It's frustrating like the SFV beta training mode.
Shiro is not a given. While he currently has the points there are still a lot of events left for him to get knocked off the participant list.
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It's frustrating like the SFV beta training mode.
Shiro is not a given. While he currently has the points there are still a lot of events left for him to get knocked off the participant list.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Why? The games not out. They are still in development and messing with things constantly. Only the few people at conventions can check anyways.
Soak in the mystery!!
Interested in the evolution of the game and the fact that they are asking for feedback from those at the convention. Having to search for changes, instead of getting straight to the meat, is a waste of important time with the game.
EDIT: Also theory fighter is fun.
CountBlack
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irfaanator
Banned
the next nujabes
That Dude John
Member
Anybody care to play Guilty Gear?
Heard that when a kid is born in Jamaica they get pants that say ''MAXIMUM'' on them.
Their culture is so cool and i love them. Remember that what's inside is most important.
Some of us enjoy the discovery process involved with a new game.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
I thought he was Shing02 when I first saw him.
CountBlack
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Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
GGXrd PS3 LE for $27, if anybody is interested
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NJ07F6K/?tag=neogaf0e-20
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Yeah that's fine and all when the game actually releases but it hasn't released yet and it's under a heavy testing phase. Capcom is on a clock here and having players first discover the game to figure out changes between the numerous builds is inefficient.
Besides location testing is very limited in time and personnel. You want to at least get the maximum amount of information out there to help the testers.
Look at this thread on /r/kappa by Acekingoffsuit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/3mn2j4/big_winners_big_losers_in_the_cpt_this_week_and_a/
There's only Red Fight District for Europe and the CPTA Cheng Du event in Asia for ranking events. In the U.S. there is only Defend the North for ranking events, the wild card tournament of Costa Rica CPT ranking event. There's just little to no events for the 2nd and 3rd tier players that might catch Shiro for them to attempt to jump over. Luffy will continue to gatekeep Europe's ranking events so he can get a good seed. U.S. top players like Snakeyes, Dieminion, Strider 801 and Nuckledu will continue to place well, and Infiltration might show up to gatekeep in order to practice for Canada Cup the next week. Only Smug since he's local would be a threat to try to get points, but he plays a character that either blows people up or gets blown up and trying to win a tournament with that sort of character is hard over a whole tournament.
For Premier events, there is still SCR (US), BGS (Brazil), Milan (Italy), Canada Cup (Canada), Ultra Hakkyushu Cup (Japan), Dreamhack Winter (Germany), and Capcom Cup Asia Finals (Singapore). All the best international players that already won or have high points will travel to the events (outside of Luffy) due to the high prize pots that each event has. The only exception is for the Brazil Game show but that is fine, that is expected, and CPTA finals which is an invitationals for the winners of each CPTA qualifier.
If top 4 of a given premier event are already qualified, then the premier spot becomes an open field spot which helps out Shiro. CPTA Finals are already filled with gatekeepers (Infiltration, Bonchan, Nemo, Tonpy, Misse, Xian, Xhao Hai, MOV), and the best players who doesn't have a guaranteed spot is Bonchan and Nemo, both players who have more than enough CPT points and will free up an open field spot. Tonpy, Misse and Xhao Hai are also players with a lot of CPT points that if they get that CPTA finals spot, will help a player like Shiro.
Basically, Shiro (and Strider 801, and the people directly under them) will be fine for Capcom Cup. For Shiro to not make it, just about every Premier spot has to be taken by a player who is not high on the CPT list currently. That's 7 spots up for grabs, it's just about impossible for 7 Street Fighters players who don't have the points to grab each every Premier spot. There's just not enough talent of the 2nd and 3rd tier level for that to happen. Also, those players will have to travel to just about every ranking event left (like Gonzales is trying to do, and Shiro has done in Asia) and need to win one of them.
It's just not going to happen.
Are you telling me that you like the discovery process even if you only have very limited time with the game? There is difference between having a lot of time and tools to try out and not having those at hand.
Basically what Dahbomb said. I'd want to have the players to use their time to skip straight to testing out the theory that results from the changes, since it takes some time to build the muscle memory.
Not likely, but not impossible. Shiro would be smart to stay on his toes and try to gather more points to be safe.
Iirc, he is also the slayer of Excellent Adventures featuring LIJoe.
I'm sorry, but you need to make more of an argument of "Juuuuuuuuuuuuust maybe..." for me to take this seriously.
Professor Beef
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Lies!
Holy Order Sol
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I'd buy them at a high price
14.99 is the game. 3.99 is dlc.Hey so I was looking at 3s for ps3 since i got rid of my 360 and there are two versions. One is 3.99 and the other is 14.99 for the base game and a 19.99 for a complete edition... Is the 3.99 version the full game? I'm a little confused seeing all that. Thanks in advance.
Professor Beef
Banned
I forgot what the DLC was. Wasn't it an unlock for Gill or something?
shaowebb
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I find it fun. It eventually led to such a backlog of ideas to fantasize about that it made me start working harder to make my own stuff. I think theory fighting is also a great exercise to give you creativity in the lab on games. Heck, I keep hoping Juicebox's recent theory crafting of defensive mechanics might be a beginning that eventually drives him over the edge and into organizing his own thing too. I often want Beardo to do the same as well simply because I know he has the art background, and playing mileage and general love of the fighting games. Hell, I've sent him links to engines on more than one occassion because I think he'd get a lot of fulfillment from it (though forget EF-12. Dead end there...trust me.)
I think its fulfilling and I generally just hope anyone who labs hard and theorycrafts eventually gets into making things based off of their dreams. Feels good to see folks doing that. I loved watching Mike Z's energy and desire pour out of him as he'd show us builds each week. I feel the same reading updates on things like Yatagarasu, and Them's Fighting Herds. Just an overall positive vibe once folks take the plunge because then its all about what they love in the genre. Sure there are problems to overcome, but you get to celebrate what you love everyday and see it grow.
In the end, having an outlet that lets you consistently enjoy what you love in the genre is amazing. I support theory fighting hard because it generates creativity and hopefully, gets future developers to start dreaming.
TLDR: Theoryfight more. Then either use that creativity in the lab or to start making your own dream games
theprodigy
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from that reddit thread regarding the CPT stuff:
that sounds like a great idea, although you could end up with this last chance person riding the momentum and sending the #1 seed to losers extra early lol
also, since some people (not here, thank god) seem to be clinging on to this notion that Nairo was actually challenged at the Japanese tournament last week, here's his results (losses in italics):
(winners round 2 video not up)
Winners Round 3: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 43%
Game 2-1 stock, 118%
Winners Round 4: 2-1
Game 1-1 stock, 91%
Game 2-1 stock, 55%
Game 3-2 stock, 143%
Winners Quarterfinals: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 35%
Game 2-1 stock, 0%
Winners Semifinals: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 60%
Game 2-1 stock, 108%
Winners Finals: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 122%
Game 2-1 stock, 0%
Grand Finals: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 53%
Game 2-1 stock, 74%
so close to losing, that the one guy that got a game got 2-stocked in game 3 /s
Americans in SF make excuses for themselves, Americans in Smash 4 make excuses for the Japanese
that sounds like a great idea, although you could end up with this last chance person riding the momentum and sending the #1 seed to losers extra early lol
also, since some people (not here, thank god) seem to be clinging on to this notion that Nairo was actually challenged at the Japanese tournament last week, here's his results (losses in italics):
(winners round 2 video not up)
Winners Round 3: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 43%
Game 2-1 stock, 118%
Winners Round 4: 2-1
Game 1-1 stock, 91%
Game 2-1 stock, 55%
Game 3-2 stock, 143%
Winners Quarterfinals: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 35%
Game 2-1 stock, 0%
Winners Semifinals: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 60%
Game 2-1 stock, 108%
Winners Finals: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 122%
Game 2-1 stock, 0%
Grand Finals: 2-0
Game 1-1 stock, 53%
Game 2-1 stock, 74%
so close to losing, that the one guy that got a game got 2-stocked in game 3 /s
Americans in SF make excuses for themselves, Americans in Smash 4 make excuses for the Japanese
Holy Order Sol
Member
this tbh
Relax. The game isn't even out yet. You'll have ten years to figure out that when you mash a DP you're gonna get hurt.
Professor Beef
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TLDR: Theoryfight more. Then either use that creativity in the lab or to start making your own dream games
My mom and grandma always told me I should make games, but I kept having to explain to them that I don't like creating. I just wanna play games, it's boring trying to think of something.
shaowebb
Member
Then use the creativity in the lab till tech catches up and makes it easier for you to jump in. Lord knows about a 3rd of what I saw in college has had new software come out to make it irrelevant at this point. Shit advanced FAST. A lot is easier now than it was back in 2012 when I first started in software training.
Professor Beef
Banned
He was, but now he really showed it lol
Too bad Du was not going to be stopped this tourney.
Thanks. Looked to good to be true. There is no mention of dlc or Gil in that listing so they really should fix that.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Faster and more accurate than asking people who don't know shit or playing countless matches like a neanderthal though.
Professor Beef
Banned
I said it's boring, not useless.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
how would you even handle the logistics for this. even the players in the US would have to go incredibly out of their way in terms of time and money to attend this for a super low reward
That's probably how a lot of people feel about going into a gaming related job.
I guess on the upside, we get to enjoy games first and foremost as a hobby, instead of stress over creation and testing.
Ragingnight
Member
rKappa always has a good breakdown of winners and losers after major events in terms of CPT ranking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/3mn2j4/big_winners_big_losers_in_the_cpt_this_week_and_a/
just a sample since I want to give the guy some credit. He breaks down the ranking and the players status after every major events. His previous ones and the ones where he updates the status on how players face with the upcoming events are really good work.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/3mn2j4/big_winners_big_losers_in_the_cpt_this_week_and_a/
just a sample since I want to give the guy some credit. He breaks down the ranking and the players status after every major events. His previous ones and the ones where he updates the status on how players face with the upcoming events are really good work.
KidA Seven
Member
I don't like looking at it like that. I would rather just look at the entire top 32 as opposed to counting the premier qualifiers separate from the players with just points. Just look at CPTA Finals. Only 9 players compete in that and 6 of the current 7 qualified players all have 140+ points. It's very likely that the CPTA Finals will not effect the top 32. The only one that can affect it as of now is MOV and he will have to finish higher than Misse, Xiaohai, Nemo, and Bonchan in a round robin format.
Same with Dreamhack. Suppose Daigo, Momochi, Tokido, Mago, Xian, Infiltration, Luffy, etc... all go to it. The only way the top 32 is effected by Dreamhack is if a player in the top 4 is the best placing "unofficially qualified" player and is outside the top 32 in points. So it has to be a player that isn't Luffy, Daigo, Momochi, Mago, Tokido, Xian, Infiltration, Gamerbee, Problem X, Fuudo, etc...
No doubt he does a great job and he's consistently giving these updates. I just disagree with the way he looks at the standings, but that's not a big deal.
Same with Dreamhack. Suppose Daigo, Momochi, Tokido, Mago, Xian, Infiltration, Luffy, etc... all go to it. The only way the top 32 is effected by Dreamhack is if a player in the top 4 is the best placing "unofficially qualified" player and is outside the top 32 in points. So it has to be a player that isn't Luffy, Daigo, Momochi, Mago, Tokido, Xian, Infiltration, Gamerbee, Problem X, Fuudo, etc...
No doubt he does a great job and he's consistently giving these updates. I just disagree with the way he looks at the standings, but that's not a big deal.
Ragingnight
Member
well this is just this week. In previous weeks/months he has updated every premier and ranking and who are most effected by results. Its a great analysis of the CPT as a whole while it progresses. Great for people that miss out on events due to work/going out.
music packs, palette packs, optional gill unlock and a crappy tournament held to be sold as dlc
ShinMaruku
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I would not call that hurting themselves when the community by using crowd data can parse through these things quickly and they save money. People spending time finding out what changed from builds can also introduce a more gradual time for the meta to shift and settle.
Ideally people would like to know what is there from the jump but they see value in making people find out stuff. Even more ideally if the community is large enough to have a varied set of gameplay styles these things would be figured out really quickly.
fucking konami
Junji Ito on Silent Hills Panchiko.
SFV will get figured out fast- more than anything due to the likely size of its audience.
ShinMaruku
Member
Depends on the make up of the audience, if it's the same bunch we'll get the same norrowish band of results.
You would probably be better off looking at pre-AC footage for Dizzy and Testament. They have not ignored AC and +R when designing Xrd, but Slayer and Jam shows they are sticking closely with Ishiwatari's original vision of the characters. Even characters with large revamps, like May and Venom, their gameplay and feel mirrors closely to their pre-AC counterparts.
Dizzy and Testament, both of them are very different in AC than they were before. Dizzy plays largely the same, but is simplified and received some very big buffs. Testament is massively changed. He used to be a trap character and he still is in AC, but you don't have to utilize that aspect of him. I doubt either character are going to return to their ham-handed AC designs.
--GGXX#r
#reload was when Dizzy was her most punishing. Testament was still rather lacking here.
SBO 2k5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-XW9vOWcfQ
GIGS tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxk2jvcyP68
--GGXX/
Slash was when GG was getting really big. The understanding of the game was much better, and this is when the players you know today started to really perfect their game and get hungry.
SBO 2k6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGH9Y2Rbr9Q
Other stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzvsG2iJoWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO6l6J0fkLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZFYy-c1cpk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kJJ0M2QiUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7WdREfJQfY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPYsk-pelqg
This channel also has a bunch of AC stuff, but no +R stuff. You'd probably wanna use this for more recent AC / +R vids. http://horibuna.web.fc2.com/index.html
That 10 year throwback combo.
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