Fighting Games Weekly | Jan 12-18 | DaiGOAT

Azure J said:
OK, what's happening here?
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Worldstar, old chap.
 
Anth0ny said:
It stems from arcade culture. Arcades were loud and rowdy back in the day, too.

Many players wear noise cancelling headphones nowadays to drown that shit out.
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I might be wrong but I think Annel is talking more about people being super aggresive (and gratuitously) towards other people more than just being noisy.
 
AnneIFrank said:
Because I'm going to be real, some people feel differently about pop offs. Something some consider "hype" can be considered rude and offensive to others. Like I don't know what you guys think but there are real people on the other sides of those things. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm just trying to let you know that yeah, what Shinblade was doing wasn't cool or appropriate. Did he deserve to get grabbed? No. Just saying there are reasons for people to be upset when some dude is jumping on a chair screaming in your friends' faces.

This is why I wrote that thing on SRK. People don't consider how others feel about the environment and this type of thing in general. You can have your hype and your worldstar moments, but like actual people with actual feelings were heavily affected by it and it's actually incredibly shitty. Not aimed at you specifically, but in general I'll probably avoid this entire thing unless people show respect to it, which I do not expect.
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I'm sorry dude, but even the next person who sat down was laughing at it. When you start making money off the bets, you get hype. If you don't like it, then don't be around it. What he did was completely appropriate. He got hype because he's sweeping people on a team. He shouldn't get excited and continue the trash talk? She was out of line. He was in the midst of sitting back down and she comes out of nowhere to grab him.
 
AnneIFrank said:
I just don't get why fighting game events have to be loud and rowdy and why the subculture exists to be super aggressive and rock with shit like this. I know why they are, but I don't know why they have to be like that.

There are real criticisms of the scene to be had here but ya know whatever. I guess I'm done here.
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It's a high pressure situation with money potentially on the line. Well at least it is in some cases. I can see how anyone would need some kind of outlet and release for all the pent up stress and emotions, even when you won.

Since I am antisocial misanthrope I just settle for posting random shit on message boards, which is a more subdued equivalent of yelling at a cloud or shouting in an empty room.

Honestly I am not sure how you can have a competitive game or anything without someone getting hurt in the process. Playing to your absolute best and being satisfied with the outcome even when you lose sounds like a rather rare occurrence to me.
 
gutabo said:
I might be wrong but I think Annel is talking more about people being super aggresive (and gratuitously) towards other people more than just being noisy.
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Pretty much, but that was like 30 seconds. Victory lap, 1 second taunt, money stuff, get ready to play
 
AnneIFrank said:
Some people (like me) just wanna play video games and not have to deal with people slamming chairs around and calling people names and being super aggressive like that.
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I didn't see any chair slamming, name-calling, or super aggression. Not until one person (a bystander, at that) decided to get physical, anyway.

The most verbally aggressive person in that video before things got too real was some other heckler in the crowd cursing at the dude, too.

I am completely open to the idea that this clip could be out of context, but there's not much here for me to work with.

There are real criticisms of the scene to be had here but ya know whatever. I guess I'm done here.
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Vaguely commenting about "real criticisms" and then brushing it off with "whatever" is poor form. I'm all for criticism, but it needs to be constructive.
 
SweetJohnnyCage said:
I'm sorry dude, but even the next person who sat down was laughing at it. When you start making money off the bets, you get hype. If you don't like it, then don't be around it. What he did was completely appropriate. He got hype because he's sweeping people on a team. He shouldn't get excited and continue the trash talk? She was out of line. He was in the midst of sitting back down and she comes out of nowhere to grab him.
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This is the response I expected form more or less every TO in existence. What he did was inappropriate, he does not need to be slamming down chairs and yelling and all that shit. The response was far more than needed to happen and was way out of line, but I'm not going to excuse his behavior or anything that came after. There were clearly more people than her uncomfortable with what was happening, you weren't there, you don't know these people, you have no fucking idea other than a one and half minute video.

Like I said if this is how we handle excitement and think it's a good thign I'm done here, you guys can keep your shitty little subculture and the rest of us who aren't comfortable with it are actually going to move the fuck out.

"I didn't see any chair slamming, name-calling, or super aggression. Not until one person (a bystander, at that) decided to get physical, anyway."

Because you saw a 1 minute video of a 10 minute match.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
I didn't see any chair slamming, name-calling, or super aggression. Not until one person (a bystander, at that) decided to get physical, anyway.

The most verbally aggressive person in that video before things got too real was some other heckler in the crowd cursing at the dude, too.

I am completely open to the idea that this clip could be out of context, but there's not much here for me to work with.


Vaguely commenting about "real criticisms" and then brushing it off with "whatever" is poor form. I'm all for criticism, but it needs to be constructive.
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I've seen that level of super aggression before at majors, and I've had it done to me, and it made me feel uncomfortable once.

Certain things should be policed, like yelling in someone's ear during a match. Then again, this is why I stopped putting in the work and going to tournies- I just outgrew the culture and now only do it to support friends.

I still enjoy the games, but only online now.

As long as you're not a complete moron, you can find a way to pop off without making people uncomfortable.
 
AnneIFrank said:
This is the response I expected form more or less every TO in existence. What he did was inappropriate, he does not need to be slamming down chairs and yelling and all that shit. The response was far more than needed to happen and was way out of line, but I'm not going to excuse his behavior or anything that came after. There were clearly more people than her uncomfortable with what was happening, you weren't there, you don't know these people, you have no fucking idea other than a one and half minute video.

Like I said if this is how we handle excitement and think it's a good thign I'm done here, you guys can keep your shitty little subculture and the rest of us who aren't comfortable with it are actually going to move the fuck out.

"I didn't see any chair slamming, name-calling, or super aggression. Not until one person (a bystander, at that) decided to get physical, anyway."

Because you saw a 1 minute video of a 10 minute match.
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I respect your opinion but I think you're getting a bit defensive here instead of trying to, you know, talk a bit more about it and get a conversation going. Maybe it's too close to you in some personal aspect or you're a very sensitive person which is completely fine. In that sense, it may look like instead of opening up the discussion you're shutting it down. I suggest you consider changing your approach a bit if possible, you might not want to talk about it anymore and that's fine too. I think talking about it is better tho.
 
AnneIFrank said:
This is the response I expected form more or less every TO in existence. What he did was inappropriate, he does not need to be slamming down chairs and yelling and all that shit. The response was far more than needed to happen and was way out of line, but I'm not going to excuse his behavior or anything that came after. There were clearly more people than her uncomfortable with what was happening, you weren't there, you don't know these people, you have no fucking idea other than a one and half minute video.

Like I said if this is how we handle excitement and think it's a good thign I'm done here, you guys can keep your shitty little subculture and the rest of us who aren't comfortable with it are actually going to move the fuck out.

"I didn't see any chair slamming, name-calling, or super aggression. Not until one person (a bystander, at that) decided to get physical, anyway."

Because you saw a 1 minute video of a 10 minute match.
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IDK man, I'm trying to understand how you are feeling this way, but I just don't see it. Have you ever gambled? Do you not get hype when you win something, especially when you do it two times in a row? Do you not get excited when you put your team on your back and push through? Do you understand the mental stress that comes with doing anything competitive at a high level? Do you understand that people need to physically and audibly release this pent up energy? It's what happens when emotions run high.

Why do you think some people cry or laugh after sex? There's so much emotion and energy running through your brain and body that it has to come out. It's the same thing that happens during half time speeches in football, or when someone hits a home run when the team is behind. The player goes back into the dugout and screams and yells and gets hype to rally everyone around him to put them in a positive mindset for their next at-bat.

This dude was feeling himself and getting everyone hype. It's not just about him. It's about the people around him. I just don't understand how you see an issue with this.
 
Yeah, but do you see pop offs in individual sports like that, outside of combat sports?
There's a reason you don't- those folks have a culture that keeps it in check.
 
I personally feel that Shin went too far and needed to be seated down. I've never been to a tourney but if I ever do in the future I'll need those noise cancelling headphones.
 
alstein said:
Yeah, but do you see pop offs in individual sports like that, outside of combat sports?
There's a reason you don't- those folks have a culture that keeps it in check.
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Man I see Tennis pop offs all the time. Probly see Tiger Woods pop off or some shit in the past too.
 
Yeah I'm definitely not seeing what's wrong here and no one is trying to explain why it's so wrong other than "people were uncomfortable" which could've been easily solved by removing themselves from the area.
 
Marz said:
Man I see Tennis pop offs all the time. Probly see Tiger Woods pop off or some shit in the past too.
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You don't see them scream in someone's face as part of the pop off. It's not the popping off that folks are complaining about, it's the directed nature of it. Joy is fine. In your face taunting isn't.


It's taunting, even in team sports that carries consequences.
 
Yeah , trust me I know. I've played in tournaments, I've won tournaments, I've yelled and gotten loud and had a good time. My problem comes when you do that and it's in a way that's aggressive towards others and leads to things like this happening. Just because you beat somebody in a video game, you're entitled to be a huge ass? I mean I guess that's cool, sure. Like get loud, get hype, feel yourself. But don't just sit there and start trying to start more aggressive shit until this happens.

If you guys must know, one of the players on the other team said something or another and Shinblade decided to say "oh you'll pay for that smart ass". So when things got going, he had to play. He won, told the other guy to stand up, then slammed the chair down and said "you, smart ass, sit your ass down", then won and proceeded to go into that chair slamming and grandstanding dance. He basically targeted somebody and went in. Too hard. A f close friend let emotions get the best of them and there you have it.

I was told not to go into it too much by my directors but fuck it. I honestly do not care anymore.
 
alstein said:
You don't see them scream in someone's face as part of the pop off. It's not the popping off that folks are complaining about, it's the directed nature of it.

It's taunting, even in team sports that carries consequences.
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well from the video, his opponent + the majority of the crowd look like they were taking it in a light-hearted manner. he might have overreacted but not to the extent where someone had to physically confront him.
 
I'm sorry Annel, I just... can't support any conclusions you come to based on the information you're willing to disclose regarding the circumstances. Sounds to me like you're too close to the one of the parties to judge the incident fairly. Going by what has been shown and has been said, the only conclusion I can come to is that the female was just being a sore loser on some else's behalf and was being hyper-sensitive at best, nefarious at worst (#gamersgate).

Catabolic trash talk and the cathartic release of competitive tension isn't something intrinsic to the FGC - it's a competitive staple. It's probably the most human element of competition. People that are emotionally harmed by such an ultimately harmless thing... I think it's fair game to state they need to grow thicker skin.

I think one of the best life lessons competitive environments provide is how to deal with absolute, embarrassing and/or crushing failure.

The world is not your oyster, you only deserve what you work for and no one is obliged to feel sympathy for your loss.
 
EarlyEarly said:
Dudes can play online and avoid all of it. Dude pops off just disconnect.
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So tournament should be unsafe spaces? Way to grow a community.

It's easier for people to learn to not be dumbasses. I can understand someone young being dumb, I was dumb myself once, but someone needs to set him aside and let him know not to do that again, especially if the taunting thing was legit.

If you want to see popping off with class, look at most of your Evo popoffs. Those popoffs weren't personal.
 
AnneIFrank said:
If you guys must know, one of the players on the other team said something or another and Shinblade decided to say "oh you'll pay for that smart ass". So when things got going, he had to play. He won, told the other guy to stand up, then slammed the chair down and said "you, smart ass, sit your ass down", then won and proceeded to go into that chair slamming and grandstanding dance. He basically targeted somebody and went in. Too hard. A f close friend let emotions get the best of them and there you have it.
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That's it?
 
Also you know what happens when somebody starts a fight or goes too hard in professional sporting events? They get fined or penalized or removed fomr the game.

and yeah I guess that's it. I guess yelling and screaming and doing that shit and getting up in people's faces wasn't enough? But ya know, he didn't call anybody a slur or touch somebody so he's alright. The dude's always been an overly aggressive asshole.
 
AnneIFrank said:
Yeah , trust me I know. I've played in tournaments, I've won tournaments, I've yelled and gotten loud and had a good time. My problem comes when you do that and it's in a way that's aggressive towards others and leads to things like this happening. Just because you beat somebody in a video game, you're entitled to be a huge ass? I mean I guess that's cool, sure. Like get loud, get hype, feel yourself. But don't just sit there and start trying to start more aggressive shit until this happens.

If you guys must know, one of the players on the other team said something or another and Shinblade decided to say "oh you'll pay for that smart ass". So when things got going, he had to play. He won, told the other guy to stand up, then slammed the chair down and said "you, smart ass, sit your ass down", then won and proceeded to go into that chair slamming and grandstanding dance. He basically targeted somebody and went in. Too hard. A f close friend let emotions get the best of them and there you have it.

I was told not to go into it too much by my directors but fuck it. I honestly do not care anymore.
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yeah that's how you felt about the situation. did the person who was being 'targetted' complain though?
 
SweetJohnnyCage said:
Need more examples?
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Those are professional, get-paid-several-million athletes too. If you want to see some pop offs, go to your local basketball court and/or gym hahaha. That shit is half the fun.

FGC is going to be more like street ball than the NBA for most situations. If no one is being hurt, then it's questionable how much of an issue that is. I would argue it is anti-inclusive to moderate people's attitudes to one brand, the family-friendly one they force athletes into to maximize marketing dollars.

EDIT: Haha, not that I want to be trolling people by saying this. I just don't agree.
 
alstein said:
So tournament should be unsafe spaces? Way to grow a community.

It's easier for people to learn to not be dumbasses. I can understand someone young being dumb, I was dumb myself once, but someone needs to set him aside and let him know not to do that again, especially if the taunting thing was legit.

If you want to see popping off with class, look at most of your Evo popoffs. Those popoffs weren't personal.
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Yea that tournament was real unsafe. I mean that woman just ran up and grabbed the dude. They should probably have security for the players.
 
AnneIFrank said:
If you guys must know, one of the players on the other team said something or another and Shinblade decided to say "oh you'll pay for that smart ass". So when things got going, he had to play. He won, told the other guy to stand up, then slammed the chair down and said "you, smart ass, sit your ass down", then won and proceeded to go into that chair slamming and grandstanding dance. He basically targeted somebody and went in. Too hard. A f close friend let emotions get the best of them and there you have it.
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If my opponent acted like that I'd refuse to play the match. I go to events to have fun playing games, not to act like an aggressive jerkwad (playstyle aside). Count me in on the "no-fun" brigade, I guess.

Even if the other guy was okay with it, acting like that in a public environment is rude and obnoxious, and frankly, it makes us all look like out-of-control kids.
 
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