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X Tekken for $10 on the PSN flash sale

https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-us/flash-sale/cid=STORE-MSF77008-9_FLASHSALE2014

not worth it right?

I enjoyed it after getting it off PS+. Some very very minor slowdowns here and there tho. Better than that pos Injustice Vita port. Also has crossplay but the netcode is still garbage like on console. If you're one of the people that enjoy the game and for some reason want to play it on the go, I'd recommend it. Otherwise if you have the PS3/360 version you can just stick with that.

 

[enzo_gt]

Yeah, it's true. Well to be accurate we're not sure on Big E events. He won't give us a clear answer. Shin Blanka told us if we go to TFC or FR he will call the police and have us ejected. He also threatened a lawsuit if we recommend players go to other tournaments. I'm not a law expert but based on watching TV I don't think that is a strong case lol.

The gist is Pig and I have been critical of those tournaments for a while now. The NRS side of them are often run very poorly in our opinions. Final Round was the last straw. That was the worst tournament I've ever been to. We were extremely vocal about that and they've been mad at us since. A couple of months ago players from that region started asking us to make peace since it's dividing the community. We tried, they weren't interested, and there you have it.

This is pretty fucked up.

Oh well, at least we finally have thread title material.

 

[Jyosua]

For the record, what I posted on my twitter last night was right after talking to Watson in person.

I have no doubt in my mind that he's going to downplay it with the blog post he said he was going to make tonight, but the fact of the matter is that neither myself nor iebattlegrounds can stream our events on our own channels at Super Arcade anymore.

Watson is requiring that the [still unnamed] Super Arcade channel be used for all non-Level|Up events.

 

[Passive Assassin]

what. wait what. :l ... wat. but cokeinthebag :l

 

[Rhapsody]

For the record, what I posted on my twitter last night was right after talking to Watson in person.

I have no doubt in my mind that he's going to downplay it with the blog post he said he was going to make tonight, but the fact of the matter is that neither myself nor iebattlegrounds can stream our events on our own channels at Super Arcade anymore.

Watson is requiring that the [still unnamed] Super Arcade channel be used for all non-Level|Up events.

Hopefully that doesn't really mean one single channel instead of LevelupLive1/2/3 etc.

But yeah, I really don't like this for the busier WNF and TRB nights.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

So, will there Super Arcade channels 1, 2, 3...etc?

 

[remist]

For the record, what I posted on my twitter last night was right after talking to Watson in person.

I have no doubt in my mind that he's going to downplay it with the blog post he said he was going to make tonight, but the fact of the matter is that neither myself nor iebattlegrounds can stream our events on our own channels at Super Arcade anymore.

Watson is requiring that the [still unnamed] Super Arcade channel be used for all non-Level|Up events.

Is a sponsor the source of this new policy, or does he just want to develop his own channel by keeping it exclusive? If it's the sponsor, did you offer to run an ad every now and then as a compromise?

Also really appreciate the work you put in for the anime scene, especially for getting BB pools streamed at EVO.

 

[BakedYams]

Sixfortyfive can correct me, but I believe that's wrong. Neo & Champ (and the players they swapped with, Wandles & Potato Salad) only talked to the bracket runner to get the swap to happen. Shinblanka didn't know about it until it was too late.

Also 17 years of organizing tournaments and the skin remains thin.

Thanks for the clarification Curly and Sixfortyfive, was trying to remember how it went down.

For the record, what I posted on my twitter last night was right after talking to Watson in person.

I have no doubt in my mind that he's going to downplay it with the blog post he said he was going to make tonight, but the fact of the matter is that neither myself nor iebattlegrounds can stream our events on our own channels at Super Arcade anymore.

Watson is requiring that the [still unnamed] Super Arcade channel be used for all non-Level|Up events.

Eh I hope its broken down to multiple channels like what's Rhapsody said. If its all on one channel, it'll certainly lose a couple games people would love to see, especially anime fighters.

 

[enzo_gt]

I'm hesitant to criticize Watson yet. Ultimately he has stake in the venue and that venue has stake in his livelihood, and we know that he's been put in hard places trying to keep the place open period.

If this new sponsor [eventually] allows them to fund these side streams and give a cut of what they make or something, that might end up being better. To be clear, I have zero faith this will happen, but I need more details.

 

[Jyosua]

Is a sponsor the source of this new policy, or does he just want to develop his own channel by keeping it exclusive. If it's the sponsor, did you offer to run an ad every now and then as a compromise.

Also really appreciate the work you put in for the anime scene, especially for getting BB pools streamed at EVO.

It is a sponsor, and I did offer that. It's only fair to run ads for a sponsor that would be giving our event prizes; I mean come on... I'm not new to livestreaming tournament events. It was a no go, but it didn't sound like he was even willing to ask his sponsor if that would be okay.

As far as multiple streams, originally I heard from both Mando and Watson that there would only be one stream for an event and it would be Super Arcade's channel. However, I heard from Rotanibor today that Watson approached him on IRC and told him that would not be the case, and that they would have a second stream for the games him and Numakie run at Rebel Up. This is a big 180 from what I was originally told and I'm skeptical, because it only happened after I posted about the issue on twitter.

All I keep hearing any time I question him on the matter is "nothing is set in stone yet; things might change later down the road," but if you're going to kick my own stream out of an event I help organize, well, I feel like I deserve to have full knowledge of why and how. I like Watson, he's normally a cool guy, but this isn't cool in my book.

 

[Ragingnight]

that really sucks about the whole WNF thing but without more info (which they are withholding), I can't say much.

The whole Big E and Shinblanka is huge though. Luckily these are 2 very well known players (one of them is a gaffer too!), but imagine if you were a nobody. I mean, you can't talk about a tournament you went to and express your dislike on how its ran?

 

[.la1n]

that really sucks about the whole WNF thing but without more info (which they are withholding), I can't say much.

The whole Big E and Shinblanka is huge though. Luckily these are 2 very well known players (one of them is a gaffer too!), but imagine if you were a nobody. I mean, you can't talk about a tournament you went to and express your dislike on how its ran?

I'll wait until we have more information but the idea of banning people simply because of making complaints about the tournament public seems a bit juvenile. Likewise there is an appropriate and inappropriate way to voice concerns about tournaments and perhaps in this case the lesson is to show a little more tact in how you voice those complaints.

Obviously without knowing what specifically was said or done I can't speak to whether this was this case or not.

 

[Ragingnight]

I'll wait until we have more information but the idea of banning people simply because of making complaints about the tournament public seems a bit juvenile. Likewise there is an appropriate and I appropriate way to voice concerns about tournaments and perhaps in this case the lesson is to show a little more tact in how you voice those complaints.

Obviously without knowing what specifically was said or done I can't speak to whether this was this case or not.

well we have the video that shows that pig of the hut was way more than willing to drop things and apologize, but both TOs didn't give a shit and one threaten to sue if he "slander" his company name and call the police if he showed up to any of the tournaments.

I have also seen these two (pig and 16bit) mention FR and such as being ran terribly, nothing really that bad in terms of how they said it. They just said its one of the worst tournament they have ever been to, and it was not worth traveling to if you are a NRS player. There are podcast of Pig saying this (forgot which one), but its nothing that is that bad. Shit I don't even think Flash Metroid was banned from UFGT and he has done way worse.

 

[Rotanibor]

It is a sponsor, and I did offer that. It's only fair to run ads for a sponsor that would be giving our event prizes; I mean come on... I'm not new to livestreaming tournament events. It was a no go, but it didn't sound like he was even willing to ask his sponsor if that would be okay.

As far as multiple streams, originally I heard from both Mando and Watson that there would only be one stream for an event and it would be Super Arcade's channel. However, I heard from Rotanibor today that Watson approached him on IRC and told him that would not be the case, and that they would have a second stream for the games him and Numakie run at Rebel Up. This is a big 180 from what I was originally told and I'm skeptical, because it only happened after I posted about the issue on twitter.

All I keep hearing any time I question him on the matter is "nothing is set in stone yet; things might change later down the road," but if you're going to kick my own stream out of an event I help organize, well, I feel like I deserve to have full knowledge of why and how. I like Watson, he's normally a cool guy, but this isn't cool in my book.

I never said it was a "a second stream for the games Numakie and I run" and neither did watson, and it wasn't even clear what games to me were going to 'allowed' on the single stream when it was being framed like that. What games would be on which stream was not discussed, and I'm not sure if he even fully realized how we separated the games by stream previously. Either way, I was still going to do what I had to fight to get Vampire Savior on that "single" stream when possible.

To be clear, Watson told me was along the lines of "never said there could be only one stream, there can be multiple streams but they have to be on Super Arcade's channel". He seemed adamant that the single stream rule was wrong. I'm taking it as they can have 'superarcade1' and 'superarcade2' on twitch, and I asked him if that was the case, he didn't give a straight "yes or no" during the flow of the conversation so I'm a bit second guessing myself with the confusion going around, but it makes the most sense.

I was honestly avoiding commentating on this until the blog post, outside of the few people I had already been discussing this with on twitter and chats, but I felt I should clear up what was said here in relation to me.

 

[Jyosua]

I never said it was a "a second stream for the games Numakie and I run" and neither did watson, and it wasn't even clear what games to me were going to 'allowed' on the single stream when it was being framed like that. What games would be on which stream was not discussed, and I'm not sure if he even fully realized how we separated the games by stream previously. Either way, I was still going to do what I had to fight to get Vampire Savior on that "single" stream when possible.

To be clear, Watson told me was along the lines of "never said there could be only one stream, there can be multiple streams but they have to be on Super Arcade's channel". He seemed adamant that the single stream rule was wrong. I'm taking it as they can have 'superarcade1' and 'superarcade2' on twitch, and I asked him if that was the case, he didn't confirm "yes or no" but it makes the most sense.

I was honestly avoiding commentating on this until the blog post, outside of the few people I had already been discussing this with on twitter and chats, but I felt I should clear up what was said here in relation to me.

I'm definitely not saying you're lying and I fully respect you fighting to get stream time for VSav. I also agree: I don't think he fully realized that we had two separate streams and categorized the games by that. Unfortunately, it sounds like the answers Watson gave you are super vague, just like most of what he told me. I had to really badger him about it to get some of the more 'solid' details I have (which I currently can't share), but when I questioned him about this stuff, he didn't want to give fine details. That really bugged me, because Rebel Up is in two days. I'm hoping he's more concise in his blog post.

 

[irfaanator]

well hope it gets resolved before then.

man that super bad netcode for yata right now lol

 

[jbug617]

Spooky is netplaying UNIEL
http://www.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky

 

[Rotanibor]

I'm definitely not saying you're lying and I fully respect you fighting to get stream time for VSav. I also agree: I don't think he fully realized that we had two separate streams and categorized the games by that. Unfortunately, it sounds like the answers Watson gave you are super vague, just like most of what he told me. I had to really badger him about it to get some of the more 'solid' details I have (which I currently can't share), but when I questioned him about this stuff, he didn't want to give fine details. That really bugged me, because Rebel Up is in two days. I'm hoping he's more concise in his blog post.

If I could look back at the IRC log I could probably be more confident in my statement, because he probably told me a slightly clearer than that, but I don't know how to bring that conversation back up without him messaging me under his other irc nick, lol.

I am not comfortable making a more absolute statement (considering there is a bit of drama around this now) without first seeing his blog post, so I was being as clear as I could with what I may be uncertain with.

 

[Kumubou]

well hope it gets resolved before then.

man that super bad netcode for yata right now lol

I'm glad as all hell that it's being replaced with a rollback-based solution because even the worst working rollback-based games I've seen play way better than this. And they thought their original solution would have been good enough. :x

 

[The Light]

well we have the video that shows that pig of the hut was way more than willing to drop things and apologize, but both TOs didn't give a shit and one threaten to sue if he "slander" his company name and call the police if he showed up to any of the tournaments.

I have also seen these two (pig and 16bit) mention FR and such as being ran terribly, nothing really that bad in terms of how they said it. They just said its one of the worst tournament they have ever been to, and it was not worth traveling to if you are a NRS player. There are podcast of Pig saying this (forgot which one), but its nothing that is that bad. Shit I don't even think Flash Metroid was banned from UFGT and he has done way worse.

Yea I never seen either pig or 16bit say anything slanderous about FR on tym.
Pig is supposed to go on OBS to answer questions.

 

[alstein]

I'm definitely not saying you're lying and I fully respect you fighting to get stream time for VSav. I also agree: I don't think he fully realized that we had two separate streams and categorized the games by that. Unfortunately, it sounds like the answers Watson gave you are super vague, just like most of what he told me. I had to really badger him about it to get some of the more 'solid' details I have (which I currently can't share), but when I questioned him about this stuff, he didn't want to give fine details. That really bugged me, because Rebel Up is in two days. I'm hoping he's more concise in his blog post.

I don't know if it's doable- but maybe you can work something out with Mike Z and the Skullgirls folks and their weekly event if Super Arcade shuts you guys out?

 

[CurlyW]

well we have the video that shows that pig of the hut was way more than willing to drop things and apologize, but both TOs didn't give a shit and one threaten to sue if he "slander" his company name and call the police if he showed up to any of the tournaments.

I have also seen these two (pig and 16bit) mention FR and such as being ran terribly, nothing really that bad in terms of how they said it. They just said its one of the worst tournament they have ever been to, and it was not worth traveling to if you are a NRS player. There are podcast of Pig saying this (forgot which one), but its nothing that is that bad. Shit I don't even think Flash Metroid was banned from UFGT and he has done way worse.

We never banned Flash at UFGT. The only person we banned was the guy who punched the expensive camera at UFGT8. (And he's only banned from competing or playing casuals, he could still attend as a spectator.)

 

[Sayah]

X Tekken for $10 on the PSN flash sale

https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-us/flash-sale/cid=STORE-MSF77008-9_FLASHSALE2014

not worth it right?

Depends on what you want from it.

I bought it day 1 at $60. It was worth the money for me. Got fun matches online and had a lot of fun with pair play despite shitty netcode. I couldn't miss the 2D take on Tekken characters either and they did an excellent job transitioning Tekken into SF universe.

Pretty much the reasons this game is/was hated are:

1. Netcode
2. DLC characters
3. Gem monetization system
4. Useless Pandora
5. Neon colors

People can call it jab X timeout all they want but I think the gameplay is solid.

The patch may have fixed netcode and pandora usefulness. Though, you still have to buy dlc characters separately, gems are still relevant, and people probably still use ugly neon colors. Not sure how active the online is anymore either.

What could have been a great game marred by Capcpom's dumb, greedy decisions. And this was a crossover with another franchise from another company so they could have at least been a little respectful with their practices and not gone overboard like they did.

 

[Ragingnight]

We never banned Flash at UFGT. The only person we banned was the guy who punched the expensive camera at UFGT8. (And he's only banned from competing or playing casuals, he could still attend as a spectator.)

yeah so I don't understand what the hell happen to both pig and 16bit to warrant bans

 

[Keits]

yeah so I don't understand what the hell happen to both pig and 16bit to warrant bans

People have said horrible things to me and about my event. Sometimes I never wanted to hear from or see that person again.

But we never banned anyone.

 

[Ragingnight]

a reddit poster giving a TLR version

NEC had accusations of bracket rigging along with tournament delays and streaming issues (which Pig actually helped fix). FR had huge issues with brackets being changed last minute, people getting dq'd and moved to later pools, poor organization where non-staff players had to step up and help run brackets, massive delays, etc.
A lot of people complained, so Pig and 16bit spoke up about it and criticized KombatNetwork (who run the NRS side of things) and ShinBlanka's staff members involved (particularly a guy named Bobsmack) for these issues.
A couple months later, Big E makes a facebook post vaguely stating that a certain two people are going to be banned from his events. 16bit contacts him about it, and Big E apparently thought he was a player named SwiftTomHanks who tried to organize a boycott against his events, something that neither 16bit nor Pig had any involvement in or tried to do. 16bit offers to discuss the issues that have happened at these tournaments in person but doesn't get much of a response.
A couple weeks ago, this is brought up again. Big E and ShinBlanka accuse them of trying to bring down their tournaments and not willing to talk to them. Pig brings up that he did try to talk to him multiple times at Final Round and was ignored, and presents FB messages/texts showing where they both have tried to reach out to them. ShinBlanka then threatens to sue for slander and says he's done talking and they're still banned.
BTW, just so it's clear, this issue did not start at all with issues between these two and Big E/Shin. It was an issue between them and KombatNetwork, as well as some guy named Bobsmack who works under Shin. It only became an issue with the TO's when they instituted a ban.
Still TL;DR - NRS players had a bad experience at NEC and FR. 16bit and Pig spoke up about it. Big E thinks they're another person who tried to boycott his events and banned them. They try to talk to him and aren't given a clear answer if they're actually banned. Later it's brought up again and they're told they refused to talk to them about tournament issues. Pig and Bit stated how they have reached out to them and offered proof for it. ShinBlanka says they're still banned and won't talk about it and threatens to sue for slander.

 

[mbpm1]

Pig is supposed to go on OBS to answer questions.

I love how the OBS is that show that you watch to stay up to date on everything.

 

[Deps]

ATP Live
http://www.twitch.tv/avoidingthepuddle

 

[oneida]

SNK iOS sale
just got KoF 98 for $1

 

[BakedYams]

We never banned Flash at UFGT. The only person we banned was the guy who punched the expensive camera at UFGT8. (And he's only banned from competing or playing casuals, he could still attend as a spectator.)

Wow, would've charged him for the camera and banned him period. Someone could have gotten hurt if that camera flew off with that punch.

People have said horrible things to me and about my event. Sometimes I never wanted to hear from or see that person again.

But we never banned anyone.

Nice guy Keits.

I love how the OBS is that show that you watch to stay up to date on everything.

Possibly the best show I watch that isn't on cable television. When I can't find a channel giving Maury/Jerry Springer at 2 in the morning, I watch OBS.

Spoiler

For those who don't get it, its all about the drama.

SNK iOS sale
just got KoF 98 for $1

I love ya Oneida but I feel like there is a VF joke I can sneak in there even though its KoF.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

Was this posted already?

More at the link.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Is that Q

 

[CPS2]

#PutQinXrd

 

[Riposte]

When people criticize SFxTK, are they also talking about the updated version?

 

[A Pretty Panda]

SPOILER]For those who don't get it, its all about the drama.[/SPOILER]

NO WAY

 

[BakedYams]

NO WAY

 

[Ragingnight]

When people criticize SFxTK, are they also talking about the updated version?

Depends. For the most part no. The updated version is still boring to watch since its a footsies/whiff punishing centric game. Fun to play, boring to watch similar to CVS2.

 

[The Light]

I'm starting to get weird slowdown with my ps3 when playing injustice in training mode. Kinda worried that something might be wrong with my ps3 since it has never happened before.

I love how the OBS is that show that you watch to stay up to date on everything.

Personally this is my 3rd time watching OBS as I don't really care about drama. Besides issues relating to NRS tournament grievances are usually voiced on tym and done long before OBS covers it, so I have no need to watch it.

I don't get how people can watch something just to see people act like a fool and say dumb shit. Judging from what most people say about this show I guess tonight is one of those rare times its not a cesspool circus since what I did listen to did not have any of that.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

ATP Live
http://www.twitch.tv/avoidingthepuddle

....Does Rip read neogaf?

 

[oneida]

I love ya Oneida but I feel like there is a VF joke I can sneak in there even though its KoF.

I don't follow

 

[jbug617]

Summer Jam Stream Schedule is out. I thought it was this week but it's next week.

 

[Kadey]

Summerjam and Shadowloo Showdown in the same week. Crazy!

 

[Busaiku]

This week?

 

[jbug617]

Summerjam and Shadowloo Showdown in the same week. Crazy!

Good thing one is in Australia so when one is ending, the other one is probably just starting

This week?

next week.

 

[Busaiku]

Dang, same weekend as Arc Revolution Cup.
Guess I won't be seeing any Shadowloo Shodown.

I hope they have a concert this year.

 

[Kadey]

The very good thing is the following Monday is a day off so people can stay up late Sunday night.

 

[Busaiku]

But Sunday in Japan is Saturday/Sunday morning over here.

 

[jbug617]

Dang, same weekend as Arc Revolution Cup.
Guess I won't be seeing any Shadowloo Shodown.

I hope they have a concert this year.

Are they streaming on Twitch again? I remember it had a Nico stream and a Twitch stream

 

[Busaiku]

Oh wait, I dunno.

 

[kirblar]

When people criticize SFxTK, are they also talking about the updated version?

Yes. The update helped, but there were core underlying issues that it couldn't fix.