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Fighting Games Weekly | June 1-7 | QAisTopTier

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Sayad

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petghost said:
How many people in this thread have never Mained a male character or are way more drawn to females in fgs? How about the opposite? I don't really care what sex the char is myself but I feel like a lot of people stick to one gender ie I think max said he prefers to play male characters.
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I usually end up with either females or freaks, though I did play some regular male characters too. Don't really have something I avoid.
 
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Tripon

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GG has always been Otaku bait. Because you know, they are trying to appeal to their audience. That applies to all the characters.
 
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Village

Member
FSLink said:
Caught up with the UMvC3 archives earlier. Clockwork is my hero.
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Speaking mvc3 archives

Odd question fgw gaf

Could i possibly find the threads from announcement to the release of mvc3 and uvc3? I'm interested to see what the reaction was
 
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Crocodile

Member
Dahbomb said:
Breh... that character is otaku bait.

Cool mechanics/playstyle... but definitely otaku bait.

If you need to be explained how it's an otaku bait then either you need to watch more anime or you are probably an otaku yourself.
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Usually when I think of "female characters made specifically to appeal to otaku" I usually envision specific stereotypical personalities or character archetypes (kuudere, tsundere, yandere, deredere, etc.). My only point was that I didn't think we knew enough about this character to say definitively she falls into those sorts of tropes (but I could be under-informed I admit). If fanservice was the only issue, wouldn't like I-No fall into that description as well? If cuteness is the issue does May fall into this? I think a good argument could be made that the Valentine sisters fall into this but I at least feel better informed about them to make a judgement.
 
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Lostconfused

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Crocodile said:
Usually when I think of "female characters made specifically to appeal to otaku" I usually envision specific stereotypical personalities or character archetypes (kuudere, tsundere, yandere, deredere, etc.).
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It's the difference between this character and I-No, or Bayonetta even. It's the facial characteristics and expressions, Jack-O is pleasant and comfortable where is a character like Bayonetta can be perceived as Intimidating or Domineering.
 
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call_kotaku

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I thought otaku weren't into girls with generous proportions? I'm not too familiar with the popular tropes these days, usually in anime I just see the same teenager with a different hairstyle and I turn it off at the first panty shot.

Anime is such garbage
 
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Parallax Scroll

Banned
petghost said:
How many people in this thread have never Mained a male character or are way more drawn to females in fgs? How about the opposite? I don't really care what sex the char is myself but I feel like a lot of people stick to one gender ie I think max said he prefers to play male characters.
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Kitana in MK2 is the only example I can think of where I mained a female character. Usually I play as dudes.

Edit: NM, I also played Sophitia in most of the Soul games.
 
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OceanBlue

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petghost said:
How many people in this thread have never Mained a male character or are way more drawn to females in fgs? How about the opposite? I don't really care what sex the char is myself but I feel like a lot of people stick to one gender ie I think max said he prefers to play male characters.
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I think it's rare to find people who make it a hard rule. I've only met one person who has never mained a female character, and I don't think I know anyone who would never main a male character.
 
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jerry1594

Member
petghost said:
How many people in this thread have never Mained a male character or are way more drawn to females in fgs? How about the opposite? I don't really care what sex the char is myself but I feel like a lot of people stick to one gender ie I think max said he prefers to play male characters.
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I play whoever looks fun. I like high speed characters which somewhat skews towards girls, but my fundamentals are nonexistent so I'm sticking to solid ground characters lately. Pretty much all dudes.
 
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ArclightBorealis

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petghost said:
How many people in this thread have never Mained a male character or are way more drawn to females in fgs? How about the opposite? I don't really care what sex the char is myself but I feel like a lot of people stick to one gender ie I think max said he prefers to play male characters.
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In most cases I pretty much always pick the female characters more due to function than anything in terms of design. I like faster, more lightweight characters than anything slow or heavy, and the former is more often than not applied to female characters.
 
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vulva

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petghost said:
How many people in this thread have never Mained a male character or are way more drawn to females in fgs? How about the opposite? I don't really care what sex the char is myself but I feel like a lot of people stick to one gender ie I think max said he prefers to play male characters.
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I noticed I tend to either pick girl characters or black men. Not really sure why but that's how it seems to go.
 
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Tripon

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I was a Chun Li main back in my ST days. Ibuki for 3S, Sakura for Alpha, but I think Ken is my main in Ultra. I played Peach in Melee and Brawl, and switched to Ike and Lucina in Smash 4. In KoF, I always had Kensou on my team with Yuri and Kyo.
 
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alstein

Member
UltraClarity said:
GG has always been Otaku bait. Because you know, they are trying to appeal to their audience. That applies to all the characters.
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GG to me was supposed to appeal to 90s anime fans, BB more to modern anime fans.

It does kinda make sense that the new GG chars appeal to modern anime fans, even if it kinda turns off the 90s fans.

I'll admit I'm ok with anime tropes, but not modern anime tropes. I like my anime more old school.
 
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Crocodile

Member
call_kotaku said:
I thought otaku weren't into girls with generous proportions? I'm not too familiar with the popular tropes these days, usually in anime I just see the same teenager with a different hairstyle and I turn it off at the first panty shot.

Anime is such garbage
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Literally all "otaku" means someone who is especially enthusiastic or devoted to something. Like one would be a train otaku if they were really into model trains or knew and cared a lot about real trains (or both). Its similar to how the English word "fan" is derived from "fanatic". Most conversations here and on GAF focus on the interpretation of the word as someone who is specifically into animated/drawn Japanese entertainment media to the point that it becomes a part of their identity and negatively defines them. It doesn't really inform us as to what an indivudal might actually like, just that they are way into that shit :p
 
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Parallax Scroll

Banned
marlinpie and his flower shop

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Shackzam

Member
petghost said:
How many people in this thread have never Mained a male character or are way more drawn to females in fgs? How about the opposite? I don't really care what sex the char is myself but I feel like a lot of people stick to one gender ie I think max said he prefers to play male characters.
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I'm usually drawn more to the playstyle then the actual character, which is a rush down, combo heavy character with some all right footsies. Basically Dudley and most of the characters with this design are usually guys from what I've experienced. Guilty gear xrd was the only game were I mained a female which was Millia because she seemed like the closest character in the cast to that rush down playstyle that I liked playing.
 
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IntelliHeath

As in "Heathcliff"
Here is a question for people who have experiences with it.

Do anyone know any good stream device that I could use for recording my matches?
 
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DryEyeRelief

Member
Dahbomb said:
Breh... that character is otaku bait.

Cool mechanics/playstyle... but definitely otaku bait.

If you need to be explained how it's an otaku bait then either you need to watch more anime or you are probably an otaku yourself.
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She isn't any less shameless than Juri and people love that character, for some reason.
 
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Dahbomb

Member
Village said:
Speaking mvc3 archives

Odd question fgw gaf

Could i possibly find the threads from announcement to the release of mvc3 and uvc3? I'm interested to see what the reaction was
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I don't remember much from the MVC3 thread because there were many of them and there was no focus.

The UMVC3 thread however was one of the most legendary threads of all tim on GAF. Not the reveal itself but the speculation thread with the Lupinko riddles leading up to it. The reveal thread was crazy as well because all the characters were leaked ahead of time.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=436226&page=1

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=437950
 
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Village

Member
Dahbomb said:
I don't remember much from the MVC3 thread because there were many of them and there was no focus.

The UMVC3 thread however was one of the most legendary threads of all tim on GAF. Not the reveal itself but the speculation thread with the Lupinko riddles leading up to it. The reveal thread was crazy as well because all the characters were leaked ahead of time.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=436226&page=1

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=437950
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Thank you , i'm interested and would be grateful someone could possibly find some of those crazy mvc3 threads
 
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VanillaCakeIsBurning

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Crocodile said:
Literally all "otaku" means someone who is especially enthusiastic or devoted to something. Like one would be a train otaku if they were really into model trains or knew and cared a lot about real trains (or both). Its similar to how the English word "fan" is derived from "fanatic". Most conversations here and on GAF focus on the interpretation of the word as someone who is specifically into animated/drawn Japanese entertainment media to the point that it becomes a part of their identity and negatively defines them. It doesn't really inform us as to what an indivudal might actually like, just that they are way into that shit :p
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The ironic part about this is that many of the things that people label as "otaku bait" fall under a sort of venn diagram of likes. Things like cleavage, violence or "fan service" for example appeal to a much much larger global group than a niche group of stereo-typically overweight and socially awkward Japanese men who spend exorbitant amounts of money on overpriced anime bluray disks and merchandising. Categorizing something as good or bad based on whether a particular group of individuals will like it or not is inferior to analyzing something based on its own merits.

If you asked someone who self identifies as an otaku, you'd probably find quite a few things that you share in common with them in terms of what you like in media or physical and/or personal qualities in characters that they enjoy. At that point do you then categorize all those commonalities as negative because they're shared with a group that you find distasteful for [insert reason here]? I mean we have a post on the last page that uses a closeup gif of Jack-O's behind as a reason for her being "otaku bait". If that's true then a significant portion of the planet's human population could be categorized as "otakus" for that reason. Anime bluray sales in Japan should be significantly higher than they currently are that being the case.
 
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jerry1594

Member
VanillaCakeIsBurning said:
The ironic part about this is that many of the things that people label as "otaku bait" fall under a sort of venn diagram of likes. Things like cleavage, violence or "fan service" for example appeal to a much much larger global group than a niche group of stereo-typically overweight and socially awkward Japanese men who spend exorbitant amounts of money on overpriced anime bluray disks and merchandising.
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Otakus in japan aren't stereotypically overweight man. Not every country is america.

Synopsis of the Kuroda article :/
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/comment/10255250/#Comment_10255250
 
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Azure J

Member
Dahbomb said:
I don't remember much from the MVC3 thread because there were many of them and there was no focus.

The UMVC3 thread however was one of the most legendary threads of all tim on GAF. Not the reveal itself but the speculation thread with the Lupinko riddles leading up to it. The reveal thread was crazy as well because all the characters were leaked ahead of time.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=436226&page=1

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=437950
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My favorite memory is how Enzo, the resident conductor of the GAF hype for both Marvel 3 and UMVC3 got banned before the release of both games for a week/two weeks. :lol

Clockw0rk said:
we did it!
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I seriously need to go watch this archive. I missed so many moments in a few tournaments that happened this weekend.
 
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IntelliHeath

As in "Heathcliff"
Dahbomb said:
I don't remember much from the MVC3 thread because there were many of them and there was no focus.

The UMVC3 thread however was one of the most legendary threads of all tim on GAF. Not the reveal itself but the speculation thread with the Lupinko riddles leading up to it. The reveal thread was crazy as well because all the characters were leaked ahead of time.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=436226&page=1

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=437950
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I remembered those few mvc3 threads only because we were thrilled that we are getting Marvel Vs. Capcom 3.

For UMVC3, Lupinko's riddles were memorable because of few reasons. It was fun trying to crack the riddles and it was just crazy and hype. I will never forget the backlashes that Lupinko got after the characters got leaked.

Horseress said:
This thread made me join NeoGAF! Oh man the feels ;_;
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Those days were amazing. I'm glad that I spend most of times with MarvelGAF and FightingGAF.

Also this thead (and other few threads) is the reason why I joined NeoGAF.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914

Azure J said:
My favorite memory is how Enzo, the resident conductor of the GAF hype for both Marvel 3 and UMVC3 got banned before the release of both games for a week/two weeks. :lol
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:lol I was surprised that he managed to get himself banned during those times. I specifically remembered that he got banned for scans.

Parallax Scroll said:
Best part of the lead up to umvc3 was when all the characters got leaked.
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Yeah, they definitely make sure to make us waiting for so long time to see Rocket Raccoon, Frank West and Phoenix Wright.
 
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Thomasorus

Member
Crocodile said:
But we weren't talking about butt shots - or at least it wasn't obvious to me. If butt shots are the criteria for "otaku bait" then that's like a REALLY wide brush we are painting with. You're going to hit a wide range of personalities and art styles to say nothing of a lot of clearly non-Japanese media too. Though in general I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at how words like "otaku-bait" and "pandering" obfuscate conversations because all it really means is "thing I don't like". Like saying she was a missed opportunity to play into some grim horror tropes or you don't need her butt in your face are both valid points/critiques. However there was no way I could know you meant butt shots by "otaku bait" unless I'm you or can read your mind through the internet :p
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Crocodile said:
I'm speaking of the context of when people complain "XYZ is pandering!". Technically, pretty much everything that is not some crucial gameplay element in a game is "pandering" as far as I see it. Its just people only complain when a specific element made to appeal to a specific group of people runs contrary to their personal tastes. Which in itself isn't a problem. However, when people don't elaborate and leave the level of discourse at that level (or "bait" or "anime" or whatever), it become really hard to understand what they actually mean and what they are actually critiquing since such terms are SO broad. Occasionally its obvious but many many times (i.e. right now) its not. All I'm asking for is clarity in discussion :p
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The problem (for me) is more related to the "already chewed up" result that characters heavily influenced by tropes are falling in. It's not about the butt or the sexy poses (that's fan service, I-no is doing the same, why not?), it's about small details that will instantly gives you hints at how characters will be acting in the game. Part of what made GG a very interesting game casting wise is how many tropes were difformed to create something fresh that you can feel attracted to but can't "get it" instantly.

This way of doing characters is "dangerous" as you have to trust your audience to understand that there's more than just bizarre or hard to grasp in the characters you put in the game. Xrd decided to remove this way of doing things and pander to the most understandable and classical things you can find in tv/anime tropes. For example, Sol went from a lonely harsh guy that barely talked (most of his lines were 'fuck off'), had an unknown past to a "did you see how an awesome bounty hunter I am? Where's my prize Ky? Oh but I'm also the benevolent father figure with a complicated past". This way Sol became the kind of watered "anti-hero but hero after all" character the series didn't have as it was not needed as the game operated differently.

Now if we go back to Jack'O you can understand where I'm going. Even if Ishiwatari overdid it again with useless details, I kinda like the character design and the way she moves. Her animations are actually giving a lot of good info on her personnality and how it contrasts with the mask and boulder. The clown archetype felt balanced and original this way but in the end they probably thought it was too complicated to chew/sell and went for the cute face, childish woman personnality instead of letting us wondering who and how she was under the mask.

That's basically why I'm not that fan of Xrd new characters and how they turned some old characters. But I'm still waiting for Revelator as the game seems to improve a lot on the gameplay and systems... And I want to try her anyway. :)

alstein said:
GG to me was supposed to appeal to 90s anime fans, BB more to modern anime fans.

It does kinda make sense that the new GG chars appeal to modern anime fans, even if it kinda turns off the 90s fans.

I'll admit I'm ok with anime tropes, but not modern anime tropes. I like my anime more old school.
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Same here. Anime/Manga tropes are ok but you have to build something upon it, not depend on it to build a character. It should be "I created this character that happens to match with this trope" insted of "I need this trope in a character, what can I add to it to make it a bit original?".
 
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jerry1594

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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";166768919]I started competing in fighting games because of Kuroda :-(

edit: that thread is crazy, so much secret super tech in 3s :-o[/QUOTE]
Watching Kuroda is very educational. He just knows exactly what to do in so many situations. Not his ibuki though , he plays her weird.
 
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enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Thores said:
-Killer Instinct Season 3 is incredibly likely. There's no explicit hint it'll be revealed at E3 instead of EVO or something, and it might be too early for IG to have anything since they're still wrapping up S2, but it's definitely coming.
-Lucas is being released for SSB4 on Nintendo Direct Day. The Direct will probably follow up with a new DLC character announcement. Rumors point toward Roy (Fire Emblem) and/or Ryu (Street Fighter).
-Rivals of Aether is releasing a new trailer revealing its 5th and 6th characters in the middle of June. As an Xbox One (and PC) exclusive indie game, it might get featured by Microsoft at E3 in some capacity.
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Thanks, this is helpful.
 
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IntelliHeath

As in "Heathcliff"
Thores said:
-Killer Instinct Season 3 is incredibly likely. There's no explicit hint it'll be revealed at E3 instead of EVO or something, and it might be too early for IG to have anything since they're still wrapping up S2, but it's definitely coming.
-Lucas is being released for SSB4 on Nintendo Direct Day. The Direct will probably follow up with a new DLC character announcement. Rumors point toward Roy (Fire Emblem) and/or Ryu (Street Fighter).
-Rivals of Aether is releasing a new trailer revealing its 5th and 6th characters in the middle of June. As an Xbox One (and PC) exclusive indie game, it might get featured by Microsoft at E3 in some capacity.
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Sorry but I really want to point out an error. Lucas is going to be released two days before Nintendo Direct Day.

Lucas' release date - June 14
Nintendo Direct Day - June 16.

I'm more hyped for SFV and Smash Bros. Anything else is just bonus! :D
 
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