He looks like Marn in that picture.
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Fighting Games Weekly | May 18-24 | Forget it Jake, it's Capcom Town
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He looks like Marn in that picture.
Thomasorus
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『Inaba Resident』;164319260 said:
I really like MKX but I'm surprised how it seems strangely done on the coding side. Like why would you put the frame data by hand when you could just write a function that reads your character frame data files and display them without any error? Even if that was complicated to do, all other games (some from small companies) are able to do it so...? Maybe there's a benefit to do it this way that I can't think of?
Anyway if all the game is revolving around strange coding/design decisions like the frame data thing, it's not surprising the network side has problems. Is NRS using a middleware from a third party company or coding their own?
To my understanding, the frame data for moves is not explicitly defined as such in most games. From the games I've seen taken apart, the game stores the animation and hitbox data for the moves, and the frame data is just a natural consequence of that. That's why I suspect most games that have frame data displays (VF5:FS, DoA5, Skullgirls, etc.) only show it on the fly.
There's also another reason why to calculate the frame data on the fly: it'll be correct in dynamic situations, so it'll show the adjusted data for things like meaties and jump-in attacks.
Kumu is pretty right on how frame data is usually a thing. It's something I've seen a ton where backroom files are passed around trying to get resources built up.
Also, about Japan holding tournament games, those games are still dead as shit in Japan, they just have machines around and the players will sometimes be like"let's have a fun tournament." In a few cases some old games survive a bit in the since they get play nights, I watch Project Justice ones a lot on Kohatsu, but they're "dead" in the sense nobody new is playing, and there won't be anything serious or competitive really. Now, some games do survive longer that is for sure, and you can play almost anything, but that doesn't mean stuff is magically alive lol
A game isn't dead when people stop playing it, it's dead when competition stops developing and moving and being meaningful. In the case of something like Marvel it's not like that yet, but it's slowed down to about where you'd expect.
Also, about Japan holding tournament games, those games are still dead as shit in Japan, they just have machines around and the players will sometimes be like"let's have a fun tournament." In a few cases some old games survive a bit in the since they get play nights, I watch Project Justice ones a lot on Kohatsu, but they're "dead" in the sense nobody new is playing, and there won't be anything serious or competitive really. Now, some games do survive longer that is for sure, and you can play almost anything, but that doesn't mean stuff is magically alive lol
A game isn't dead when people stop playing it, it's dead when competition stops developing and moving and being meaningful. In the case of something like Marvel it's not like that yet, but it's slowed down to about where you'd expect.
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sixteen-bit
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I hope the PS4 port of SF4 is good cuz apparently they're running it @ evo? (which is news to me)
CEO is running the PS4 version as well. I think Combo breaker is as well.
I said Gaaaaaaaht Daaaaaaaaamn!
It's 360 at Combo Breaker. The PS4 version won't even be out yet when Combo Breaker starts.
Well marvel is dying but I wouldn't say EVERYTHING has already been figured out. There are other characters that people barely play like RR, Chun-li, Thor, etc. that still have a lot of tech left in them that people are still discovering today. Plus one touch death combos with them too.
Eh, not every game needs to explored. Eventually, I hope Capcom makes another VS type game, even if its just contains Capcom characters with no other licensee, but its okay to not explore every minute detail of a game.
At this stage I wonder if they'll be anything more than nice gimmicks. The top are just too good and solid.
Did they confirm that?
sixteen-bit
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lmao.
If we can get a 14 year old smash bros game at the same Evo its successor debuts at, there's no way in heck SF4's last evo is 2015.
I'm hoping for the same too, I doubt Ono is working on only one project and developers always have something under the hood being cooked up. Hopefully a potential successor to the versus series hasn't been cancelled on their end and they are working hard on making one ;_;
Yeah, Wong, Champ, Chris are the gods.
Slayers are Full Schedule, Cloud805 and Rayray. Those six have a very strong chance of making it into Top 8 again this year if everything/seeding works in their favor. I would include Flocker and PR Rog but they haven't done all too well in Marvel recently or haven't just appeared on stream.
Forget it Yams, it's Street Fighter Town
Chun Li sucks and will always suck.
KidA Seven
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SF4 will be at EVO 2016 and depending on the numbers, it could be out of EVO by 2017. It will definitely be in EVO 2016 because EVO announces their line up very early and SFV won't be out yet.
A lot of people hating in that Yahoo article.
A lot of people hating in that Yahoo article.
but guitar infinites
Most sensible people are very aware of it, especially after SFxT. Still, considering it's the direct sequel to the juggernaut and bread bringer of the FGC, it's a good idea to plan for it having a major place
Parallax Scroll
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Justin looks so tiny in that Evo 2011 pic.
I think their excuse is that people buy the game anyway.
As it is, it looks terrible. I have no hope unless it somehow blows me away gameplay wise.
Nope, to me it looks very promising so far.
SFxT came out when SF4 was already there and established... it was also too similar to SF4 and look/feel. Capcom wasn't pushing SFxT to replace SF4 whereas now Capcom and Sony will be pushing for SFV to replace SF4 and be the forefront of major FGC events.
Watch when the big prize pots are announced for SFV and people start reducing SF4 practice time to invest in SFV.
I agree, but "Competitively" the game is figured out.
There may be alot of creative tech left in the game but those wont win tournaments for you.
I'm more concerned about having PS4 Ultra being a thing at events before it's announced. In all reality it should be a fine and maybe even smoother version, but an update caused the current one to randomly cause consoles to explode so I'm kind of curious what we do if the PS4 version starts turning machines into terminators.
Karsticles
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Maybe I'm crazy, but I tend to think Ed Boon is a lot like Ono. They actually love the games they make, and love what they do. It's more than just a product to them, it's a creative endeavor. I would actually love to hear Boon comment on this situation.
Nah, I don't think there's been an outright bad SF yet.
And SFxT is awesome...sooo... No, no worries.
Thomasorus
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That's very interesting, thanks for the explanation. As for how it's done I may be wrong but I remember mike live coding SG and he had the characters' files with variables named quite explicitly: hitstun, blockstun, etc... He may be an exception.
Also maybe they only show it on the fly because... It's more practical to use the move and have the info than reading a list? Besides, you could probably simulate the move being read and then show the result in a menu if you wanted?
I meant likeness-wise. People HATED vanilla Sfxt, and didn't gave it a new chance after the v2013 update.
I don't see how people can say SF V looks bad. I personally think it looks great so far (maybe a bit slow) but it's hard to tell when so much of the footage is unfinished and unpolished.
I like that they finally realize that animation can make a fighting game look more "real." I think SF IV has a very cartoony and plastic like look so I'm glad they are still keeping the color and Capcom style while making it a touch more gritty.
The game play looks great too, it looks like it really plays off of mind games and out footsing your opponent. Either way I'm mega hyped for it, SF IV has grown a little stale for me these days. I'll get back on the steed when it comes out on PS4 but I really want to explore a new Capcom fighting game, it's been too long now.
Also, please give me R. Mika Capcom....please!
I like that they finally realize that animation can make a fighting game look more "real." I think SF IV has a very cartoony and plastic like look so I'm glad they are still keeping the color and Capcom style while making it a touch more gritty.
The game play looks great too, it looks like it really plays off of mind games and out footsing your opponent. Either way I'm mega hyped for it, SF IV has grown a little stale for me these days. I'll get back on the steed when it comes out on PS4 but I really want to explore a new Capcom fighting game, it's been too long now.
Also, please give me R. Mika Capcom....please!
Let's just pretend previous versions of the ones we like don't exist and maybe this works.
I stand by my statement as I said it. Newer versions came out and may have made the older ones seem bad by comparison, but I don't believe any SF released yet is bad.
Nintendo wishes its Smash sequels could have the same (relatively) non-resistant transition that Capcom will have with USF4 to SFV. Rofl. Melee ain't going away anytime soon unless it's done by coercion from tournaments or the company itself. And why should they when majors still boast impressive numbers?
Like I said it's a different situation to SFV. SFxT was always viewed as a side game to SF4 especially for dedicated SF players. If SFxT ended up being bad, that's cool they had SF4.
With SFV it's different. Players are going to keep playing the game for a long while before they deem it truly shit. During that time Capcom can easily make changes along the way. In addition, you have to realize that SFV will have a beta which will definitely pick up on these problems sooner rather than later. SFxT had no real beta, it had Cross Assault which was another thing it had going against it.
Many people are just waiting for SFV to drop SF4. Tokido has said this on more than one occasion... some players are just getting tired of SF4 and want SFV already. They are ready to make the jump.
Think of it like going from MVC2 to TvC vs going to MVC3 and it will make more sense. People want an iterative upgrade, not a sidegrade.
The game is not even close to be released and there's already people saying "it looks like shit", imagine if it launches and....it is shit! I agree that it's not the same thing, since SFV is a whole new SF, but still, a first bad impressions can ruin a game. I don't think it's going to happen tho, and people will indeed give it a lot more chances then they gave sfxt, since, again, it's a whole new SF
And thank god for this beta they are planning to launch! This gives me the most hopes on a good/amazing netcode and a great game in general.
I know... I forget everyone here is sponsored by Capcom.
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She sucks cause of her damage output and wakeup options but people can make her work.
MKX being the main game?
Parallax Scroll
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I think ECT already announced MKX as the main game. Unless I'm getting my tournaments mixed up.
I hope this is the first of many. He puts on a great stream. I also hope he has a bunch of guys watching his stuff at all times. Theft is so high right now, and everyone knows he has invested tons of money and his equipment.
Lots of people said SF4 looked like shit prior to release and that didn't seem to affect its lasting popularity. I can confidently say every fighting game has a healthy contingent of people who call it shit before it is even released. This seems to be the only genre where it's common to see fans extol literally one specific version of one specific fighting game as worthy of being played while every other game in the genre is hot, putrid garbage.
If V is shit, it's shit but right now that claim means nothing.
I don't think I'll ever like an Mortal Kombat game again. I'm sorry but I've tried to get into MK again and again but I just hate Netherrealm fighting games (although I did like Injustice a bit). They're just so cheesy and silly to me, it goes beyond the fighting game as a core, the menus, everything. I don't think it's necessarily a bad game, it just doesn't resonate with me at all.
Street Fighter is always a monumental fighter to me. Every time a new one is released, the epicness and hype are always huge.
Street Fighter is always a monumental fighter to me. Every time a new one is released, the epicness and hype are always huge.
Where is it being held again? Might sign up for it.
Why not just top 8? It might take a little too long then.
I guess that's why SFV have a beta, that and pre-orders.
Speaking of which, beta code as a pre-order bonus is the only pre-order bonus I wont mind, you just get to play early for paying early and it takes nothing from the final game. Watch Capcom ruin it with pre-order costumes and/or colors though.