Fighting Games Weekly | Jan 12-18 | DaiGOAT

Jedi Link said:
Well it turns out that this isn't universally true.

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1025 entrants for Melee and 712 for for Smash 4. Numbers have probably gone up slightly since this pic was made as the registration keeps getting extended, but the fact remains that Apex 2015 not only has more entrants for Melee than Smash 4, but is about to be the biggest Melee tournament in history.
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Smash 4 is at 829 now. I think Melee is capped or something because it still shows 1025.
 
Marz said:
Smash 4 is at 829 now. I think Melee is capped or something because it still shows 1025.
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Still, even if it caps at 1025 or so that a really impressive number for a game that over ten years old.

Sayad said:
I wonder how much of the Melee boom was due to SmashU. Between excitement for Smash before release, and those who came to play SmashU after release only to be disappointing and start playing Melee again afterward.
Wish Project M was allowed there, would be interesting to see where it stands compared to SmashU.
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I don't think it matters much. Last year and the year before it Melee had a huge presence at Evo. People just love the game and no replacement game has really appeared
 
GeoNeo said:
Who the fuck was that bitch? Lucky the guy popping off did not knock him out, but showed good restraint.
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That's what I thought too, but looking at it again, he was sooo going to fight back, but after taking a clear look, he saw that a girl was holding him, lol. Not hitting a girl isn't that impressive of a restrain, most people would have done the same. ;p

Still, not sure why did she get mad when even the guy who lost had a big smile on his face and seemed to be enjoying the pop off!
 
GeoNeo said:
Who the fuck was that bitch? Lucky the guy popping off did not knock him out, but showed good restraint.
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Looking into this more it was a CHICK? What...

Making a new account cause I don't want to get any heat for this. I know who bitch that is and I know what she was doing. Not gonna name names cause I don't want to reign r/Kappa hellfire upon them. She's a local anime player and not very bright (I'm pretty sure she has aspergers or something like that), she's a very much "Social Justice Warrior" like aswell. Anyway she was not happy with ShinBlade and the Memphis team at all and was pretty vocal to a few people about her not liking ShinBlade thinking he's a rude person and too loud for the tournament. So when ShinBlade starts popping off she decides to go up and grab him, trying to look like she's calming him down but mainly to bait a reaction out of him. Not only did she try to get him DQ'd but he wanted him to end up as another Aris CrossAssault situation and make it look like he attacked her and get some serious heat heading his way from shit like Kotaku and Polygon. I guess she's going off the logic that cause she's a girl people will believe her over the guy. She wasn't alone on this either, she told her friends, who are thirsty as fuck white knight nerds, this whole thing and they jumped in. Hence you can hear dudes in this video yelling to DQ him before anyone knew what was going on even though he did nothing wrong and she was the instigator. This seriously isn't the first time she's played the victim like this to get someone else in a fucked up situation either, on facebook right now she's making the whole situation revolve around her. Anyway TOs show up and try to figure out what the fuck happened ready to get the DQ hammer out, I didn't hear the conversation but I assume dudes with tapes and witnesses confirm that ShinBlade did nothing and the girl started it, tournament continues but I assume ShinBlade was told to keep the pop offs quiet. I just wanted to shed some light on the situation before Kotaku shows up and tries to make it look like ShinBlade assaulted a woman and how the FGC is mysoginst.
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i think his popoff was a bit excessive but this ain't the way you try to calm a dude down.

The guy showed a lot of constraint and i'm thinking he thought that was a dude manhandling him and he had a ready-to-fight stance before he noticed it was a girl.

i won't touch the SJW stuff.
 
Here it is in the stream vod.

http://www.twitch.tv/funkyp/v/3674723?t=9h25m30s

Damn, that chick was random as fuck. You can even see the other competitor that sat down have a joke and smiling about it.

Honestly, I hope she was banned at least for putting hands on another player. I don't care if you a chick or dude putting hands on another person in tournament over a pop off is not cool.
 
GeoNeo said:
Honestly, I hope she was banned at least for putting hands on another player. I don't care if you a chick or dude putting hands on another person in tournament over a pop off is not cool.
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She didn't come back to the venue for the rest of the weekend. Not sure if by choice or force.
 
Sayad said:
I wonder how much of the Melee boom was due to SmashU. Between excitement for Smash before release, and those who came to play SmashU after release only to be disappointing and start playing Melee again afterward.
Wish Project M was allowed there, would be interesting to see where it stands compared to SmashU.
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ehhh that's an interesting theory, I guess

there's not that much crossover between the two though
 
Nothing like driving to work and being the only one who wasn't told our office is on a two hour delay because of ice. Guess that means I can see the MK X video at least.
 
I'll talk about it more once I I'm more awake. I was disappointed in both parties, at Shinblade's behavior and at the woman's response to it. I was busy so I was unaware of what was going on until the guy decided to start jumping on chairs. I was actually walking over to tell him to calm down or get DQed, then that happened. Had somebody come to me first, that wouldn't have happened but oh well. Once hands got on somebody else my hands were tied and we had to make a certain series of decisions. To say the least I'm disappointed in a lot of people.

Also the girl involved is a friend of mine. If you'd stop calling her a bitch I'd appreciate it, or you can be just another asshole on my mute list. There's a lot more to it than you know about and she's already gone through her own hell dealing with it, I don't need to see you guys moving her further down. I don't even have the heart to look at r/kappa or twitter right now. I don't condone her behavior in anyway and was incredibly upset, but that doesn't stop me from being concerned.
 
Marz said:
This video needs to be on World Star.
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Well if Viscant vs LTG can make it...anything can I guess

I didn't really see why anybody would get mad like that at the dude tbh. People pop off like crazy a lot in this scene (that one dude vs Unknown in the Halls of Hype) without taking it like that. Of course, can't know everything that's going on at the time.
 
mbpm1 said:
Well if Viscant vs LTG can make it...anything can I guess

I didn't really see why anybody would get mad like that at the dude tbh. People pop off like crazy a lot in this scene (that one dude vs Unknown in the Halls of Hype) without taking it like that. Of course, can't know everything that's going on at the time.
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Because I'm going to be real, some people feel differently about pop offs. Something some consider "hype" can be considered rude and offensive to others. Like I don't know what you guys think but there are real people on the other sides of those things. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm just trying to let you know that yeah, what Shinblade was doing wasn't cool or appropriate. Did he deserve to get grabbed? No. Just saying there are reasons for people to be upset when some dude is jumping on a chair screaming in your friends' faces.

This is why I wrote that thing on SRK. People don't consider how others feel about the environment and this type of thing in general. You can have your hype and your worldstar moments, but like actual people with actual feelings were heavily affected by it and it's actually incredibly shitty. Not aimed at you specifically, but in general I'll probably avoid this entire thing unless people show respect to it, which I do not expect.
 
AnneIFrank said:
Because I'm going to be real, some people feel differently about pop offs. Something some consider "hype" can be considered rude and offensive to others. Like I don't know what you guys think but there are real people on the other sides of those things. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm just trying to let you know that yeah, what Shinblade was doing wasn't cool or appropriate. Did he deserve to get grabbed? No. Just saying there are reasons for people to be upset when some dude is jumping on a chair screaming in your friends' faces.
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One of the most compelling reasons why I even play in tournaments in the first place is having the chance to silence a player or crowd like that. The only thing as satisfying as sucking the air out of a room like that is riding the hype of your equally nutty friends. TooMuchDamage told us that the only reason he could even scrape with Justin as well as he did was because the whole front row was going apeshit for him, in a manner that's probably not too unlike what's seen in that video.

The very first person I beat in tournament after moving to the south was Pokchop. I assume you know who that is, so you can imagine that I found the whole incident hilarious. Any tournament that puts a leash on that kind of energy sounds kinda lame tbh.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
One of the most compelling reasons why I even play in tournaments in the first place is to silence a player or crowd like that. The only thing as satisfying to sucking the air out of the room like that is riding the hype of your equally nutty friends.

The very first person I beat in tournament after moving to the south was Pokchop. I assume you know who that is, so you can imagine that I found the whole incident hilarious. Any tournament that puts a leash on that kind of energy sounds kinda lame tbh.
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Well consider me lame, but I want to avoid incidents like this happening anymore. Sorry. Avoiding fights and people getting really hurt physically or emotionally is higher on my priority list than hype.

Edit: For the record if somebody comes to me about this I am 100% ready to do what I need to do. Just nobody ever will. Sigh.
 
Y'all acting like LTG vs Viscant is the first FGC Worldstar video smh

I've seen:

Combofiend's BIONIC AAAAAAAAAAARM
Noel Brown's version of the BIONIC AAAAAARMMMMMM
Daigo Parry

Now:

Gamer nerd fends off bully
 
but aren't hype popoffs what separates us from the clinical, sterilized ESPoRtS!?

AnneIFrank you know the only way to fix this don't you?

your friend vs shinblade FT10 stream event with all proceeds going to charity.
 
Topanga should be announcing the players participating at Tokaigi (31st-Feb 1st) later today. I'm pretty sure I saw a list a while agi and it was Daigo, Bonchan, Tokido (though it looks like he sprained his hand or something), Momochi, and Mago. I think Nyanshi also said their part of the event takes place on the 1st so it doesn't interfere with the SFV event.



Also

:lol at eventhubs top 50 player rankings
 
AnneIFrank said:
Well consider me lame, but I want to avoid incidents like this happening anymore. Sorry. Avoiding fights and people getting really hurt physically or emotionally is higher on my priority list than hype.

Edit: For the record if somebody comes to me about this I am 100% ready to do what I need to do. Just nobody ever will. Sigh.
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Is there a lot more to this incident than what's in the video? It's hard for me to understand why you'd be upset otherwise. She wasn't even playing, the guys who were playing seemed to be in good spirits, and the person with the most unruly language that's audible in the clip is someone else yelling at the dude.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
Is there a lot more to this incident than what's in the video? It's hard for me to understand why you'd be upset otherwise. She wasn't even playing and the guys who were seemed to be in good spirits.
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Yes. Even then I'd be upset that this happened anyways. Anyways I actually can't get into super specifics of what happened for reasons, mostly due to the physical nature of the matter. Consequences happened, and I'm still upset with everybody involved. All I wanna say here is that it's shitty, could've been handled differently, show some respect, and think about more than just "oh hype or dumb shit".
 
AnneIFrank, your friend was in the wrong. I watched both videos both angles.

She has no right what so ever (by LAW) to touch him like she did.

The other player sitting down was not upset at all was going along with it till she stepped in.

She was not even playing in that team tournament what gave her any right at all to go in like that and touch another player?

If you are gonna throw this other player in the bus over this I hope you provide AMPLE evidence.
 
I'm not saying she's right, I said her behavior was unacceptable and consequences happened. What I'm saying is it never should have happened, and Shinblade was being over excessive and upsetting multiple people. There's multiple angles to everything, and what I'm saying is as far as I'm concerned there needs to be a better handle on stuff like this.

It's not evidence or a court of whatever internet law everybody seems to go by. It's about the fact that because of the behavior of both people this incident happened and could've gotten much worse, and people are already dealing with all sorts of shit because of this without the online FGC adding to it.
 
It's hard to not hear "Guys, stop having fun, your fun is hurting people" when the great offense here is a dude celebrating in a mostly non-antagonistic way. I wouldn't even say he went too far or anything. Grabbing someone, that's too far.
 
Riposte said:
It's hard to not hear "Guys, stop having fun, your fun is hurting people" when the great offense hear is a dude celebrating in a mostly non-antagonistic way. I wouldn't even say he went too far or anything. Grabbing someone, that's too far.
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Honestly people can call me lame or an asshole or whatever, but I'm actually saying "stop having fun, your fun is hurting people". Your fun is not always the fun of other people. Grabbing somebody is def not the answer, but if she had come to me instead I would of talked to the players and decided on a better action, and I would've put a lid on the pop offs. That obviously didn't happen and things had to go in a different direction.
 
AnneIFrank said:
Honestly people can call me lame or an asshole or whatever, but I'm actually saying "stop having fun, your fun is hurting people". Your fun is not always the fun of other people. Grabbing somebody is def not the answer, but if she had come to me instead I would of talked to the players and decided on a better action, and I would've put a lid on the pop offs. That obviously didn't happen and things had to go in a different direction.
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I expressed what I meant poorly. Of course, you can have fun at someone's expense, but it comes to the point where the fact people are having fun (being happy, etc.) bothers you, which sounds ridiculous, but that's for lack of proper explanation. Did I miss slurs being thrown? Destructive behavior? Whatever, I guess we do live in a world where touchdown dances are banned, so that sentiment must exist even in the FGC.

I'm more annoyed at the idea that this drama may have been brought up in another thread to criticize the FGC lol. Getting suddenly awkwardly grabbed is not a fistfight, although it could have been if the dude had less patience.
 
Riposte said:
I'm more annoyed at the idea that this drama may have been brought up in another thread to criticize the FGC lol. Getting suddenly awkwardly grabbed is not a fistfight, although it could have been if the dude had less patience.
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Imagine how much of an irreparable internet shitstorm this would have already been had the positions of the two participants been reversed. Not that I'm not already expecting plenty of words on it anyway.
 
AnneIFrank said:
Because I'm going to be real, some people feel differently about pop offs. Something some consider "hype" can be considered rude and offensive to others. Like I don't know what you guys think but there are real people on the other sides of those things. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm just trying to let you know that yeah, what Shinblade was doing wasn't cool or appropriate. Did he deserve to get grabbed? No. Just saying there are reasons for people to be upset when some dude is jumping on a chair screaming in your friends' faces.

This is why I wrote that thing on SRK. People don't consider how others feel about the environment and this type of thing in general. You can have your hype and your worldstar moments, but like actual people with actual feelings were heavily affected by it and it's actually incredibly shitty. Not aimed at you specifically, but in general I'll probably avoid this entire thing unless people show respect to it, which I do not expect.
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People are wired differently. Some are sensitive to the feelings of others around them, and discord can make those kinds of folk very uncomfortable. Goes the other way around, too, though: Some people just aren't wired to give a shit about how others feel - not in the sense of being an asshole or otherwise malicious, but more ignorant.

No matter what anyone does, someone will probably be offended about it, it's an inevitable fact of life. Trying to enforce "people should not be offended" as a rule just ends up wronging the latter kind of people - superficial harmony, feeling stifled inside because you can't be yourself, because you bloody well can't speak your mind. It's shitty. It leaves you unable to be direct. And it gets progressively shittier because once it's the norm, being "offended" or "hurt" turns into a tool of control, and the whole thing gets out of control and good things get ruined.

And it's not like the conflict stops. It just ceases to be overt, plain, blunt. It turns into resentment and passive aggression.

Finally, subcultures exist for a goddamn reason. Everything cannot be for everyone, and everything should not be for everyone. I'm not talking about the FGC as a whole here, mind you. But events with different expectations wouldn't hurt, I think.
 
AnneIFrank said:
Honestly people can call me lame or an asshole or whatever, but I'm actually saying "stop having fun, your fun is hurting people". Your fun is not always the fun of other people. Grabbing somebody is def not the answer, but if she had come to me instead I would of talked to the players and decided on a better action, and I would've put a lid on the pop offs. That obviously didn't happen and things had to go in a different direction.
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While I definitely prefer inclusiveness over exclusivity ... maybe someone sensitive to people getting loud and excited shouldn't be in an environment where getting loud and excited is normal and accepted.

"Your fun is not always the fun of other people" can go both ways here ... if this guy's popoff was not harming or threatening anyone then it's pretty hard to justify placing the blame on him.
 
I'm on the side of "if something is bothering you, find somebody who can help deal with it."

That didn't happen, and the expectation for that in the FGC at events doesn't exist. Some people (like me) just wanna play video games and not have to deal with people slamming chairs around and calling people names and being super aggressive like that. I'd rather when people feel uncomfortable they talk to somebody in charge who can help rectify the situation. I'm not asking for anything unreasonable I feel like, but I guess I am?

I just don't get why fighting game events have to be loud and rowdy and why the subculture exists to be super aggressive and rock with shit like this. I know why they are, but I don't know why they have to be like that.

Idk, I guess myself and others really aren't cut out for this shit, hence a lot of people I know (including myself) decided to stop going to as many events or engaging with the scene. It's like every time I even get a tiny bit close to the scene unfortunate incident after unfortunate incident happens and I'm tired of explaining it.

There are real criticisms of the scene to be had here but ya know whatever. I guess I'm done here.
 
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