That wording is super weird. Is Tizoc the best at having sex with dinosaurs or is he the definitive king of dinosaurs
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That wording is super weird. Is Tizoc the best at having sex with dinosaurs or is he the definitive king of dinosaurs
That Che PogChamp shirt I'm done lol
sixteen-bit
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Capcom Pro Talk to follow?
Professor Beef
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Because instead of playing, they're busy complaining.
I'm shocked that BrokenTier shirt doesn't sell out more often with the amount of complaining players do in any game.
"God's Beard!"
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I don't think the difference in talent is that huge, but more of the top Japanese players play together more often. A lot of that is a geographical thing, but having something like we used to have with FGTV would go a long way.
America is not meant to be
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";211464546]I don't think the difference in talent is that huge, but more of the top Japanese players play together more often. A lot of that is a geographical thing, but having something like we used to have with FGTV would go a long way.[/QUOTE]
But the winner of SFV is a Korean who plays and thinks mostly by himself...
But the winner of SFV is a Korean who plays and thinks mostly by himself...
Honestly, the issue now is that every top American player is stuck working a 9-5 while the elite Asian players are spending 10+ hours a day playing, practicing and studying matches. That's going to be a tough difference to make up.
Smooth Operator
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America is already doomed on SFV, we need SFVI asap
racketpunch
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The excuses are pouring in
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Needs to come out a year earlier in America and release in Japan after evo
Nemo isn't
Is this the new "but, but... Arcade release" thing?
sixteen-bit
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Killer Instinct was a X1 exclusive (platform that's DOA in Japan), and on top of that USA still had a year head start before the JP release. Domi still made top 8 @ evo 2015.
SF Gods wouldn't care.
"God's Beard!"
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Infiltration is already the master. The stuff he practices is way above what other people need to work on. He's figuring out stuff like what the best thing to do after a throw tech is or branching options on how to respond to his opponent's response when he throws a fireball, or the most optimal pause before neutral jumping to throw off his opponent's punish timing.
Most people are still working on matchups and frame data.
It's kind of a joke how good Infiltration is.
It's the same stuff that's happened in every other competitive videogame. You can call it an excuse if you want, but it's just what I think -- and it would apply to players in all regions. Some of that can be mitigated if you are insane (with people working, playing, studying the game and doing nothing else with their life) but at some level you have to do it full-time. I know where I work my bosses would kill me if I tried to go to the number of CPT events that professional players go out to.
"God's Beard!"
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The more I watch Infiltration play, and the more I see his interviews in Korean, the more I think Infiltration was already both the talent and the brains, and Laugh was just his interpreter.
Dude has had six Evo top 3 placings since 2010, with 4 wins. If you consider the number of people entering these tournaments compared to say when Justin was winning every MVC2, that's crazy.
Dude has had six Evo top 3 placings since 2010, with 4 wins. If you consider the number of people entering these tournaments compared to say when Justin was winning every MVC2, that's crazy.
call_kotaku
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Atleast NA won a TI, Japan ain't got shit on us
It's actually interesting how Japan just doesn't play non-FG esports games, I wonder how good they'd perform in other things.
It's actually interesting how Japan just doesn't play non-FG esports games, I wonder how good they'd perform in other things.
lucebuce12
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Don't think I've seen many Japanese in team based games. They seem to excel primarily in skill based games.Atleast NA won a TI, Japan ain't got shit on us
It's actually interesting how Japan just doesn't play non-FG esports games, I wonder how good they'd perform in other things.
Tokido laughs. Also probably half of Mexico and China.
kinda got Chris T flashbacks from this post heh
Nah, being a pro vs having a full time job is a real thing. When used to explain why US isn't performing on the same level as international players though then it's just another lousy excuse, especially with it being much easier to get sponsored in the US than anywhere else, and you wont be able to get a sponsorship that allow you to play 10+ hours a day, unless you already made it on your own without the sponsor.
That and, aren't the players who attended the most CPT events so far Americans? Who showed up to more events than Justin Wong and K-Brad? Them 9-5 jobs doesn't seem to be holding them back much!
MiniBossBattle
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LI Joe has a job and a top 8.
Professor Beef
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Tallshortman
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Pretty sure EG pays for their travel. The amount of tournament travel combined with results kbrad is getting these days would be a lot out of pocket if he weren't getting EG to pay.
There's theoritically a handful of US players that could do full time without being complete poverty status but it's still not lucrative unless you win one of Evo or capcom cup.
There's theoritically a handful of US players that could do full time without being complete poverty status but it's still not lucrative unless you win one of Evo or capcom cup.
Immortal Technique
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Infiltration is a freak though. I don't think Infiltration rules apply to anyone else.
Immortal Technique
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But why are the elite Asians able to have that luxury, and not the Americans?
Perhaps if GGPO quality online becomes the standard we will start seeing some. Even more likely if in the future, by some miracle, we can get quality connections between U.S. and Japan.
That's the point though. He's in training mode all day. He studies what other characters can do, as well as his character, finds out what he his problems with, and runs it through training mode over and over until he solves it. It's an option but the reality is most people want to play against other people.
Unless you live in New York, the only way to play against others is online. And if your games isn't Killer Instinct or Skullgirls, chances are you won't be able to find many top tier players to play against with reliable netcode. This is why stories of "online player who has never been to a local before is in the top 8 at EVO/CB" is such a common thing in those two games, when it is unheard of in any other game. Being able to get less than 100 ping when playing between Chicago and New York can go a long way.
Infiltration has a full time job. As does Daigo. Only so much practice can make a difference.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";211468311]The more I watch Infiltration play, and the more I see his interviews in Korean, the more I think Infiltration was already both the talent and the brains, and Laugh was just his interpreter.
Dude has had six Evo top 3 placings since 2010, with 4 wins. If you consider the number of people entering these tournaments compared to say when Justin was winning every MVC2, that's crazy.[/QUOTE]
Yea I think Floe had it right last week on pro talk when he said Infiltration is the Daigo of the new generation.
Dude has had six Evo top 3 placings since 2010, with 4 wins. If you consider the number of people entering these tournaments compared to say when Justin was winning every MVC2, that's crazy.[/QUOTE]
Yea I think Floe had it right last week on pro talk when he said Infiltration is the Daigo of the new generation.
irfaanator
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well if infiltration moves to the US, NA will finally be the best in SF
Daigo doesn't have a full time job, but according to him, he play like 4 or so hours a day, which is manageable even with a full time job.
Nah, Infiltration will get worse and get 65th place at EVO
IIRC, Infiltration said something like he works and 8 hour shift and comes home and is in training mode most of the remaining day.
He said he's in SFV 8 hours a day, and only manages to play 4 hours a day because of matchmaking.
Personally I think 3 hours is the absolute most the average adult can play a game, assuming they do nothing else with their freetime and are still responsible.
Smooth Operator
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I don't know, you should ask the SF4 US Winner of EVO... oh wait !
On a more serious note, what do you mean by "work less" exactly ?
ShadowSoldier89
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I have too many other games to play to dedicate 3 hours a day to 1 fighting game
Lostconfused
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That's why the arcades are filled with team based games. Follow the patterns.
What the fuck is even playing a game?
Yep. Or at least in Scandinavian countries.
Are they really doing worse though?!
Professor Beef
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If we're counting recent world events, then absolutely.
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