Fighting Games Weekly | July 22-28 | Life's A Beech

Unlucky

Member
Ryan Hart ‏@RyanJosephHart 24s
I'm all booked for VXG, the VXG guys were really helpful in finding a solution for me. I'm really happy I'll be able to compete!


Ryan Hart ‏@RyanJosephHart 35s
I'm glad to hear WhiteBlack is being sorted out as well, I was worried about this. I look forward to watching him beat people on Marvel! :D
 

El Sloth

Banned
I went into it a little last week you can do some research about Marvel and it's intensely hand-on licensing practices.

If one company licenses something from another- the licensee has nothing to lose. Marvel is guaranteed money [big money, when it comes to marvel and its properties] no matter what, as well as a percentage of sales and usually other allowances.
Often, when it comes to big corporate licensing of things- the company licensing things out doesn't care very much. So long as the products adhere to some basic rules, they don't care. Guaranteed money, exposure of the brand, etc.

Marvel likes to be involved. As an entity they have full creative control over all of its IPs and it's 100% up to them how every aspect of their IPs are represented in-game.
If they wanted Magneto to shoot fishheads instead of beams, Capcom would have to comply, not include Magneto, or argue for a long time across a board room.
Marvel wants this- Capcom wants this and they have to eventually meet somewhere in-between where both parties are somewhat satisfied.

If Capcom wants to touch anything involved with the Marvel IP, they will need to re-negotiate their agreement, guarantee Marvel more money, go over every proposed change to make sure it's 'ok' in a broad sense [involving more lawyers and more money] and go into all kinds of hassle.
Even if it involves minor game tweaks and balances that only change internal aspects- Marvel needs to be involved and given a bunch of money just for the fact that it's 'their stuff'


TLDR Example Boardroom Sequence


Capcom- 'We would like to do a game update'

Marvel- 'Most excellent, here is our flat fee needed -and how much more revenue should this generate as far as the projected percentage we can expect in additional sales of the video-game?'

Capcom- '....Not much? We are doing it due to fan requests and to give back to the community that supports the game.'

Marvel- 'Ah. Then our guaranteed fee will need to be increased exponentially as there would be far fewer residuals.'

Capom-'... and how much-'

Marvel- ' A million zillion trillion dollars.'

Capcom- '.....'

Marvel- 'In silver dollars and holographic doubloons.'
Cool, thanks for educating me. I must have missed your other post. I get it now.
 

jbug617

Banned
Ryan Hart ‏@RyanJosephHart 24s
I'm all booked for VXG, the VXG guys were really helpful in finding a solution for me. I'm really happy I'll be able to compete!


Ryan Hart ‏@RyanJosephHart 35s
I'm glad to hear WhiteBlack is being sorted out as well, I was worried about this. I look forward to watching him beat people on Marvel! :D

They going to Da Beech. I wonder if Kane Blue River is getting hooked up also.
 
I feel like for the biggest tournaments, there should be a "statistician" of sorts on each commentary team who's at a computer looking up background information on the players and on matchup history that he can then feed to the commentators.

I tried to feed info to the commentators whenever I could during UFGT, like where the players were from and when they had faced before, etc. (If you ever heard or saw the commentators stop talking for a moment to listen to what some random person was saying, that random person was probably me.)

At Evo, PR Balrog played Kerahime on stream in Marvel quarterfinals, and I deeply regret not running up to the commentary desk in order to mention that Kerahime holds the World Record for Donkey Kong Country any% with a time of 8 minutes, 35 seconds.
What the hell? How do you beat DKC in 8 and a half minutes?
 
oh, there's gonna be a patch.

it's called Marvel vs Capcom 4 and it's gonna be on PS4/X1 in a few years. that's your goddamn patch.
 

Unlucky

Member
They going to Da Beech. I wonder if Kane Blue River is getting hooked up also.
I don't think so. Ryan Hart and WhiteBlack were promised trips to VxG (on account of winning qualifiers or smth) by the TOs, and then travel plans fell through and needed to be rearranged. Not so KBR:

Nicolas Gonzalez ‏@KaneBlueriverCL 22 Jul
@muzras @itsyoboyrolando @thevxgames They said it was a misunderstanding and that they always expected me to go by myself over there.
 

Kalamari

Member
man totally off topic but what is up with that bbcp cover art for the standard release lol. Targeting that demographic

I wonder if someone will be upset by the lack of Makoto on either cover? lol

Those are just the Japanese covers, I would expect to see a different cover for the US release.
 

QisTopTier

XisBannedTier
I wonder if someone will be upset by the lack of Makoto on either cover? lol

Those are just the Japanese covers, I would expect to see a different cover for the US release.
Pretty sure the standard release is the one with all the characters on it.

Special editions normally get the special artwork covers like that.

I don't care about the lack of Makoto on the cover :p

The special edition cover is spoiler though :p
 
Finally browsing this thread with images on and lmao these Beach avatars are hilarious.
Can someone give Mega Drive guy some shades?
 
i just watched it. it requires dying a certain way in the first level that jumps you ahead by a ton of levels, then using the bird to jump you even further. changing some RAM numbers i'm gonna guess.

http://www.twitch.tv/kerahime/c/2415937

There's a warp that he does between 1:11 and 2:13 that warps him from World 1 to World 6. He also performs a trick at 5:23 that allows him to complete level 6-5 much faster. (I believe it's a 1 frame trick as well.) Nearly 3 minutes of the run is the last two boss fights.
I am no longer impressed or care.
 
Most of us don't know how hard it is or the logistics of getting a Marvel patch. Your opinions are just that, opinions. They don't mean anything if you have no idea what your talking about.
 

K.Sabot

Member
Reported Makoto changes currently via someone who asked combo and goes to the SRK makoto forum.

"Makoto is going to be top tier in ultra.
I spoke to combo at evo. Here's what you guys want to know.

U2 fire ball invulnerable
U1 damage nerf
1000 life
Fukiage hits grounded opponents
Larger cross up hit box on j.mk
EX Oroshi throw invulnerable"

V-Ryu on the changes.

"For now, only EX version hits grounded opponent.
It seems to be VERY strong, since you can do:

- f+LP > ex fuki, or crLK/crMP os ex fuki.
- Jump attack OS ex fuki
- air to air > land > ex fuki crossdown mixuo
- ex fuki > ultra2
Etc"

Makoto top tier would be pretty hype to watch. Also HALLELUJAH for finding a use for her 3 frame f.lp. Of course these are subject to change, unfortunately.
 

Edgeward

Member
Late to this, but it's never too late to state my allegiance to #TeamPurity

That goatee is making Viscant an angry man


And fuck those Mak changes
 
Reported Makoto changes currently via someone who asked combo and goes to the SRK makoto forum.

"Makoto is going to be top tier in ultra.
I spoke to combo at evo. Here's what you guys want to know.

U2 fire ball invulnerable
U1 damage nerf
1000 life
Fukiage hits grounded opponents
Larger cross up hit box on j.mk
EX Oroshi throw invulnerable"


V-Ryu on the changes.

"For now, only EX version hits grounded opponent.
It seems to be VERY strong, since you can do:

- f+LP > ex fuki, or crLK/crMP os ex fuki.
- Jump attack OS ex fuki
- air to air > land > ex fuki crossdown mixuo
- ex fuki > ultra2
Etc"

Makoto top tier would be pretty hype to watch. Also HALLELUJAH for finding a use for her 3 frame f.lp. Of course these are subject to change, unfortunately.
makoto_cheer_zps7c7f505e.gif
 

K.Sabot

Member
Eh... I don't know about that. I personally wouldn't be too happy about it. :<

Haitani in top 32 was amazing to watch and there aren't going to be that many people who pick her up even if she was top 5. She'll probably be like Adon, just quietly sitting there while being top tier.
 

Grecco

Member
Haitani in top 32 was amazing to watch and there aren't going to be that many people who pick her up even if she was top 5. She'll probably be like Adon, just quietly sitting there while being top tier.

I dont know why more people dont pick up adon
 

QisTopTier

XisBannedTier
I decided to learn him and picked him up today doing the trials to start he seems really cool


plus i just saw Only God Forgives and the whole kickboxing thing is cool
He's pretty simple to use honestly, you just gotta get the whole TK input down.
 
Makoto top tier would be pretty hype to watch. Also HALLELUJAH for finding a use for her 3 frame f.lp. Of course these are subject to change, unfortunately.

Changes look good but I don't think it'll make difference to people playing her. Still, I look forward to seeing V-Ryu do amazing things with them in youtube videos.
 
Reported Makoto changes currently via someone who asked combo and goes to the SRK makoto forum.

"Makoto is going to be top tier in ultra.
I spoke to combo at evo. Here's what you guys want to know.

U2 fire ball invulnerable
U1 damage nerf
1000 life
Fukiage hits grounded opponents
Larger cross up hit box on j.mk
EX Oroshi throw invulnerable"

V-Ryu on the changes.

"For now, only EX version hits grounded opponent.
It seems to be VERY strong, since you can do:

- f+LP > ex fuki, or crLK/crMP os ex fuki.
- Jump attack OS ex fuki
- air to air > land > ex fuki crossdown mixuo
- ex fuki > ultra2
Etc"

Makoto top tier would be pretty hype to watch. Also HALLELUJAH for finding a use for her 3 frame f.lp. Of course these are subject to change, unfortunately.
Someone tell Threi, he's gonna be thrilled.
 

Lost Fragment

Obsessed with 4chan
Can't really complain until you see all the changes though. Reset mix ups are a different beast than knockdown mix ups as well.

Yeah lots of characters are getting buffed so buffing Makoto might make more sense in that context.

Not sure what you're getting at with resets/knockdown mixups.
 

K.Sabot

Member
Changes look good but I don't think it'll make difference to people playing her. Still, I look forward to seeing V-Ryu do amazing things with them in youtube videos.

Already making the option selects in my head.

backthrow -> dash -> neutral jump -> j.mk OS ex fuki would cover

-specific reversals
-grounded and airborn backdashes
-any attemps to jump away (would get caught by the j mk)
 

Astarte

Member
The ability to follow with moves into and out of Dan's taunt would be amazing; it's a fun dispensing move that never ends!
 

OceanBlue

Member
Haitani in top 32 was amazing to watch and there aren't going to be that many people who pick her up even if she was top 5. She'll probably be like Adon, just quietly sitting there while being top tier.
I guess that's true. There are already quite a few notable Makoto players in Japan though, if I remember correctly.

Actually, they are. The trio pict is for the LE and the group shot is the standard.
That makes a lot more sense. Should be better for people who are worried about that sort of thing. I think the group shot looks better so I'm glad I'm getting the SE. :D

I hope I can play with some people here once I import the game. It'll basically be my first Blazblue so I'm looking forward to learning it with people here.
 

K.Sabot

Member
I guess that's true. There are already quite a few notable Makoto players in Japan though, if I remember correctly.

Every time I see a 5 or 3 team of just Makoto players, they get bodied by Itazan. Haitani seems like the only Makoto that's done anything worthy of note.
 
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