make it flow like a normal movie, that they in fact considered it more of a "collection of clips" than a movie, and that the action sequences were purposely designed to be too fast for most people to follow on first viewing, so you'd have to watch it multiple times or use rewind/slomo to catch everything. The plans were on display, as Mr. Prosser and Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz said.

 

[Shouta]

Shion seems to of been a mistranslation for Tseng. Translated by a Xenosaga fanboy perhaps? :lol

Yeah, I found it funny that Jasc put Shion and not Tseng in the dialogue. It even says Tseng in the credits heh.

 

[C- Warrior]

AC isn't really supposed to be a movie though. Nomura and others stated multiple times in interviews before its release that they weren't trying to make it flow like a normal movie, that they in fact considered it more of a "collection of clips" than a movie, and that the action sequences were purposely designed to be too fast for most people to follow on first viewing, so you'd have to watch it multiple times or use rewind/slomo to catch everything.

That one person said it perfectly, I don't see why we're trying to classify it further.

As a standalone movie Advent Children is far from great, but it is a very satisfying supplament and expansion to the FF7 story in totality.

However given that, you have to actually remember FF7 to enjoy it. So there you have it. I highly suggest you brush up on your FF7-ness before you watch the film. That is all there is to say.

 

[C- Warrior]

Yeah, I found it funny that Jasc put Shion and not Tseng in the dialogue. It even says Tseng in the credits heh.

I was upset that Tseng and Elena didn't have any proper screen-time as they were significant characters in the game.

Especially Elena, in the game--Elena, Rude, and Reno's antics were a perfect trio. Kind of seemed as if you separated the crew by only having Rude and Reno together.

 

[erefen]

FF VII ending question:
I always thought Aerith had something to do with the lifestream coming out at the end. I thought she was planning all along to do that when she decided to pray/sacrifice herself at the city of ancients. If that's not the case why did her mug appear at the very last shot? What's the consensus on this?

 

[Simo]

FF VII ending question:
I always thought Aerith had something to do with the lifestream coming out at the end. I thought she was planning all along to do that when she decided to pray/sacrifice herself at the city of ancients. If that's not the case why did her mug appear at the very last shot? What's the consensus on this?

She never really planned to sacrifice herself but I believe she may of been responsible for having the Planet use the Lifestream to destroy Meteor as since she was the last Ancient, she basically became the 'Mother' for the Planet. This is even more apparent in AC.

 

[C- Warrior]

She's a symbol of hope and success. That is all.

They prevailed at the end of Advent Children.

Now my question is--what caused it to rain holy water lol?

 

[erefen]

huh, interesting. She prayed for Holy, but she died in the process. However, because of her death she was able to become this mother for the planet, as you said? Because had she not died Holy would've just killed of the humans.

 

[Shouta]

Aeris/Aerith's role is more sheer will than becoming of a "mother" of any sorts IMO. With everything that went on, her influenced only showed in the most critical of times. If she had any sort of real power other than that, she'd done things long before then.

 

[Zeo]

She never really planned to sacrifice herself but I believe she may of been responsible for having the Planet use the Lifestream to destroy Meteor as since she was the last Ancient, she basically became the 'Mother' for the Planet. This is even more apparent in AC.

That's probably the best way of looking at it. At least, that's what is always seemed like.

 

[Nanta]

Shion seems to of been a mistranslation for Tseng. Translated by a Xenosaga fanboy perhaps? :lol

Actually I heard there is a Turk by the name of Shion from Before Crisis..so it could be him.

there's two new Turks, too: Verd, a grizzled man with an unknown past, and Shion, the current "leader" of the group

 

[Simo]

Aeris/Aerith's role is more sheer will than becoming of a "mother" of any sorts IMO. With everything that went on, her influenced only showed in the most critical of times. If she had any sort of real power other than that, she'd done things long before then.

Yeah I can go with that. It just seemed like she had more power or influence in AC, what with being able to

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cure Cloud it seemed and also accept Kadaj into the Lifestream.

huh, interesting. She prayed for Holy, but she died in the process. However, because of her death she was able to become this mother for the planet, as you said? Because had she not died Holy would've just killed of the humans.

Holy wouldn't of killed the people anyways because it's effect was nullified by Meteor as it was used too late.

 

[Scrow]

just because...

 

[Optimistic]

Yuck.

 

[Hydro_Alexis]

just because...

wow :lol

Playing computer games for more than half of your life is bad but dressing up like this must certinaly give you a ticket to hell in the afterlife.

 

[Miburou]

Haha, over 360 replies and it's not even in the correct forum.

BTW, amazon.jp started shipping the DVD one day earlier. Is that common in Japan?

And what's with the Ultimania Omega guide for FFVII? Isn't it kind of late to be releasing a guide for the game? Or is it old and amazon are just featuring it prominently because of the movie?

Say what you will about the movie, but shit it sure looks freakin' amazing. And the music is so fitting. I think I'm going to be replaying this over and over just to catch all the visual details.

 

[Aruarian Reflection]

And what's with the Ultimania Omega guide for FFVII? Isn't it kind of late to be releasing a guide for the game? Or is it old and amazon are just featuring it prominently because of the movie?

Nope, it's a brand new guide, but this guide is supposed to be an all-encompassing collector's piece almost, with a lot of artwork and bonus stuff that you wouldn't normally see in a standard strategy guide.

 

[cybercrash]

I love this movie... I was absolutely blown away by it and there were a lot of moments where I had to laugh out loud because it was so amazingly done, some moments where I even said "what the fuck?" out loud because of the crazy shit they came up with in some of the action scenes.

I think it's just perfect, only remark I can make is that there are two scenes in there which have an abrupt cut, the one where Cloud is unconscious with Tifa in the church and the one with the cellphone under water... Before these scenes actually go anywhere they just stop and it's pretty weird. The rest of the movie is just perfect imho, excellent editing en directing... Just brilliant.

 

[lunlunqq]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aeris is HAWT!!!!!!!11!!1!!1111oneone...

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