Fighting Games Weekly | Sept 23-29 | Beauty and the Beast

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Week of September 23rd to the 29th, 2013.

Fighting Games Weekly is the weekly discussion thread for all things fighting games. News, events, streams, videos, players, drama, everything fighting game related.

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Canada Cup 2013 [ Thread ] [ Friday ]
Battlegrounds 3.0 [ Saturday ] [ 12:30PM MDT | 2:30PM EDT | 11:30AM PDT ]
The Art of Fighting [ Thread ] [ Saturday ] [ 2PM MDT | 4PM EDT | 1PM PDT ]


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Ultimate Fight Night [ 9PM EDT | 6PM PDT ]
  • Bi-weekly featuring around 5 exhibition matches in AE, with a main event usually featuring top players.
Marvel Mondays [ 10PM EDT | 7PM PDT ]
  • Out of the ashes of The BOX Arena, comes the San Diego FGC's newest organized weekly for UMvC3.
UltraChenTV: First Attack & Lv3 Focus [ 11PM EDT | 8PM PDT ]
  • Weekly FGC show dedicated to match analysis, teaching, commentary, news, debates, and more! Hosted by UltraDavid and James Chen.


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Kachitagari TV (JP) [ 9PM JST | 8AM EDT | 5AM PDT ]
  • Bon-chan, Kazunoko and Fuudo's new show, focusing primarily on SSFIV AE ranked matches but is branching off into other games as well.
NYC VF [ 8PM EDT | 5PM PDT ]
  • NYC VF crew presents VF5:FS tournaments casuals out of The Next Level arcade in Brooklyn.
The Break Weekly [ 8PM EDT | 5PM PDT ]
  • New Jersey's largest weekly featuring UMvC3 and Injustice.
WakeUp SRK Live [ 9:30PM EDT | 6:30 PDT ]
  • Keits and skisonic host the weekly official podcast of Shoryuken.com. [ON HIATUS]
The On Blast Show [ 10PM EDT | 7PM PDT ]
  • JamessMK & DarKNaTaS host a raw and uncut weekly talk show discussing events in the FGC with various FGC personalities.
UltraChenTV: The Tuesday Show [ 11PM EDT | 8PM PDT ]
  • Weekly FGC show dedicated to match analysis, teaching, commentary, news, debates, and more! Hosted by UltraDavid and James Chen.
When's Marvel Weekly [ 11PM EDT | 8PM PDT ]
  • FChamp and the FGTV Live crew host weekly Marvel sessions and hijinks. [ON HIATUS]
Cross Counter LIVE [ 12AM EDT (following day) | 9PM PDT ]
  • Cross Counter LIVE returns with the help of VxG. Cross Counter LIVE is a weekly talk show hosted by Gootecks and Mike Ross, who discuss hot button topics in the fighting game community.
The Show That Sucks [ 1AM EDT (following day) | 10PM PDT ]
  • iPlaywinner hosts a weekly talk show featuring alpha stream monsters Harrison and Honzo Gonzo.


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Game Spot Versus KoF Casuals (JP) [ 7PM JST | 6AM EDT | 3AM PDT ]
  • KoF 1998UM, KoF 2002UM and KoF XIII C action from Japan.
TOPANGA TV (JP) [ 9PM JST | 8AM EDT | 5AM PDT ]
  • Description needed.
Next Level Battle Circuit [ 8PM EDT | 4PM PDT ]
  • NYC's biggest weekly at The Next Level Arcade in Brooklyn featuring SSFIV AE, UMvC3 and TTT2. If the Teamsp00ky link is not working, it is likely on the backup stream on Arturo's channel.
Melee It On Me [ 9PM EDT | 6PM PDT ]
  • A bi-weekly Smash podcast discussing recent events, news and issues in the Smash community, hosted by Scar, Prog, Cactuar and Sheridan.
Wednesday Night Fights [ 12AM EDT (following day) | 9PM PDT ]


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Valley Stream Monsters Thursday Night Casuals [ 8PM EDT | 5PM PDT ]
  • Kombat Network presents a weekly offering stream monsters a chance to get on the streams themselves.
Stream Monster Online Tournament [ 8:30 EDT | 5:30 PDT ]
  • Weekly 16-player UMvC3 online tournament run by FGTV and sponsored by eightarc.
FNC The Arena [ 10PM EDT | 7PM PDT ]
  • UMvC3 weekly out of Long Island, New York, which sometimes features other games.
Salty Cupcakes [ 10PM EDT | 7PM PDT ]
The Fray [ 10PM EDT | 7PM PDT ]
  • A weekly FGC talk show hosted by iPlaywinner, featuring a varying, ensemble cast of prominent members of the fighting game community.
ATP LIVE! [ 11PM EDT | 8PM PDT ]
  • Aris' new weekly show, discussing whatever he wants to! The format resembles old ATP podcasts.
The Runback Season 4 [ 12AM EDT (following day) | 9PM PDT ]


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KaoTV! (JP) [ 11PM JST | 10AM EDT | 7AM PDT ]
Fraud-Free Fridays [ 9PM EDT | 6PM PDT ]
  • Weekly tournament run at the FGTV house. Don't forget about the second FGTV stream as well which compliments the main one. [ON HIATUS]


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None at the moment.​


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GGPO VanBats [ 4PM EDT | 1PM PDT ]
  • Weekly GGPO Vampire Savior ranbats streamed by GAFer Rotanibor.
Super Smash Sundays [ 4PM EDT | 1PM PDT ]
  • Level|Up and Team OXY partner up to create a new weekly for the SoCal Melee community, featuring doubles and singles.



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On GAF we have various members that stream fighting games from time to time too:
Additionally, if you want to really get involved, you may want to check out the various OTs for specific games:
GAF isn't the only FG community in town though. Here are a whole bunch of other FG communities across the internet that may be of interest:
  • 8WayRun - Soul Calibur franchise community
  • DOACentral - Dead or Alive franchise community
  • Dream Cancel - King of Fighters franchise community and resource, more US-centric
  • Dustloop - Forums/community for Arc System Works-developed games
  • Eventhubs - Frequently updated news blog, resource and forums for all things fighting games
  • FreeStepDodge - Dead or Alive franchise community
  • Homing Cancel - Arcana Heart community
  • iPlaywinner - Large fighting game news site and resource, and the home to Teamsp00ky and iPlaywinner
  • Jet Upper - UK-centric news source and community
  • Mayonaka Midnight - Persona 4 Arena community and resource
  • Melty Bread - Melty Blood community
  • Mizuumi - A resource for various "poverty" games
  • Orochinagi - King of Fighters franchise community and resource, more EU-centric
  • Reddit Fighters - Reddit's own fighting game community subreddit
  • Shoryuken - Mainly 2D, Capcom game centric hub, and probably one of, if not the largest FG community on the internet
  • Skullheart - fan Skullgirls community and resource made official
  • TekkenZaibatsu - Tekken franchise community
  • Test Your Might - Mortal Kombat and Injustice community and resource
  • UKFGC - UK-centric news source and community
  • Smash Boards - The largest Smash Bros. Community™
  • VFDC - Virtua Fighter franchise community site

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If you have any suggestions for the OP, please do not hesitate to post in this thread or PM me to let me know.
 
ChrisG dominating that Cody player for 100 dollars.

Ez moneys, ez game, ez lyfe.

And why doesn't ChrisG use Ultra 1? It seems to do more damage than that air fireball he does.
 
Chin needs to get on that pizza and glowstick diet to be on Chris G's level.

Smedwicks said:
How come all of these majors are happening when I work both days of the weekend? ;_;
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I know that feel. I thought I was gonna sit back these last few days and enjoy some Japanese AE and GTAV this week but I've been pretty much shut down by some sudden deadlines popping up. Pretty much going to be missing out on every event in the next 7 days too :(
 
Dahbomb said:
ChrisG dominating that Cody player for 100 dollars.

Ez moneys, ez game, ez lyfe.

And why doesn't ChrisG use Ultra 1? It seems to do more damage than that air fireball he does.
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Ultra 1's utility is shit. Better to pick Ultra 2, a lot more situations to execute it.
 
Dahbomb said:
ChrisG dominating that Cody player for 100 dollars.

Ez moneys, ez game, ez lyfe.

And why doesn't ChrisG use Ultra 1? It seems to do more damage than that air fireball he does.
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Far more versatile. It's like metsu shoryuken vs metsu hadouken, only makes sense in certain matchups.
 
i only went on sunday but the best/most entertaining part of TGS by far was blazblue and madcatz booth.

the arcsys booth in general was only good because of blaz. Why they didnt bring anything else is kind of silly considering they have a lineup of 3 killer apps coming but whatever. all the other shit they brought was bullshit like those dating sims vita games etc.

literally nothing else in the event held my interest. the shops sold out of the very few good things by sunday and japan in general seems obsessed with smartphone bullshit

the fact that madcatz stole the show with a 5 year old game is something to say about TGS

no Kingdomhearts 3 stuff either :/

i played killer instinct for about 2 hours. game is fun i guess its just doublehelix has its hands tied with a lot of issues. they want to make a complete game and they are committed to their game but microsoft is tying their hands with the time window and a few other issues, unfortunately. i just hope the game gets a fair shake (even though i know it wont). glacius and jago are OD. im calling it now glacius v sabrewolf is like...7-3 matchup
 
Dahbomb said:
ChrisG dominating that Cody player for 100 dollars.

Ez moneys, ez game, ez lyfe.

And why doesn't ChrisG use Ultra 1? It seems to do more damage than that air fireball he does.
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Yea, it's far more versatile, especially as a combo ender (easier to land after a combo). The other ultra is pretty much an anti fireball one. like stated earlier, it's just used in certain matchups, thats all.

Can't wait for the tgs finals to be put up on youtube. Twitch archives/viewing is ass tier
 
Injustice patch notes coming in a few days. Get hype. Looking forward to getting back into that game again. I just hope the online warriors have leveled up.

Jazz-ism said:
i just hope the game gets a fair shake (even though i know it wont). glacius and jago are OD
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Not Capcom, so people will shit on it. Looks like a shitty spectator game too.

I do hope it does end up getting a fair shake though.

cHaotix8 said:
Walkspeed aside, Makoto is the fastest character in the game. She has all the tools she needs to deal with this matchup (focus punish, good anti air, good pokes to keep people from walking/dashing up, good backdash to escape pressure, can't go for divekick mixup because of fukiage, good damage). Wheras a character like Cody can't even dream to escape her pressure when she's on him unless he guesses right on a throw. His backdash and backwards walkspeed sucks, she's harder for him to anti air, and Bingo is too slow to escape pressure that isn't tick > throw, If he gets knocked down he HAS to deal with the dive kick/short/empty jump mixup and that matchup is still only 6-4. Makoto has it a lot better than some other characters in this matchup.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Cammy isn't good. But I do think she's heavily overrated. She's such a linear character that it isn't too hard to see what she's going for. The characters that can't anti air her or escape her pressure are fucked, but if you can do either of those two you have a fighting chance.
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Makoto is the fastest character in the game, but like a lot of things with her it's a double-edged sword because she has to commit more than any other character just to move. Even moving forward with f.mp or f.lk is somewhat risky because if they jump at the right time you can eat a jump in because you haven't recovered yet. 7-3 for Cammy might be a bit of a stretch, but Cammy has all the tools to make things rough for Makoto. Makoto's cr.mp is good with dealing with Cammy from midrange, but you have to worry about that getting blown up by ex divekick. At certain ranges Makoto does have better antiair options against Cammy than a lot of other characters, but because of Cammy's godly walkspeed it's not hard for her to get in a range where it's hard for Makoto to deal with her approach. Cammy not getting her standard divekick shenanigans off of hk spiral arrow doesn't matter a whole lot since Makoto still gets fucked up by her close range frame trap/throw/divekick game. Makoto can't run some of her standard setups on Cammy either because Cammy is one of those characters who wakes up a frame or 2 slower than the rest of the cast.

Granted, a lot of this is just theorycrafting on my part since it's been a while since I've played an actually-good Cammy and when I do play AE these days, which isn't a lot, I usually don't play Makoto. Buuuut I have a pretty hard time believing that the match is 5-5.

I agree that Makoto wasn't anywhere near as bad as people made her out to be in Super, though. She wasn't good, but she wasn't, like, I'm-embarassed-that-I-lost-to-this-character tier like some people acted either. She was low-mid or so in that game, maybe. People kind of overstated how weak she was becaus the only other version of that character they had to compare to was crazy strong. Super Makoto wasn't bottom 5, but she was a joke compared to 3S Makoto.
 
Lost Fragment said:
Injustice patch notes coming in a few days. Get hype. Looking forward to getting back into that game again. I just hope the online warriors have leveled up.



Not Capcom, so people will shit on it. Looks like a shitty spectator game too.

I do hope it does end up getting a fair shake though.



Makoto is the fastest character in the game, but like a lot of things with her it's a double-edged sword because she has to commit more than any other character just to move. Even moving forward with f.mp or f.lk is somewhat risky because if they jump at the right time you can eat a jump in because you haven't recovered yet. 7-3 for Cammy might be a bit of a stretch, but Cammy has all the tools to make things rough for Makoto. Makoto's cr.mp is good with dealing with Cammy from midrange, but you have to worry about that getting blown up by ex divekick. At certain ranges Makoto does have better antiair options against Cammy than a lot of other characters, but because of Cammy's godly walkspeed it's not hard for her to get in a range where it's hard for Makoto to deal with her approach. Cammy not getting her standard divekick shenanigans off of hk spiral arrow doesn't matter a whole lot since Makoto still gets fucked up by her close range frame trap/throw/divekick game.

Granted, a lot of this is just theorycrafting on my part since it's been a while since I've played an actually-good Cammy and when I do play AE these days, which isn't a lot, I usually don't play Makoto. Buuuut I have a pretty hard time believing that the match is 5-5.

I agree that Makoto wasn't anywhere near as bad as people made her out to be in Super, though. She wasn't good, but she wasn't, like, I'm-embarassed-that-I-lost-to-this-character tier like some people acted either. She was low-mid or so in that game, maybe. People kind of overstated how weak she was becaus the only other version of that character they had to compare to was crazy strong. Super Makoto wasn't bottom 5, but she was a joke compared to 3S Makoto.
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at least vs cammy, you can do the haitani special (mash ultra 1 b/w 1 frame links lol, that was great). Makoto is the character I've always wanted to learn when I picked up sf4 late, but knew that I wouldn't be good w/ her at the beginning so I didn't. Now that I know how to play I'll be picking her up again.

I would definitely put makoto in the top 10 in any iteration. Since she has an air special that changes her jump arc, she is better than half the cast. If unblockables were found in ssf4, she couldve been higher on the tier list.
 
irfaanator said:
at least vs cammy, you can do the haitani special (mash ultra 1 b/w 1 frame links lol, that was great). Makoto is the character I've always wanted to learn when I picked up sf4 late, but knew that I wouldn't be good w/ her at the beginning so I didn't. Now that I know how to play I'll be picking her up again.

I would definitely put makoto in the top 10 in any iteration. Since she has an air special that changes her jump arc, she is better than half the cast. If unblockables were found in ssf4, she couldve been higher on the tier list.
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I think Makoto is definitely top 10 on the on-paper tier list. Maybe top 5. If anyone was to ever master all her crazy crossup/unblockable axe kick setups and be able to pull them off 90% of the time then she would be fucking gross.

But on a practical tier list, she's probably just outside of top 10 imo.
 
Passive Assassin said:
supersantarouman :O
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It seems nobody noticed, but while Latif was in Japan he was apart of the Yubiken stream where he played some of their players and online randoms. He played a FT5 vs Supersantarouman. I expected Latif to blow him up, but it was actually a really amazing set. Arguably as good as the ones Haitani had against Mago and Juso. Check it out if you want to see more high level SF4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cioRvgd5G8&t=32m18s
 
Rice-Eater said:
It seems nobody noticed, but while Latif was in Japan he was apart of the Yubiken stream where he played some of their players and online randoms. He played a FT5 vs Supersantarouman. I expected Latif to blow him up, but it was actually a really amazing set. Arguably as good as the ones Haitani had against Mago and Juso. Check it out if you want to see more high level SF4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cioRvgd5G8&t=32m18s
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_cioRvgd5G8#t=2244

Pretty sick. Haven't seen that one before.
 
If you haven't seen it yet:
New Maj combo video featuring crazy ass combos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=853mvb5nmtk

2 HOURS OF FATE UNLIMITED/CODES!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZs0KPlbNmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCFExsurkKw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWJPOhUoiXI

2 HOURS OF GAROU!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAMdic058_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSer1I071Ns

2+ HOURS OF LAST BLADE 2!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRxWqX90vNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEyj9AZtnEE

6 HOURS OF GUNDAM: EXTREME VS. FULL BOOST!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bp2FjUi32U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXeToYHOrXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxlilCZv_rA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQhWnUa60cY

5+ HOURS OF GUILTY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF10E5K3l9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCVVYSxS0KA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7IsLFVvLdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O7Gs-Bpdpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a06ABRYPl-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZjBIFqiKUM

1 HOUR OF DODONPACHI MADNESS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4zjXHR51zo

ANOTHER HOUR OF BULLET HELL MADNESS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjExOtI-0Fc

2+ HOURS OF BLAZBLUE CP!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDnrI4XT2BM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dzFBr44ew

2+ HOURS OF CHAOS CODE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydDgH-bPGcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW7mKSHw0nc

AN EXTRA 2+ HOURS OF GUNDAM: EXTREME VS. FULL BOOST!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGNg0GmZ9PE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6JfHYgNy8M

STREET FIGHTER III 3S MATCHES!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp-l7jjrWLM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SCI3Hlc-v8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ta4xZj0UU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ttqIkCbzY

STREET FIGHTER X TEKKEN MATCHES!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SKXEc3IbtQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Sp_BQ1mAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD1OgUzusvM
 
The previous Canada Cup tournaments felt like big events but this one seems to have very little build up or hype.

Any word on what international players are attending?
 
why is namco being such buttheads about Gundam VS videos? the first few videos acho posted got torn down, but now they upload videos without audio?

quit rustlin my jimmies namco.
 
Jazz-ism said:
i only went on sunday but the best/most entertaining part of TGS by far was blazblue and madcatz booth.

the arcsys booth in general was only good because of blaz. Why they didnt bring anything else is kind of silly considering they have a lineup of 3 killer apps coming but whatever. all the other shit they brought was bullshit like those dating sims vita games etc.
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So what about BlazBlue sat well with you? They probably emphasized it because that will be the first of their new fighting game wave for consoles. Makes sense if you think about it.

Kokonoe looks beast btw.
 
BadWolf said:
The previous Canada Cup tournaments felt like big events but this one seems to have very little build up or hype.

Any word on what international players are attending?
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The website mentions Tokido, Mago, Fuudo, Bonchan, Kazunoko, Infiltration, Dakou, Xaiohai, Ricky and Justin for AE. Which is fair enough if they show up. No Xian which is even better.
 
SolarPowered said:
So what about BlazBlue sat well with you? They probably emphasized it because that will be the first of their new fighting game wave for consoles. Makes sense if you think about it.

Kokonoe looks beast btw.
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kokonoe is...interesting

kagura feels nice to me though. my issue with blaz is i have never found "my" character. kagura feels like he could be the one
 
Brobzoid said:
why is namco being such buttheads about Gundam VS videos? the first few videos acho posted got torn down, but now they upload videos without audio?

quit rustlin my jimmies namco.
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It's Namco doing that? Could of swore that it was Victor Entertainment making those youtube claims on the songs used in game.
 
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